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Old 05-21-2015, 08:46 AM
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Just got the Single 8's hooked up as L and R mains (clear, detailed, and have a nice sound stage). Doing just fine with the subs, but wife thinks they are a little small in comparison. She wonders why we got rid of the RF-7ii mains. Hurry up next week!
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Are you starting to get the JTR itch? Would they be in addition to or replacing your line arrays? (Which I would love to hear btw)
I am thinking more about adding the Slant 8's as surrounds. I don't plan to replace my line arrays.
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Where's Super Troopers and Joe Dirt???
Joe Dirt was the best. I read Joe Dirt 2 is coming out this year. About 8 years to late IMO, but looking forward to it!!


Anyway, I want to give a shout out to Mike Garret at AV Sales @AV Science Sales 5 I finalized my transaction with him yesterday for my new Denon and it was on my step by noon today. I believe it was the same way last time with my 4520 and oppo. No BS, no hassle, just good fast service!! I told Mike I am using him for all my upgrades for now on!
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Can anyone re-hash a quick testimony of switching to this unit or Dirac from XT32?
Ah, I shall just roll into the mini dsp Dirac thread...4k replies to wade through
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Joe Dirt was the best. I read Joe Dirt 2 is coming out this year. About 8 years to late IMO, but looking forward to it!!


Anyway, I want to give a shout out to Mike Garret at AV Sales @AV Science Sales 5 I finalized my transaction with him yesterday for my new Denon and it was on my step by noon today. I believe it was the same way last time with my 4520 and oppo. No BS, no hassle, just good fast service!! I told Mike I am using him for all my upgrades for now on!

Agreed. Mike was awesome to deal with. I picked up my RS4910 from him and I don't think the transaction could have gone any smoother. I had a few questions with regards to my situation and he answered everything in a professional manner. Never got the sense he was rushing me off the phone. Never tried to push me in another, more expensive direction. All he did was offer his honest opinion/insight based on the information I gave him. What more could you want?
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Ah, I shall just roll into the mini dsp Dirac thread...4k replies to wade through
I'm doing the same thing. The 88a seems very interesting. I've also downloaded the user manual and have read through that.


http://www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-series/ddrc-88a

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JTR's first subwoofer tested by Data-Bass:
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=117
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JTR's first subwoofer tested by Data-Bass:
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Just read the review, congrats to you for making this product and congrats to me for buying 2.
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If you laid the cap 1400 on it side will it hurt it performance, I guessing not but jut wanted ask to be sure.
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If you laid the cap 1400 on it side will it hurt it performance, I guessing not but jut wanted ask to be sure.
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Works fine on it's side. This is actually the reason I don't install feet on them.
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It should be just fine on its side.


Edit: Jeff beat me to it.
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As cool as the Cap tests were, I'm even more impressed with the Growlers numbers! holy cow!!!! for a 12? thats some serious output..... I want 2 so bad but have so many car parts to buy LOL Ahh first world problems at their best.

Blasting brown notes for 10 years and counting!

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As cool as the Cap tests were, I'm even more impressed with the Growlers numbers! holy cow!!!! for a 12? thats some serious output..... I want 2 so bad but have so many car parts to buy LOL Ahh first world problems at their best.

Can you say "holy moly mid bass module batman".....lol
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That growler is a beast above 40hz for sure!


Jeff it's awesome that you are putting your gear on data-bass! Looks like everything will be very successful against your ID competition based on the first two entries!


Congrats!

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As cool as the Cap tests were, I'm even more impressed with the Growlers numbers! holy cow!!!! for a 12? thats some serious output..... I want 2 so bad but have so many car parts to buy LOL Ahh first world problems at their best.
I think it's impressive that the Captivator did what it did with only 1400 watts. Keep in mind that all the passive and diy subwoofers are burst tested with either a 10,000 or 20,000 watt amplifier. The Captivator 1400 only has a 1400 watt amplifier. Subtract 9-12db from the passive and diy numbers to give you an idea of what they would do with 1400 watts. Looking at the cea-2010 burst testing, 16-50hz and 100-125hz the Captivator 1400 was the highest self powered subwoofer (Paradigm edged it out by 0.1db at 63hz and 2db at 80hz).

If you liked the Growlers data then wait to you see the Orbit Shifter PRO
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I think it's impressive that the Captivator did what it did with only 1400 watts. Keep in mind that all the passive and diy subwoofers are burst tested with either a 10,000 or 20,000 watt amplifier. The Captivator 1400 only has a 1400 watt amplifier. Subtract 9-12db from the passive and diy numbers to give you an idea of what they would do with 1400 watts.

Is that really correct Jeff? Doesn't Josh only push the DIY and passive subs with how much the drivers can actually handle? Otherwise he'd be burning up test drivers every time he tests one. I mean 10,000watts, how many drivers can handle that much power?
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However if you arent an owner you gotta buy all owners a round of drinks
<runs off to invite many non-owners>
That could quickly become more expensive than becoming an owner.

Hmm, new line of reasoning for an upgrade....
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I think it's impressive that the Captivator did what it did with only 1400 watts. Keep in mind that all the passive and diy subwoofers are burst tested with either a 10,000 or 20,000 watt amplifier. The Captivator 1400 only has a 1400 watt amplifier. Subtract 9-12db from the passive and diy numbers to give you an idea of what they would do with 1400 watts. Looking at the cea-2010 burst testing, 16-50hz and 100-125hz the Captivator 1400 was the highest self powered subwoofer (Paradigm edged it out by 0.1db at 63hz and 2db at 80hz).

If you liked the Growlers data then wait to you see the Orbit Shifter PRO
I can't wait to see what them Pro's do...
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I think it's impressive that the Captivator did what it did with only 1400 watts. Keep in mind that all the passive and diy subwoofers are burst tested with either a 10,000 or 20,000 watt amplifier. The Captivator 1400 only has a 1400 watt amplifier. Subtract 9-12db from the passive and diy numbers to give you an idea of what they would do with 1400 watts. Looking at the cea-2010 burst testing, 16-50hz and 100-125hz the Captivator 1400 was the highest self powered subwoofer (Paradigm edged it out by 0.1db at 63hz and 2db at 80hz).

If you liked the Growlers data then wait to you see the Orbit Shifter PRO
Jeff, will you have an OS LFU tested as well?
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As cool as the Cap tests were, I'm even more impressed with the Growlers numbers! holy cow!!!! for a 12? thats some serious output..... I want 2 so bad but have so many car parts to buy LOL Ahh first world problems at their best.
Nate I was thinking almost the same thing. Maybe four of them up front, run them on the LG10k and put the sunfire back on the mains and surrounds. Then cross the main at 100 to the growlers and cross the OS LFU tot he growlers around 50hz. would need a new Minidsp with more channels though.
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That could quickly become more expensive than becoming an owner.

Hmm, new line of reasoning for an upgrade....
I like your thought process
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Looks like Sept. for the LFU.
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That was interesting since you can compare all of the other former subs head to head with the cap. I went through all of the subs that would be considered the competition for the cap and all of them came up short, most of them way short. I'm not surprised.

So what sub is that that has the all time best on data bass? I put in the g horn and the othorn and they are below that line so what the heck sub is that?
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I think it's impressive that the Captivator did what it did with only 1400 watts. Keep in mind that all the passive and diy subwoofers are burst tested with either a 10,000 or 20,000 watt amplifier. The Captivator 1400 only has a 1400 watt amplifier. Subtract 9-12db from the passive and diy numbers to give you an idea of what they would do with 1400 watts. Looking at the cea-2010 burst testing, 16-50hz and 100-125hz the Captivator 1400 was the highest self powered subwoofer (Paradigm edged it out by 0.1db at 63hz and 2db at 80hz).

If you liked the Growlers data then wait to you see the Orbit Shifter PRO
Man I bet the pro is unreal. I would love to just play around with one for a week or two..... Sure you don't want to have one of those for demo purposes like you do the s8's? btw, I would love to test the s8's out against the new surrounds I am working with Matt on. Are they currently out for demo?
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I'm doing some homework on the 88a as it sounds very promising. What do you do with your atmos channels from the 7702 since the 88a is only 7.1? In reading through the 88a thread some propose (2) 88a's for the extra channels.
I run a 5.1.4 system. My .1 is six subs. I use a 10x10HD for the subs and have them on one channel of the 88A. I left off the two back ceiling Atmos speakers and just set distance manually. We should have our MiniDSP products in, next week.

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You know the deal Mike, you are only allowed to tell me one thing per year. You might have saved that one for something I might actually buy ...

But seriously Mike, I also bought the AV7702 and an Atmos setup was the reason. When Dirac becomes a licensed component of an AVR or SSP that also supports the 3D audio formats, I'm in. In the meantime, I'll just struggle along with what sounds to me to be outstanding SQ without Dirac.
Wasted that one. Now it would be nice it the 88A supported more channels, but the beauty of it, is you can use it with any AVR or prepro that has preouts. Just buy the processor that has the features you want and then run through the Dirac unit.

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I had a Wyred for Sound, then a Lab Gruppen and now a cheap Behringer running the 215RT's. Outside of the LG being able to to blow the window out, I notice little if any difference in the sound. Takes golden ears to be able to differentiate amps and apparently, mine are of a less precious metal.
Tin?

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Yeah I got the demo disc from a fellow KC'R. When we went to the AMC Prime for the GTG they did the folding boxing Atmos demo and it was spectacular! I would have loved to have put it on a loop. I was shocked at the bass in that theater, best I have ever heard in a commercial theater. It was like being at Gorilla's or Beast house

Now you can see in this pic just how much room I have for heights, but I think they will work if I can find something small and flush mount it to the ceiling. The 215's were not part of the plan when I built the room or I would have placed the wires higher or in the ceiling.



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