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Ok all kiddn aside.. . Yes, Robs HT is beautifully done. And how well every thing is put in place. I still can't get that ATMOS demo out of my mind. I can't replicate it with my HT. No matter how much I try to convince myself I don't need ATMOS. Seems like I'm missing something in my setup now. Also all the room gain he has in the bass coming from the 215's. Lots off bass but very accurately controlled.. Nice..
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You of all people should know what a couple of good 15's can do. Now, think about six of them ...
Yep! 4 of em in my lowly system. Not sure I would make it into the cool kids club round here though. I would need to add at least 4-18's to my ONLY two Submersives lol.

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Phil Collins "In The Air Tonight"...first time hearing this song on the Jayterz tonight, a song that left an impression on me in the 80's on my cousin's 'high end' Blaupunkt car system back then. On thw Jayterz, the drums hit my chest tight and sounded just amazing....had goosebumps as I heard it three times and pushing the volume to +5.

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Don't put up such a front...we know you like Phil Collins...because Alice in Chains likes Phil Collins...Afterall, there must a reason AIC's "Down in a Hole" sounds like Phil C's "Another Day in Paradise" [emoji14]

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I freaking love doing Phil Collins demos! I bought a few of his. The vocal clarity, the whole package. Jack it up! Also I know it may sound cheese ball to some but Kenny G music sounds absolutely amazing on JTR's!

Also if you never had listened to the song "Sail" by Awolnation you are missing out on a great bass demo. Turn up the sub trim at least 6db, maybe 10-12db and let her rip! The raw power is smile inducing
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Yep! 4 of em in my lowly system. Not sure I would make it into the cool kids club round here though. I would need to add at least 4-18's to my ONLY two Submersives lol.





I freaking love doing Phil Collins demos! I bought a few of his. The vocal clarity, the whole package. Jack it up! Also I know it may sound cheese ball to some but Kenny G music sounds absolutely amazing on JTR's!

Also if you never had listened to the song "Sail" by Awolnation you are missing out on a great bass demo. Turn up the sub trim at least 6db, maybe 10-12db and let her rip! The raw power is smile inducing
Forgot about Sail...Need to play that...I first heard it on the flying man youtube video years ago...which I think made the song...sad that video is better than the official video.

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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????

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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????
Easy to test as up firing Front Height speakers using DTS Neo:X or Dolby Pro Logic IIz and, you wouldn't have to commit to Atmos first.

You should come over and hear Atmos for yourself. Try before you buy ...
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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????
Do slanted 212's on top of your 212's.
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Just sitting here wondering if a slanted 8 sitting on top of my 212HTs aimed at ceiling would work like an atmos speaker module I am thinking that the only thing that makes it an atmos up-firing module is the aiming degree/angle for sound reflection from the ceiling. Hmmmm????
I don't see why not...if reflective point on ceiling hits your mlp, it should work. The avr should set the proper delay.
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Hey guys, any of you have tried refinishing your JTR speakers ? Thinking of changing the look of one pair of my slanted 8's so I can have my wife approve the look and put them in the living room as a 2-Channel system haha ! The finish on my speakers are the normal black finish which is a bit textured. I'm thinking of wrapping it in vinyl or some kind of laminate , maybe even wood veneer. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks !
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Hey guys, any of you have tried refinishing your JTR speakers ? Thinking of changing the look of one pair of my slanted 8's so I can have my wife approve the look and put them in the living room as a 2-Channel system haha ! The finish on my speakers are the normal black finish which is a bit textured. I'm thinking of wrapping it in vinyl or some kind of laminate , maybe even wood veneer. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks !
I spoke with Jeff about this. He said the stock paint isn't like truck liner tough, so its sand-able.
I was thinking the same thing and putting on a nice paint or veneer at some point.

I was actually thinking on doing the JTR web site header streak (the one behind the speaker pictures on the sides).
But thats all just musing at this point while I wait for them to be delivered.
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Hey guys, any of you have tried refinishing your JTR speakers ? Thinking of changing the look of one pair of my slanted 8's so I can have my wife approve the look and put them in the living room as a 2-Channel system haha ! The finish on my speakers are the normal black finish which is a bit textured. I'm thinking of wrapping it in vinyl or some kind of laminate , maybe even wood veneer. Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks !
JTR's are function over form speakers. If wood grain or custom paint finishes are wanted, they are available on order. Unless you possess the requisite skills, I'd consider any re-finishing a proceed with caution type of project.
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That Tractor demo is very cool. I've never heard anything like it.

The Auro Demo Disk actually sounds a little better in Auro 3D but I'm setup for Atmos now and we listened to it using DSU.
Ditto! The tractor demo is the most impressive "imaging" demo I've ever heard.

I forgot to ask during my visit, was the other seats in the theater able to get that effect?

On my system only the sweet spot can get the effect of imaging, and imaging completely collapses if you're not sitting in that seat. That is something I wish I can expand to multiple seats so when I demo my system to friends (or for Saturday night movies), more than one person can hear a reasonably accurate soundstage.

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Easy to test as up firing Front Height speakers using DTS Neo:X or Dolby Pro Logic IIz and, you wouldn't have to commit to Atmos first.

You should come over and hear Atmos for yourself. Try before you buy ...
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Ditto! The tractor demo is the most impressive "imaging" demo I've ever heard.

I forgot to ask during my visit, was the other seats in the theater able to get that effect?

On my system only the sweet spot can get the effect of imaging, which is something I wish I can expand to multiple seats so when I demo my system to friends (or for Saturday night movies), more than one person can hear a reasonably accurate soundstage.
That effect is so dramatic that the tractor demo impresses at all seats. In fact all seat locations are good for most surround sound effects. In my case, the two front center seats have the best stereo imaging but it still sounds good at the other seating locations, just not as focused. To bad my HTPC wasn't operational as we could have played more 2 channel music. The 215RT's soundstage and imaging are excellent.

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Finally tried Awolnation "Sail"...I'm in punch-my-chest-heaven. You guys must try it. Just start at -10 volume. And I sually do Stereo...but I really like it in DTS Neo X...last mode it was on before so just started with it without even realizing.

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Anyone has Tidal.. Try Steve Gadd Band (70 Strong). Play track 1 (Foam Home). Turn it up!! Well if you guys are into Jazz. Especially drums.. That track will bring out the mid bass in our speakers.
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Anyone has Tidal.. Try Steve Gadd Band (70 Strong). Play track 1 (Foam Home). Turn it up!! Well if you guys are into Jazz. Especially drums.. That track will bring out the mid bass in our speakers.
I would like to get Deezer. I just don't listen to all that much music. I will be honest I have not been out in my theater in 3 weeks. I have been so busy at work not to mention my projector is giving me problems. I am waiting for a deal on a yearly package on a streaming service and then I am in!!
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I would like to get Deezer. I just don't listen to all that much music. I will be honest I have not been out in my theater in 3 weeks. I have been so busy at work not to mention my projector is giving me problems. I am waiting for a deal on a yearly package on a streaming service and then I am in!!
Nice.. Curious to how Deezer compares to Tidal. Tidal expanded a lot on their music library. Still streaming through them since January.
I too get busy with work at times and don't have time for the hobbies. But work does come first to support it. Haha..
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Hey guys -

I'm considering getting JTR 228's for my LCR's. I currently have GoldenEar Triton 2's and a SuperCenter XL in my set up. What are everyone's thoughts on this possible upgrade? Should I just hold out to find a deal on some 212's instead? Or will the 228's be more than enough. My room is only about 15 feet x 22 feet.

Keep in mind, my 4 surrounds are also GoldenEar Supersat 60's.
I also currently have 2 SVS PB13 Ultras.

Probably 75% movie use.
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I'm considering getting JTR 228's for my LCR's. I currently have GoldenEar Triton 2's and a SuperCenter XL in my set up. What are everyone's thoughts on this possible upgrade? Should I just hold out to find a deal on some 212's instead? Or will the 228's be more than enough. My room is only about 15 feet x 22 feet.

Keep in mind, my 4 surrounds are also GoldenEar Supersat 60's.
I also currently have 2 SVS PB13 Ultras.

Probably 75% movie use.
I seen you posted in the classifieds for Rays 228's. For 75% movie use, the 228's would be just fine. We just discussed this a couple of weeks ago and some of the guys have tested both the 212's and 228's and for movie use they were almost identical. That is a great deal on the 228's and I think you would be very happy with them.
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Thats what I was thinking too. I think if I had the ability to put the speakers behind my screen, I would splurge for the 212's. The main reason I'd want to pick up the 228's would be for an upgrade in my center channel. Don't get me wrong, GoldenEar has some fantastic speakers, but I think I can definitely improve

Now since I have not heard any JTR's in person, do these sound at all similar to the Klipsch RF 7ii's? I say this because thats the last "horn" speaker I had some time with, and to be honest, I wasn't a fan when I compared it to the ribbon tweeter of the Triton's.
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Thats what I was thinking too. I think if I had the ability to put the speakers behind my screen, I would splurge for the 212's. The main reason I'd want to pick up the 228's would be for an upgrade in my center channel. Don't get me wrong, GoldenEar has some fantastic speakers, but I think I can definitely improve

Now since I have not heard any JTR's in person, do these sound at all similar to the Klipsch RF 7ii's? I say this because thats the last "horn" speaker I had some time with, and to be honest, I wasn't a fan when I compared it to the ribbon tweeter of the Triton's.
The 228's will make awesome surrounds should you ever decide to move on to other main speakers. That said, if you like music you should at least consider the 210RT's ... says the "Pusher" .

Sorry, old song reference from an old guy.
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Dang a Hoyt Axton reference on the JTR thread! Nice...



Steppenwolf did a great job with the song. I have the SACD but not sure the higher resolution really provided anything worthwhile.

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Stopped by RMK's place today for a demo of Atmos, Rob was a gracious host as always and I just can't say enough about his system. Each time I have come by the system has been changed/upgraded and each time I think it can't get any better but it does! We watched/listened to an Atmos demo disc and a Auro demo as well as some clips from Unbroken and John Wick with some awesome 2 channel thrown in. Just superb sound. The treatments in the room make every detail in the audio noticeable, clear and concise. I was ducking for cover during the unbroken clip where the plane begins taking gun ground fire just before the bombs are dropped and then the air battle that ensues. Thanks Rob for a great demo, I am sold on Top speakers for the 3D sound. I am going to try and wait until mid 2016 when the 2nd generation pre/pros & AVRs begin showing up to see how it all plays out. Perhaps by then Jeff will have come out with some Atmos speakers that are somewhat smaller for placement on the ceiling.

PS - with 3 215RTs up front there was plenty of bass, no need for subs at all
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Stopped by RMK's place today for a demo of Atmos, Rob was a gracious host as always and I just can't say enough about his system. Each time I have come by the system has been changed/upgraded and each time I think it can't get any better but it does! We watched/listened to an Atmos demo disc and a Auro demo as well as some clips from Unbroken and John Wick with some awesome 2 channel thrown in. Just superb sound. The treatments in the room make every detail in the audio noticeable, clear and concise. I was ducking for cover during the unbroken clip where the plane begins taking gun ground fire just before the bombs are dropped and then the air battle that ensues. Thanks Rob for a great demo, I am sold on Top speakers for the 3D sound. I am going to try and wait until mid 2016 when the 2nd generation pre/pros & AVRs begin showing up to see how it all plays out. Perhaps by then Jeff will have come out with some Atmos speakers that are somewhat smaller for placement on the ceiling.

PS - with 3 215RTs up front there was plenty of bass, no need for subs at all
Thanks for the nice comments Scott. Always good seeing you and thanks for the long term loan of the Blurays and for all the great hirez music you gave me last visit. We have similar taste in music and it has been fun listening to new stuff along with some old favorites. I hope 3D audio is here to stay as I am completely bought in especially for movies but as always, having the correct setup makes all the difference.

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I'm considering getting JTR 228's for my LCR's. I currently have GoldenEar Triton 2's and a SuperCenter XL in my set up. What are everyone's thoughts on this possible upgrade? Should I just hold out to find a deal on some 212's instead? Or will the 228's be more than enough. My room is only about 15 feet x 22 feet.

Keep in mind, my 4 surrounds are also GoldenEar Supersat 60's.
I also currently have 2 SVS PB13 Ultras.

Probably 75% movie use.
Coming from AMT tweeters in Tritons, I suspect that you'd prefer one of the coax-based JTRs (212HTs, 210s, 215s), to deliver that kind of sweet sounding treble (plus amazing dynamics), if music is important to you. Also, keep in mind that you will need to combine them with subs, unless you get one of the full range RT models.
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Now since I have not heard any JTR's in person, do these sound at all similar to the Klipsch RF 7ii's? I say this because thats the last "horn" speaker I had some time with, and to be honest, I wasn't a fan when I compared it to the ribbon tweeter of the Triton's.
Although I agree with you that I prefer AMTs over Klipsch, I prefer the 212HTs over AMTs. I assume that the same applies to any JTR speaker built on the coax driver.

They match the ribbon's sweet sounding, extended treble, but add another league of dynamics, integration with mids, more consistent off-axis response, yet less unwanted reflections.

It would be an unfortunate mistake to assume all horns sound alike.
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I appreciate the feedback you guys have given me! It's getting harder and harder to deny the justified popularity JTR has on here.
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