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I am soon to have an all JTR setup.. Last month I ordered 3x212HTs for my LCR and 2 Single 8LPs for my surrounds. According to Jeff, they should ship by the end of this week but he is also running a bit late so that may change..

I also picked up a pair of Triple 12LFs that I am planning to use as surround backs.. They were cheaper than the new Single 8LPs that is why I decided to use them that way

Big thanks to rcohen for helping me come up with my selections.

Can't wait for them to arrive!
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Curious as to what characteristics you are looking for by changing from the 215RTs to the 212HT combo. I am 50/50 HT/music. Just doing my research.
Either 212s or 215s can achieve amazing levels of performance.

Do you plan to get subs?
If so, what kind?
Do you have room for 215RTs or 215RMs?

That will steer your decision.
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I am soon to have an all JTR setup.. Last month I ordered 3x212HTs for my LCR and 2 Single 8LPs for my surrounds. According to Jeff, they should ship by the end of this week but he is also running a bit late so that may change..

I also picked up a pair of Triple 12LFs that I am planning to use as surround backs.. They were cheaper than the new Single 8LPs that is why I decided to use them that way

Big thanks to rcohen for helping me come up with my selections.

Can't wait for them to arrive!
Congrats and looking forward to your impressions.

I'm guessing you meant Triple 12HT" or LP's? Never heard of LF's except Orbit Shifters. In any case, is there any way you can fit them as side surrounds? That is where most of the surround sound action is and the T12's would make awesome side surrounds if the room can accommodate them. I went with Triple 8LPs as my side surrounds and have never regretted that decision even though they were more expensive than the single 8's.

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I am soon to have an all JTR setup.. Last month I ordered 3x212HTs for my LCR and 2 Single 8LPs for my surrounds. According to Jeff, they should ship by the end of this week but he is also running a bit late so that may change..

I also picked up a pair of Triple 12LFs that I am planning to use as surround backs.. They were cheaper than the new Single 8LPs that is why I decided to use them that way

Big thanks to rcohen for helping me come up with my selections.

Can't wait for them to arrive!
I'm excited to hear what you think. A little premature to thank me, but hopefully you will be in a week.

If you use Audyssey, there is a chance it will get confused by the 212s' efficiency. In some cases, it will clamp the 212s down to -12db, rather than properly setting them relative to other speakers.

If so, some of these might help:
https://www.parts-express.com/in-lin...-10db--240-412

If you aren't using Audyssey, you can manually tune gain using a sound meter, measurement mic, or app on your phone. I ended up going that route, and going without the attenuators.

Also, no idea what will work best in your room, but in mine, a little extra toe in (aimed 2-3 feet in front of the MLP) gave the widest sweet spot, while maintaining strong imaging.
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I wouldn't move anything until I got that new processor first. It could immediately cure everything you might be looking for. I will look forward to your impressions.
Oh yes, a big reason the XMC-1 is coming vs going with the Denon X7200. Thinking maybe Dirac will clean things up.

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Curious as to what characteristics you are looking for by changing from the 215RTs to the 212HT combo. I am 50/50 HT/music. Just doing my research.
More or less an experiment really. The 212HT's seemed a bit more dynamic for movies. Also a couple of movies I watched I felt sounded a bit better on my sealed vs the ported full range (Elysium) being one of them and (WOW) the other. Going to cross the 215's with ported, then sealed, then the 212HT's the same way and see what sounds the best in the end. Also have a new center channel coming in so see how that plays in also. After Fathers Day I get summer help for my business and will be doing less traveling and half the workload, so hopefully I will have the whole summer to play with lots of free time. Well see about that.

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Either 212s or 215s can achieve amazing levels of performance.

Do you plan to get subs?
If so, what kind?
Do you have room for 215RTs or 215RMs?

That will steer your decision.
I will definitely get a sub, I may jump on this Cap 1400 deal. It looks like a great sub for the money. It will replace my M@K 250 watt 12" sub. But my subs are just support for my 5.1 surrounds. I want a KILLER full range 2 channel music system. I want Hi Fi that will amaze in dynamics and be revealing of the subtleties in music. I would like to avoid integrating a sub into my 2 channel. I like to keep is simple with no electronic DSP. The 215RTs look like the ticket, with a few holdbacks:
1. They are huge. This is also a benefit as I like a wall of sound. I would have to make some changes in the room to make them work, but it can be done.
2. Does the dual 15" woofers overpower the horn loaded compression driver, or do they have the same balance as the powerful, and effordless 210RTs that I heard and loved at Axpona?
3. They are pretty utilitarian looking. I put sound over looks as a priority and I know veneers can be added, but it is at an added premium. Starting to leave the cost savings.
There are lots of options out there so I like to get real feedback from owners. If a current owner has them and is thinking of making a change I like to know why to see if it may be something I would or would not have an problem with.
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Those I believe are a 2008-9 model..
JTR Triple 12LF Review



I asked Jeff if I can use the 212HT grills with them since these will be visible.

My previous speakers were Polk Audio RTI A9 and there is no comparison between the two.. With just 2 speakers and no surrounds, they were in an entire different league than all my previous 7 speakers combined.. I can't wait to hear what the 212HTs would sound like.

The only way I can fit them as side surrounds is if I put them slightly behind the seats at around 110 degrees.. Having the Single 8lp at 90 degrees would give better distinction between the sides and the back which I think is more important.

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Congrats and looking forward to your impressions.

I'm guessing you meant Triple 12HT" or LP's? Never heard of LF's except Orbit Shifters. In any case, is there any way you can fit them as side surrounds? That is where most of the surround sound action is and the T12's would make awesome side surrounds if the room can accommodate them. I went with Triple 8LPs as my side surrounds and have never regretted that decision even though they were more expensive than the single 8's.
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I will definitely get a sub, I may jump on this Cap 1400 deal. It looks like a great sub for the money. It will replace my M@K 250 watt 12" sub. But my subs are just support for my 5.1 surrounds. I want a KILLER full range 2 channel music system. I want Hi Fi that will amaze in dynamics and be revealing of the subtleties in music. I would like to avoid integrating a sub into my 2 channel. I like to keep is simple with no electronic DSP. The 215RTs look like the ticket, with a few holdbacks:
1. They are huge. This is also a benefit as I like a wall of sound. I would have to make some changes in the room to make them work, but it can be done.
2. Does the dual 15" woofers overpower the horn loaded compression driver, or do they have the same balance as the powerful, and effordless 210RTs that I heard and loved at Axpona?
3. They are pretty utilitarian looking. I put sound over looks as a priority and I know veneers can be added, but it is at an added premium. Starting to leave the cost savings.
There are lots of options out there so I like to get real feedback from owners. If a current owner has them and is thinking of making a change I like to know why to see if it may be something I would or would not have an problem with.
For a single sub, your best bet would be to place it nearfield, if you can.
From your description, the 215RTs sound like your speaker, along with a powerful amp.
Yes, the horn can keep up with the 15s. In fact, I think the 15s are the bottleneck!
Certain DSP can make it sound more pure and revealing, but that's another topic. (Couldn't resist.)
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Yes, that is what it did with the triple 12s and they have the same 101db sensitivity.. I ordered the 12db RCA version since I am using RCA..
I am going to experiment with the toe-in when I get the speakers.. When i used the Triple 12s, I had good results with them facing the listening position at about 45 degrees but then again i haven't tried any other angles.


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I'm excited to hear what you think. A little premature to thank me, but hopefully you will be in a week.

If you use Audyssey, there is a chance it will get confused by the 212s' efficiency. In some cases, it will clamp the 212s down to -12db, rather than properly setting them relative to other speakers.

If so, some of these might help:
https://www.parts-express.com/in-lin...-10db--240-412

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Also, no idea what will work best in your room, but in mine, a little extra toe in (aimed 2-3 feet in front of the MLP) gave the widest sweet spot, while maintaining strong imaging.
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Yes, that is what it did with the triple 12s and they have the same 101db sensitivity.. I ordered the 12db RCA version since I am using RCA..
I am going to experiment with the toe-in when I get the speakers.. When i used the Triple 12s, I had good results with them facing the listening position at about 45 degrees but then again i haven't tried any other angles.
Going past 45 degrees might be too much, but I guess you'll find out when you experiment.

The dispersion on the 212s would be pretty different than the T12s, due to the horn. Regardless, experimenting is the way to go.
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Those I believe are a 2008-9 model..
JTR Triple 12LF Review



I asked Jeff if I can use the 212HT grills with them since these will be visible.

My previous speakers were Polk Audio RTI A9 and there is no comparison between the two.. With just 2 speakers and no surrounds, they were in an entire different league than all my previous 7 speakers combined.. I can't wait to hear what the 212HTs would sound like.

The only way I can fit them as side surrounds is if I put them slightly behind the seats at around 110 degrees.. Having the Single 8lp at 90 degrees would give better distinction between the sides and the back which I think is more important.
I know those review speakers well, I heard them in that room and ended up buying them ... Still, I think the LF is a typo.

In any case, I agree with your assessment of the T12's but might take issue with the importance weighting. Actually, they would make better wide speakers than surround backs IMHO.
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@ahmedreda ,
I wish I took a picture when I had the horns off my 212s (the older model, with removable horns).
The guts in these things are insane.
Lots of huge components, and very nicely put together.
I've never seen anything like it.
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I will definitely get a sub, I may jump on this Cap 1400 deal. It looks like a great sub for the money. It will replace my M@K 250 watt 12" sub. But my subs are just support for my 5.1 surrounds. I want a KILLER full range 2 channel music system. I want Hi Fi that will amaze in dynamics and be revealing of the subtleties in music. I would like to avoid integrating a sub into my 2 channel. I like to keep is simple with no electronic DSP. The 215RTs look like the ticket, with a few holdbacks:
1. They are huge. This is also a benefit as I like a wall of sound. I would have to make some changes in the room to make them work, but it can be done.
2. Does the dual 15" woofers overpower the horn loaded compression driver, or do they have the same balance as the powerful, and effordless 210RTs that I heard and loved at Axpona?
3. They are pretty utilitarian looking. I put sound over looks as a priority and I know veneers can be added, but it is at an added premium. Starting to leave the cost savings.
There are lots of options out there so I like to get real feedback from owners. If a current owner has them and is thinking of making a change I like to know why to see if it may be something I would or would not have an problem with.
I have been wanting a true full range loudspeaker for years and Jeff finally made one. I was customer #1 and I have never thought of letting them go. They are huge, but if you can work them into your lifestyle, it's all good. I haven't heard the 210RT but would love to some day. The wooers do not overpower the 215 horn as that is one of the better compression drivers money can buy and, they sound amazing. I should also mention that they are virtually indestructible so don't be afraid to let the speakers do their thing. The chills and the big grin on your face will be your reward ...

You might want to check out the review above of the early model JTR Triple 12's referenced above. That gent owned many audiophile speakers and his experience mirrors mine when it comes to high efficiency designs and the money we spent chasing the audiophile dream.

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That could very well be the case In my previous setup I had all the surrounds behind the seats and I always felt like all the sound was coming from the back. When I receive the speakers, I will try them both ways and see which one works better.

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I know those review speakers well, I heard them in that room and ended up buying them ... Still, I think the LF is a typo.

In any case, I agree with your assessment of the T12's but might take issue with the importance weighting. Actually, they would make better wide speakers than surround backs IMHO.
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I have been wanting a true full range loudspeaker for years and Jeff finally made one. I was customer #1 and I have never thought of letting them go. They are huge, but if you can work them into your lifestyle, it's all good. I haven't heard the 210RT but would love to some day. The wooers do not overpower the 215 horn as that is one of the better compression drivers money can buy and, they sound amazing. I should also mention that they are virtually indestructible so don't be afraid to let the speakers do their thing. The chills and the big grin on your face will be your reward ...

You might want to check out the review above of the early model JTR Triple 12's referenced above. That gent owned many audiophile speakers and his experience mirrors mine when it comes to high efficiency designs and the money we spent chasing the audiophile dream.
Thanks. You are right. I might be in the same situation as that guy. I will put my current gear up for sale and let the rest be up to the Audio Gods. 215RTs sure would look cool in gloss black
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Thanks. You are right. I might be in the same situation as that guy. I will put my current gear up for sale and let the rest be up to the Audio Gods. 215RTs sure would look cool in gloss black
I find the 215RT's to be a beautiful speaker and I think one of the custom finishes would only enhance it's beauty. I went with the standard matte black paint because I have a dedicated space and no one see's them unless you're in that space. However, if they were more visible I would have chosen one of Jeff's custom finishes.

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I know those review speakers well, I heard them in that room and ended up buying them ... Still, I think the LF is a typo.

In any case, I agree with your assessment of the T12's but might take issue with the importance weighting. Actually, they would make better wide speakers than surround backs IMHO.
RMK, if memory serves prior to becoming popular in the HT/domestic market, JTR was targeted towards professional users. I remember this because I had spoken to quite a few gentlemen at the time regarding speaker choices, many from the professional world. JTR ,among others, was highly recommended.

A link that may jog your memory -

http://web.archive.org/web/200809070...riple12lf.html
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