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Thanks for your inputs Rhed, rmk, carp and theblackangus.

If I decide to go for 2015 212hts, can I use a 228ht as center? If not, can I use a 2014 212ht as center? Will it make any difference?

If I go for 210rt, can I use a 210rm as center or would you suggest going for another 210rt as center?
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Here's my take-

I really liked the 210RT, built like a pit bull! The bass was deep, punchy, and tactile. Also, I like the form factor of a floor standing speaker. The 210RT's were very loud. There was no way to directly compare the 210RT to the 212HT LP due the the 212's being run with MBM's and subs.

That being said-
Jeff had very good things to say about the 212HT for sheer clarity at high spl. He also mentioned that the 212's would need to be run with subs.

The common theme (as others with much more experience have mentioned) would be to go 210RT for music and crossed over for movies and 212 if your primary interests are movies/media/games. That doesn't mean the 212HT won't sound good for music, they'll just need to be crossed over to subs.

Hope this helps and nice to talk to you.
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I am a bit confused about which one of the JTRs to go for, 212Ht or 210RT. This is for a dedicated room behind AT screen. I will use a sub and already have a SVS PB13 ultra.

Do the 212HTs require separate stands? If so, then 210RTs may be better both from financial and spec perspective. Besides the sensitivity, is there a reason to choose one over the other leaving aside any stands required for 212s?

Any inputs from people who have heard both?

Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks for your time.
If you want to save money on stands, you can go with cinder blocks from Home Depot with sheet of velvet wrapped around them. This costs nothing, and works as well as any stand. It might not look first class, but it's plenty good for behind an AT screen.
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Tuning-

Here's my take-

I really liked the 210RT, built like a pit bull! The bass was deep, punchy, and tactile. Also, I like the form factor of a floor standing speaker. The 210RT's were very loud. There was no way to directly compare the 210RT to the 212HT LP due the the 212's being run with MBM's and subs.

That being said-
Jeff had very good things to say about the 212HT for sheer clarity at high spl. He also mentioned that the 212's would need to be run with subs.

The common theme (as others with much more experience have mentioned) would be to go 210RT for music and crossed over for movies and 212 if your primary interests are movies/media/games. That doesn't mean the 212HT won't sound good for music, they'll just need to be crossed over to subs.

Hope this helps and nice to talk to you.
You can even run the 210's FR with subs too. I mean we have guys in here doing that with their 215's. The 210's and 215's can really climb up the ladder too. Pretty much way more then anyone's normal listening levels. But hey, if you want DJ kind of levels, clean and continuous top end. And major hard hitting bass all the way down to 10hz. I recommend 212HT's and dual OS LFU's. That's pretty much solves everything right there in a all out spl package..
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You can even run the 210's FR with subs too. I mean we have guys in here doing that with their 215's. The 210's and 215's can really climb up the ladder too. Pretty much way more then anyone's normal listening levels. But hey, if you want DJ kind of levels, clean and continuous top end. And major hard hitting bass all the way down to 10hz. I recommend 212HT's and dual OS LFU's. That's pretty much solves everything right there in a all out spl package..
rhed- that would be a very nice combo!
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Earlier this year I had to choose between the 212HT vs 210RT. In the end the choice came down to 12" horn vs 10" and 3 identical LCR vs 2 x 210RT and a 210RM. I left the extra midbass and Full-Range capability that the 210RT has on the table and purchased 3 x 212HT for those 2 main reasons.
I would not change my choice but if I would have went with the 210RT/RM combo I would not have changed that either. I know that doesn't help clear anything up but it does tell me that one choice is as good as the other. The give and take is pretty much even steven.
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My name is Don and I'm new to this forum.

This weekend I attended AXPONA (for the first time) and was blown away by Jeff's 210RT set up. When I entered the room I was expecting a smaller speaker (from all of the comments and pix of the 210 vs the 215), but these things are brutes. They are thick, deep and just plain look aggressive!

I spent about an hour just listening to different CD's that people were bringing in, everything from Jazz to Techno to Rock to POP. I was floored by their power, clarity, and extension. Even when turned up to very high levels, the 210RT's handled the highs and lows with pin point precision. I was extremely impressed. I currently have a Klipsch reference system (with several Seaton Sub M's) that I am fairly happy with, but these are in a whole other league.

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In room 308, there was a newer company out of Knoxville called Deep Sea Sound. They are building subwoofers using Stereo Integrity drivers. In this particular setup, they were showcasing the 212HT LP with JBL mid-base modules and dual SI-24 subs. These too were amazing. I have to say that the 24 inch driver is beautiful.

All in all I was happy to be able to experience several of Jeff's products and finally meet him in person.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I placed an order.
Congrats on your new purchase!
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Thanks for your inputs Rhed, rmk, carp and theblackangus.

If I decide to go for 2015 212hts, can I use a 228ht as center? If not, can I use a 2014 212ht as center? Will it make any difference?

If I go for 210rt, can I use a 210rm as center or would you suggest going for another 210rt as center?
Here is what I have heard from my reading:
1. If you get the 212s get a 212 as the center, the 228 doesn't have the same compression driver/horn so it sounds a bit different. Now using a 2014 212 for the center vs 2015 the horns are different but the driver is the same, so this seems that it would make a bigger difference.
2. Using a 210 RM for the center should be acceptable, from my understanding Jeff designed the "M" to be a center for the "T"'s.

Honestly call Jeff and he will help you with your questions, hes good like that.
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If you want to save money on stands, you can go with cinder blocks from Home Depot with sheet of velvet wrapped around them. This costs nothing, and works as well as any stand. It might not look first class, but it's plenty good for behind an AT screen.
Good idea, also you can go with the floating AT screen and have shelves for the speakers to sit on, I made this shelf for my center channel.




the 2x4 with the bracket is for the bottom of the screen to connect to, I have 3 2x4's with brackets for the top of the screen to connect to.

Ha, I forgot how off center I had that brace on the 2x4... doesn't matter though, works fine and you can't see it obviously.






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Good idea, also you can go with the floating AT screen and have shelves for the speakers to sit on, I made this shelf for my center channel.




the 2x4 with the bracket is for the bottom of the screen to connect to, I have 3 2x4's with brackets for the top of the screen to connect to.

Ha, I forgot how off center I had that brace on the 2x4... doesn't matter though, works fine and you can't see it obviously.






Finished shot looks great!
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Finished shot looks great!
Thanks Lance I need to take an updated picture, I followed Dominguez1 and my buddy Jedimastergrant's advice and I put some velvet under the screen on the carpet which did make an improvement in the look of the front wall area as well as the picture quality.
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Thanks Lance I need to take an updated picture, I followed Dominguez1 and my buddy Jedimastergrant's advice and I put some velvet under the screen on the carpet which did make an improvement in the look of the front wall area as well as the picture quality.
I've followed your theater's evolution Carp and agree that you have a very nice setup!
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Here is what I have heard from my reading:
1. If you get the 212s get a 212 as the center, the 228 doesn't have the same compression driver/horn so it sounds a bit different. Now using a 2014 212 for the center vs 2015 the horns are different but the driver is the same, so this seems that it would make a bigger difference.
2. Using a 210 RM for the center should be acceptable, from my understanding Jeff designed the "M" to be a center for the "T"'s.

Honestly call Jeff and he will help you with your questions, hes good like that.
It's best if your LCRs all have matching crossovers, so that things stay in phase when you pan between speakers. Phase and timbre matching will produce the best imaging.

I believe the 2014 and 2015 models have different horns, drivers, and crossovers.
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Congrats on your new purchase!
Thank you!
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I've followed your theater's evolution Carp and agree that you have a very nice setup!
Thanks man, good choice on your speaker selection - I absolutely loved the 210's.
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Thanks man, good choice on your speaker selection - I absolutely loved the 210's.
Thanks yours was one of the very few reviews I was able to dig up. Hearing them in person sealed it.
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Thanks yours was one of the very few reviews I was able to dig up. Hearing them in person sealed it.
Very cool, make sure you post some pics of your setup when you get them!!
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Thanks for your inputs Rhed, rmk, carp and theblackangus.

If I decide to go for 2015 212hts, can I use a 228ht as center? If not, can I use a 2014 212ht as center? Will it make any difference?

If I go for 210rt, can I use a 210rm as center or would you suggest going for another 210rt as center?
Ideally, it's best to have the same three speakers accross the front. The 215RM and 210RM are an exact match to their RT counter parts and can be used with each other. If you go with 212HT and can't fit a 212HT center than I would go with the 210RM because they share the same compression driver (228 doesn't).
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Thanks yours was one of the very few reviews I was able to dig up. Hearing them in person sealed it.
I just read on the Seaton thread where you scored a pair of F2s to go with your SubM arsenal. What will your finished system consist of (speakers & subs) when the new additions (210RT) arrive?
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Here's a picture of the Noesis 210RM:
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I just read on the Seaton thread where you scored a pair of F2s to go with your SubM arsenal. What will your finished system consist of (speakers & subs) when the new additions (210RT) arrive?
Chris, I was gonna call you tonight. I was very close to pulling the trigger on your Triple 12's. Should have stayed home from Chicago, LOL.

Ended up buying 210RT's, 210RM, and 2 8HT's. Will have 4 Seaton F2's up front and 2 HP's behind seating on riser. Super excited to get things in.

Next up- down the rabbit hole of room equalization. Lots to learn…Thanks for the comments and picking things up next week, after Derby.
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Chris, I was gonna call you tonight. I was very close to pulling the trigger on your Triple 12's. Should have stayed home from Chicago, LOL.

Ended up buying 210RT's, 210RM, and 2 8HT's. Will have 4 Seaton F2's up front and 2 HP's behind seating on riser. Super excited to get things in.
Congrats on the new theater digs. I'm sure it's gonna be awesome.

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You have my condolences.
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Chris, I was gonna call you tonight. I was very close to pulling the trigger on your Triple 12's. Should have stayed home from Chicago, LOL.

Ended up buying 210RT's, 210RM, and 2 8HT's. Will have 4 Seaton F2's up front and 2 HP's behind seating on riser. Super excited to get things in.

Next up- down the rabbit hole of room equalization. Lots to learn…Thanks for the comments and picking things up next week, after Derby.
Awesome!!! You won't be disappointed. Congrats.
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Chris, I was gonna call you tonight. I was very close to pulling the trigger on your Triple 12's. Should have stayed home from Chicago, LOL.

Ended up buying 210RT's, 210RM, and 2 8HT's. Will have 4 Seaton F2's up front and 2 HP's behind seating on riser. Super excited to get things in.

Next up- down the rabbit hole of room equalization. Lots to learn…Thanks for the comments and picking things up next week, after Derby.

WOW, that is going to be one hell of a setup!
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Chris, I was gonna call you tonight. I was very close to pulling the trigger on your Triple 12's. Should have stayed home from Chicago, LOL.

Ended up buying 210RT's, 210RM, and 2 8HT's. Will have 4 Seaton F2's up front and 2 HP's behind seating on riser. Super excited to get things in.

Next up- down the rabbit hole of room equalization. Lots to learn…Thanks for the comments and picking things up next week, after Derby.
That's how you do it right there. Great Choices all around. I love the Subwoofers!!!
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Chris, I was gonna call you tonight. I was very close to pulling the trigger on your Triple 12's. Should have stayed home from Chicago, LOL.

Ended up buying 210RT's, 210RM, and 2 8HT's. Will have 4 Seaton F2's up front and 2 HP's behind seating on riser. Super excited to get things in.

Next up- down the rabbit hole of room equalization. Lots to learn…Thanks for the comments and picking things up next week, after Derby.
Killer combo/setup! Congrats and welcome to the JTR gang..
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Here is what I was talking about earlier today, love the improvement from putting the velvet on the floor. I bought a 12 foot long piece of molding to make the velvet even in the front and stapled it. Worked out pretty well. I need to start buying stock in JoAnn's.

I put in the basketball on the floor, otherwise the picture would look like the velvet is just on the wall under the screen.




Big thanks to Tim (Stitch1) for letting me rip off his floating screen idea.
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My name is Don and I'm new to this forum.
On another note-
In room 308, there was a newer company out of Knoxville called Deep Sea Sound. They are building subwoofers using Stereo Integrity drivers. In this particular setup, they were showcasing the 212HT LP with JBL mid-base modules and dual SI-24 subs. These too were amazing. I have to say that the 24 inch driver is beautiful.
Don, it was great to meet you and your wife at Axpona and congrats on the new purchase. I had the pair of 212HT-LPs with 15" JBL midbass modules in my exhibit and mentioned multiple times for people to go up and see Jeff. My main comment was "if you turn up the volume with most speakers, the speaker becomes unhappy. With these speakers, you'll be unhappy before the speaker is." I've heard the 212s in multiple rooms and every time it reinforces how much I love the upper end and midrange of the 212s. I likely should have bought the ported from the beginning as I didn't initially realize the sealed were designed for a baffle wall. But the sealed 212 was so easy to integrate with the 15" JBL midbass, I mean basically level match and throw a 48db crossover between the pair at 200Hz. Yep, it was hard but to my ears, seamless and impressive. I'm definitely a 212 fanboy but recommend the ported version unless they will be installed in a baffle wall.
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I also had a brief chance to go up and meet Jeff in person and listen to his 210RT setup. Jeff is a real nice guy, a little quiet and reserved; definitely wouldn't have pegged him as a motorcycle racer but I like that he doesn't fit a mold. The 210RT is a real nice speaker but to really have an opinion, I'd have to A/B them directly against my 212s. The 210RT, using the same compression driver as my 212 has the detail and ease with which I'm accustom to listening. But the pair of 10s in a large ported cabinet brought some nice bass to the mix; the bottom of my chair was giving me a nice massage. If you're primarily a 2-channel listener (at spirited volumes), the 210RT could be a very good choice. For home theater use, they definitely need some subwoofers but the 210RTs likely have as much midbass as anyone could want. For 50/50 use, the 210RT with subs would be a great combination as you could only turn on the subs when watching movies.
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I also had a brief chance to go up and meet Jeff in person and listen to his 210RT setup. Jeff is a real nice guy, a little quiet and reserved; definitely wouldn't have pegged him as a motorcycle racer but I like that he doesn't fit a mold. The 210RT is a real nice speaker but to really have an opinion, I'd have to A/B them directly against my 212s. The 210RT, using the same compression driver as my 212 has the detail and ease with which I'm accustom to listening. But the pair of 10s in a large ported cabinet brought some nice bass to the mix; the bottom of my chair was giving me a nice massage. If you're primarily a 2-channel listener (at spirited volumes), the 210RT could be a very good choice. For home theater use, they definitely need some subwoofers but the 210RTs likely have as much midbass as anyone could want. For 50/50 use, the 210RT with subs would be a great combination as you could only turn on the subs when watching movies.
I am guessing the 215RM would work similar to the 210rt. 50/50 music and movies with sub added for movies.

The 210rt is listed as down to 38Hz and the 215rm as down to 32Hz.
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I am guessing the 215RM would work similar to the 210rt. 50/50 music and movies with sub added for movies.

The 210rt is listed as down to 38Hz and the 215rm as down to 32Hz.
The 215RM is actually my favorite in the JTR lineup because it is sealed and I've traditionally liked a sealed sound, has plenty of midbass, and has a large horn, which provides a huge soundstage. But fitting the 215RM in a normal room isn't exactly easy but that isn't an issue with most AT screen setups.
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