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I'm not sure if that is meant to have a negative connotation but I have no desire to advertise in Jeff's thread. Jeff makes a quality product that I like very much and wanted to post how well my 212s did in yet another room, this one completely untreated. I let some people throw on their own music and with all types it sounded phenomenal covering the entire room with effortless, detailed sound. There were about 20+ people that were intrigued by my speakers and I gave them a quick spiel on high-efficiency speakers, "you''ll give up before they will", and told them to go see Jeff on the floor above. I respect this thread, Jeff, and JTR Speakers too much to become a shill; if I can't do business the right way then I need to close my doors.
David, I'm sorry that my post created that impression. It is just the reality of breaking into the ID audio world that these forums provide the best way to get the word out for new entities and many have followed that course. It looks like you have built a very nice, highly differentiated product with your 24" based sub's. I enjoy your comments and wish you all the best in your venture.
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David, I'm sorry that my post created that impression. It is just the reality of breaking into the ID audio world that these forums provide the best way to get the word out for new entities and many have followed that course. It looks like you have built a very nice, highly differentiated product with your 24" based sub's. I enjoy your comments and wish you all the best in your venture.
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@RMK! I deleted the link so as to not be considered any form of bad marketing. I planned on doing that once you took a look anyways. Guess I should have just PM'd you.
That's too bad. It is a good read and interesting product so I'll post it back.

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The 215RM is actually my favorite in the JTR lineup because it is sealed and I've traditionally liked a sealed sound, has plenty of midbass, and has a large horn, which provides a huge soundstage. But fitting the 215RM in a normal room isn't exactly easy but that isn't an issue with most AT screen setups.
I have to agree on the space and mounting thing. I'd be all over a set of "208RM" or 206RM" if such beasts existed.
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I have to agree on the space and mounting thing. I'd be all over a set of "208RM" or 206RM" if such beasts existed.
What's wrong with the Noesis 228HT? Are you looking for that size cabinet with the coaxial compress driver?
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What's wrong with the Noesis 228HT? Are you looking for that size cabinet with the coaxial compress driver?
Driver and the 228HT isn't sealed, right? Much demand out there for a 6.5" driver version you think?

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Driver and the 228HT isn't sealed, right? Much demand out there for a 6.5" driver version you think?
I'm not so sure. I kinda doubt it for anything other than maybe a surround speaker.

Reason I say this is because I have a 2012 T8-LP, which is a sealed cabinet with two 8" bass drivers and 1 8" coax. While they sound very good, they must be crossed over at 100hz. If I put them in a baffle wall then I might be able to get 80hz out of them. So, I'd suspect if all you have is a pair of 6.5" drivers in a sealed cabinet that this would very much compromise performance below 200hz.

Then again I am NOT an authority on speaker design lol.
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I have never heard of this company before. I walked into the room at Axpona and saw what looked like "DJ" speakers hooked up to some kind of ProAudio amp and a laptop for a source. I sat down in the sweet spot, but I don't think that was necessary. I was the only visitor in the room. I could not believe the sound I was hearing. The Neosis 210rt were Clear, top to bottom, easy sounding. These weren't even working, but were bringing in bass that was clear and integrated into the speaker very nicely. Good imaging, and no harsh treble. Only negative would be that it isn't the most revealing treble, like that gained with an electrostat or ribbon, but I could be wrong. But they played clearly and sounded awesome. We cranked up some ACDC and they played loud without any distortion. I loved it. Then I had him play Rebbeca Pigeon and her voice rose up above the speaekers, directly in the middle and I could not believe it. Played some Clapton and the guitar grunted and sizzled. I want 3 of them for my theater. These are on my short list. Just have to sell my current high $$ speakers. I would want to get them in gloss black, if that is possible. They are pretty industrial looking. But I kind of like that too.
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I'm not so sure. I kinda doubt it for anything other than maybe a surround speaker.

Reason I say this is because I have a 2012 T8-LP, which is a sealed cabinet with two 8" bass drivers and 1 8" coax. While they sound very good, they must be crossed over at 100hz. If I put them in a baffle wall then I might be able to get 80hz out of them. So, I'd suspect if all you have is a pair of 6.5" drivers in a sealed cabinet that this would very much compromise performance below 200hz.

Then again I am NOT an authority on speaker design lol.
I have those as side surrounds and the website had them +/- 3db 80hz-20Khz. Audyssey usually sets mine to 80hz and they are surface mounted on the walls so non-baffle. I agree they sound good. I used them running full range in the HT for a month last year and liked them. Most people who watched movies in the HT during that month didn't realize that I only had the Triple 8LP's (L&R) and a Slanted 8 for center channel duty.

Made for a very nice sounding front end and, the dialog clarity out of that little S8 center was fantastic.

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I have those as side surrounds and the website had them +/- 3db 80hz-20Khz. Audyssey usually sets mine to 80hz and they are surface mounted on the walls so non-baffle. I agree they sound good. I used them running full range in the HT for a month last year and liked them. Most people who watched movies in the HT during that month didn't realize that I only had the Triple 8LP's (L&R) and a Slanted 8 for center channel duty.

Made for a very nice sounding front end and, the dialog clarity out of that little S8 center was fantastic.

Rob, wasn't that listed at half space though and not full space?
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I have those as side surrounds and the website had them +/- 3db 80hz-20Khz. Audyssey usually sets mine to 80hz and they are surface mounted on the walls so non-baffle. I agree they sound good. I used them running full range in the HT for a month last year and liked them. Most people who watched movies in the HT during that month didn't realize that I only had the Triple 8LP's (L&R) and a Slanted 8 for center channel duty.

Made for a very nice sounding front end and, the dialog clarity out of that little S8 center was fantastic.
Well, my LR are pulled a little from the front wall (less than a foot) and the center is right against the wall. My LR must be set at 100 or even 110 but the center can be crossed at 80. That's why I was thinking that 80hz would be good in a baffle wall.
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Rob, wasn't that listed at half space though and not full space?
Yes, listed as 78hz-24Khz (half space)

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Well, my LR are pulled a little from the front wall (less than a foot) and the center is right against the wall. My LR must be set at 100 or even 110 but the center can be crossed at 80. That's why I was thinking that 80hz would be good in a baffle wall.
I think they are good to 80Hz when close to a boundary. I was surprised at the bass running them full range but I did not push them.

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Thanks for all your inputs. This is definitely one of the best threads on AVS and a great source of information about JTR speakers. Based on what I have read so far, I have narrowed my choice at this time to 210Rt or 215rm.

The 210RT looks pretty close to 215RM except for the following:
1. Size difference
2. 215rm goes 6hz lower than 210rt.

Given these, are there any advantages to getting 215rm vs 210rt? I have a 22x16x7.5 room with a front false wall that will have the AT screen and panels with the LCR and subs behind them. So the effective room size will be 18x16x7.5. I will use this for 65-35 HT/Music. I also have a sub.

What I like is a huge soundstage, imaging and accurate, dynamic, clean, clear and transparent sound even at reference levels.

Given my needs and the speakers above, which one of the 2 would be better? Or do you think I should be looking at some other set of speakers like Seaton 12C or similar?

Any differences that you noticed between the two for those of you who have heard both? Thanks for your time and inputs.
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Thanks for all your inputs. This is definitely one of the best threads on AVS and a great source of information about JTR speakers. Based on what I have read so far, I have narrowed my choice at this time to 210Rt or 215rm.

The 210RT looks pretty close to 215RM except for the following:
1. Size difference
2. 215rm goes 6hz lower than 210rt.

Given these, are there any advantages to getting 215rm vs 210rt? I have a 22x16x7.5 room with a front false wall that will have the AT screen and panels with the LCR and subs behind them. So the effective room size will be 18x16x7.5. I will use this for 65-35 HT/Music. I also have a sub.

What I like is a huge soundstage, imaging and accurate, dynamic, clean, clear and transparent sound even at reference levels.

Given my needs and the speakers above, which one of the 2 would be better? Or do you think I should be looking at some other set of speakers like Seaton 12C or similar?

Any differences that you noticed between the two for those of you who have heard both? Thanks for your time and inputs.
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Thanks for all your inputs. This is definitely one of the best threads on AVS and a great source of information about JTR speakers. Based on what I have read so far, I have narrowed my choice at this time to 210Rt or 215rm.

The 210RT looks pretty close to 215RM except for the following:
1. Size difference
2. 215rm goes 6hz lower than 210rt.

Given these, are there any advantages to getting 215rm vs 210rt? I have a 22x16x7.5 room with a front false wall that will have the AT screen and panels with the LCR and subs behind them. So the effective room size will be 18x16x7.5. I will use this for 65-35 HT/Music. I also have a sub.

What I like is a huge soundstage, imaging and accurate, dynamic, clean, clear and transparent sound even at reference levels.

Given my needs and the speakers above, which one of the 2 would be better? Or do you think I should be looking at some other set of speakers like Seaton 12C or similar?

Any differences that you noticed between the two for those of you who have heard both? Thanks for your time and inputs.

I've read that sealed speakers are easier to integrate with subs but I've never had sealed speakers so I'll let those with experience chime in on that.
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Thanks for all your inputs. This is definitely one of the best threads on AVS and a great source of information about JTR speakers. Based on what I have read so far, I have narrowed my choice at this time to 210Rt or 215rm.

The 210RT looks pretty close to 215RM except for the following:
1. Size difference
2. 215rm goes 6hz lower than 210rt.

Given these, are there any advantages to getting 215rm vs 210rt? I have a 22x16x7.5 room with a front false wall that will have the AT screen and panels with the LCR and subs behind them. So the effective room size will be 18x16x7.5. I will use this for 65-35 HT/Music. I also have a sub.

What I like is a huge soundstage, imaging and accurate, dynamic, clean, clear and transparent sound even at reference levels.

Given my needs and the speakers above, which one of the 2 would be better? Or do you think I should be looking at some other set of speakers like Seaton 12C or similar?

Any differences that you noticed between the two for those of you who have heard both? Thanks for your time and inputs.
Either would be a great choice but I would favor the 215RM as I know what those 15" woofers can do. Which ever way you go, try and get the horn center right at your seated ear height. I may be more sensitive to this than others, but I find that there is a musical sweet spot by having your head and the horn, coax with CD or tweeter on the same vertical plane.
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Thanks for all your inputs. This is definitely one of the best threads on AVS and a great source of information about JTR speakers. Based on what I have read so far, I have narrowed my choice at this time to 210Rt or 215rm.

The 210RT looks pretty close to 215RM except for the following:
1. Size difference
2. 215rm goes 6hz lower than 210rt.

Given these, are there any advantages to getting 215rm vs 210rt? I have a 22x16x7.5 room with a front false wall that will have the AT screen and panels with the LCR and subs behind them. So the effective room size will be 18x16x7.5. I will use this for 65-35 HT/Music. I also have a sub.

What I like is a huge soundstage, imaging and accurate, dynamic, clean, clear and transparent sound even at reference levels.

Given my needs and the speakers above, which one of the 2 would be better? Or do you think I should be looking at some other set of speakers like Seaton 12C or similar?

Any differences that you noticed between the two for those of you who have heard both? Thanks for your time and inputs.
Hey Tuning. I am in the same boat as you minus the Cat 12c. Will most probably go with the 215RM.

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I've read that sealed speakers are easier to integrate with subs but I've never had sealed speakers so I'll let those with experience chime in on that.
It's true. Ported speakers introduce phase shift, which can be tricky to phase align at all frequencies. Flexible crossover slopes (like with JRiver) can help. If you cross over at a higher frequency, this is less of an issue.
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Thanks for all your inputs. This is definitely one of the best threads on AVS and a great source of information about JTR speakers. Based on what I have read so far, I have narrowed my choice at this time to 210Rt or 215rm.

The 210RT looks pretty close to 215RM except for the following:
1. Size difference
2. 215rm goes 6hz lower than 210rt.

Given these, are there any advantages to getting 215rm vs 210rt? I have a 22x16x7.5 room with a front false wall that will have the AT screen and panels with the LCR and subs behind them. So the effective room size will be 18x16x7.5. I will use this for 65-35 HT/Music. I also have a sub.

What I like is a huge soundstage, imaging and accurate, dynamic, clean, clear and transparent sound even at reference levels.

Given my needs and the speakers above, which one of the 2 would be better? Or do you think I should be looking at some other set of speakers like Seaton 12C or similar?

Any differences that you noticed between the two for those of you who have heard both? Thanks for your time and inputs.
If you plan on using it with subs, rather than full range, the 215RM seems like the best choice.
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I was in the same situation before as you are in now. Asked Jeff and he told me although the specs of 210RT and 215RM are close, the real world performance of the 215RM's are better.

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Thanks for all your inputs. This is definitely one of the best threads on AVS and a great source of information about JTR speakers. Based on what I have read so far, I have narrowed my choice at this time to 210Rt or 215rm.

The 210RT looks pretty close to 215RM except for the following:
1. Size difference
2. 215rm goes 6hz lower than 210rt.

Given these, are there any advantages to getting 215rm vs 210rt? I have a 22x16x7.5 room with a front false wall that will have the AT screen and panels with the LCR and subs behind them. So the effective room size will be 18x16x7.5. I will use this for 65-35 HT/Music. I also have a sub.

What I like is a huge soundstage, imaging and accurate, dynamic, clean, clear and transparent sound even at reference levels.

Given my needs and the speakers above, which one of the 2 would be better? Or do you think I should be looking at some other set of speakers like Seaton 12C or similar?

Any differences that you noticed between the two for those of you who have heard both? Thanks for your time and inputs.
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I was in the same situation before as you are in now. Asked Jeff and he told me although the specs of 210RT and 215RM are close, the real world performance of the 215RM's are better.
I'm going to repeat, ribbet myself. The 215RM is my favorite JTR speaker if you can fit it and plan to use subs. A powerful, sealed speaker that can throw a huge soundstage. It isn't quite as easy to drive as the 212 but it is a midbass monster while keeping a detailed and effortless top end.

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I'm going to repeat, ribbet myself. The 215RM is my favorite JTR speaker if you can fit it and plan to use subs. A powerful, sealed speaker that can throw a huge soundstage. It isn't quite as easy to drive as the 212 but it is a midbass monster while keeping a detailed and effortless top end.
I think therein lies the rub for most of us. The 210RT is the biggest I can reasonably go in my room, but my ht is in my living room. For those with dedicated spaces, single or very understanding spouses, go for the 215RM's.
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I think therein lies the rub for most of us. The 210RT is the biggest I can reasonably go in my room, but my ht is in my living room. For those with dedicated spaces, single or very understanding spouses, go for the 215RM's.
I'm there with you...the 212s are too big as it is for my living room theater. After hearing the 210RT at Axpona, I'd be thrilled to have the 210RT in my living room theater. That's like choosing between a Lamborghini and a Ferrari...poor baby.

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What does half space refer to? Also why would you need subs with a 215rm?
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What does half space refer to? Also why would you need subs with a 215rm?

Here's a good read that helps to explain it better.


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What does half space refer to? Also why would you need subs with a 215rm?
Well, "need" a strong word, but speakers in this class are more about what's the ultimate setup, rather than what you can get by with.

It also depends on the upper frequency range of the subs, and where you plan to cross them over.
For lower crossovers (especially with 18+" subs), the 215RM is a better match.
For higher crossovers, the 212s give added efficiency.

For no subs, the 215RTs are the ultimate choice, but 210RTs or 215RMs could do the job, but not 212s.
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What does half space refer to? Also why would you need subs with a 215rm?
You wouldn't for music but for an HT system, the under 32hz content is a big part of the fun. Subs are the easiest way to get that content outside of some outrageously large full range speakers.

The 210RT is a great compromise product and for most rooms is the better choice, but it too needs the support of a sub(s) for HT.

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My fault. I meant the 215rt. Measured to go down to 18hz. Someone was saying you need a sub with it. Couldn't hurt I guess, might be too much bass for medium rooms meaning 215rt and a sub. I like bass but i like it tight and clear.

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