Official JTR speaker thread - Page 988 - AVS | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!


Forum Jump: 
Reply
Thread Tools
post #29611 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 01:26 PM
Advanced Member
 
Nabs17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Wesley Chapel, FL
Posts: 920
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 182
I think I'm comfortable staying on the side lines at the moment. I'll jump into 3D audio as I learn more but I am definitely making the move sometime in the future.

Nabs17
Nabs17 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #29612 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 01:31 PM
Señor Member
 
RMK!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 95608
Posts: 6,745
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 926 Post(s)
Liked: 763
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabs17 View Post
Interesting indeed. We are definitely moving into a new era with 3D audio and since I've spent as much as I have for the S8's...they are going into this new era with me. Perhaps I'll do something different as I make that move but the S8's are staying in some fashion.
Of course the S8's are a great sonic match in your system and mine. In that regard they would be better than my JBL's for 3D ceiling duty. It is my hope that if Jeff builds some new ceiling speakers he doesn't down size them. Cheaper smaller isn't always better ...
Nabs17 likes this.

HToM Extraordinary Evolution

Opinions are not facts.

Last edited by RMK!; 06-04-2015 at 03:18 PM.
RMK! is online now  
post #29613 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 01:53 PM
Senior Member
 
staaled's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 245
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post
I have these in my dual upper layered setup , otherwise my JTR room. I hope Jeff comes up with something similar they do keep up nicely with jtr's.
PeterV





Quote:
Originally Posted by RMK! View Post
I just posted about this in the Best Atmos Speaker Thread and the issue is more than just keeping up. The new 3D audio formats are going to require more low frequency performance from the surround e.g ceiling speakers. I installed JBL 8340A with a 10" woofer and separate CD/horn as my 4 ceiling surround speakers, The JBL's play down to <50hz (Audyssey set them to 40hz) and I have found that kind of extension is necessary for the ceiling speakers based upon the content that is being delivered to them using Atmos and DSU. With DTS-X on the horizon and it's own upmixer, this requirement will only make it more imperative to have capable surrounds along with more subwoofer's positioned around the room for this purpose.

Having surrounds that have to be crossed over above 80hz just isn't going to cut it. Even 80 hz is pushing is as I find subs localizeable at 80hz and above. This is new ground that we are treading and once you have experienced Atmos done reasonably well it is not unlike going from a big flat screen to a FP system with an AT screen. I think 3D audio is here to stay and for 3D audio to work optimally, you will need some robust surrounds.

So I would advise any speaker designer to go back to the drawing board and build something like my JBL's (preferably better). Not an easy task but could pay off if done right.
My guess is that Large systems will not be acceptable in most situations .

I have a pair of Neumann 120A' s in a small system.
Sound great and go really loud before distorting.
Lots of mounting options as well.
Finally no need for amps because these are active.
staaled is offline  
post #29614 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 02:43 PM
Member
 
Naylorman32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 145
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Just thought I would show you guys how my progress on my JTR theater is coming. I had my screen (138") and projector (600ES) installed this afternoon.

You can see my 212's and the 228 just sitting in place to get an idea of their size for the room. The 228 will be horizontal on some sort of stand and tilted upwards slightly. Nothing has been hooked up yet, so I can't wait to spend the weekend testing them out! I also got my Slanted 8's from Jeff yesterday.

The SVS subwoofers will HOPEFULLY be replaced with a JTR S2 in the coming weeks.

I'll post some pictures in a dedicated thread once everything is done! I cant tell you how excited I am. Months and months and monthssss of preparation and research led me to getting JTR's. Cant thank you guys enough for all the help!


Work left to be done to room:
Velvet on the side walls and to the left and right of screen
Paint the door on the right black
Black carpet under screen
Acoustic panels




TO BE CONTINUED.......
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	image1.jpg
Views:	117
Size:	161.5 KB
ID:	755897   Click image for larger version

Name:	image2.jpg
Views:	98
Size:	138.6 KB
ID:	755905  
Frank D, carp, RMK! and 7 others like this.
Naylorman32 is offline  
post #29615 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 03:05 PM
Advanced Member
 
Nabs17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Wesley Chapel, FL
Posts: 920
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 360 Post(s)
Liked: 182
Quote:
Originally Posted by Naylorman32 View Post
Just thought I would show you guys how my progress on my JTR theater is coming. I had my screen (138") and projector (600ES) installed this afternoon.

You can see my 212's and the 228 just sitting in place to get an idea of their size for the room. The 228 will be horizontal on some sort of stand and tilted upwards slightly. Nothing has been hooked up yet, so I can't wait to spend the weekend testing them out! I also got my Slanted 8's from Jeff yesterday.

The SVS subwoofers will HOPEFULLY be replaced with a JTR S2 in the coming weeks.

I'll post some pictures in a dedicated thread once everything is done! I cant tell you how excited I am. Months and months and monthssss of preparation and research led me to getting JTR's. Cant thank you guys enough for all the help!


Work left to be done to room:
Velvet on the side walls and to the left and right of screen
Paint the door on the right black
Black carpet under screen
Acoustic panels




TO BE CONTINUED.......
Congrats and your room is looking good. Welcome to the collective.
Naylorman32 likes this.

Nabs17
Nabs17 is offline  
post #29616 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 03:48 PM
Advanced Member
 
dragonleepenn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Usa
Posts: 624
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 118 Post(s)
Liked: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabs17 View Post
Peter...I've always thought your room was beautiful. I also have Volt 6's as heights and I agree they keep up well. When I do upgrade to Atmos/DTS:X I'm not sure I'll use the Volt's then but we'll see.
I like the volt '6's, BUT, I would prefer JTR's and if a jtr solution comes up I'd be on board.
Rob(RMK ) is right,I believe great power/lower crossover will enhance playback. It's needed in the 3D formats, great flexibility
will be important. There's always the room layout and spouse acceptance or...not! Big speakers can be a turn off for some people,
Of course not for me. I love big intrusive speakers that perform, I must admit I'm also into lots of speakers in my room.
Nabs thanks about my room,I've been digging your digs pretty them nice...
I may just get some t8's and mount them, this way they'll match my side and rear's they are only 7"5"s deep. It would work though heavy.



PeterV
dragonleepenn is offline  
post #29617 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 03:59 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Reefdvr27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Cape May, NJ (South Jersey)
Posts: 3,825
Mentioned: 39 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1204 Post(s)
Liked: 754
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgage View Post
I wish we had crossed them over instead of running them full range. The single 15" just couldn't keep up with what was being asked of them. I forget who was doing the measurements but I thought there were some definite issues with the signal reproduction below 40 Hz and the person measuring confirmed that. My mind was so focused on those issues that I couldn't sit back and appreciate what is supposed to be a strength of the M2 in the new, special compression driver. I plan to order a couple of the JBL D2430K compression drivers so I can evaluate it on its own. So at this point, I really don't have an opinion on the M2 but would definitely like to hear them again.
I thought they sounded good. But for the price, amps, etc..I just really did not hear anything earth shattering. Still I would like a very good demo and like you, I would like to hear them crossed and full range, but till then… I was actually blow away by the JTR's and dual OS demo. Like you, I just love the top end in the 212HT's and that is why I still own them! I guess if I was really into music, which I am, but I don't really sit down all that often and listen as I am probably 80% HT, I would probably look to a studio monitor like the M2 if I was 100% music. I know for awhile I was listening to allot of music when I got the 215RT's, but that has slowly dissipated. I am looking to get back into more music and I have been eyeing up the Sony HAP-Z1ES and I think I am going to get it. It will be nice to put all my music on that baby and sit back and get back into some music again.

Last edited by Reefdvr27; 06-04-2015 at 04:04 PM.
Reefdvr27 is offline  
post #29618 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 05:16 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dlbeck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 1,426
Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 246 Post(s)
Liked: 290
Naylorman32 - congrats on the room. Looking great!!! You will love the S2
Naylorman32 likes this.
dlbeck is offline  
post #29619 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 05:52 PM
AVS Special Member
 
lbrown105's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 1,243
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 377 Post(s)
Liked: 203
Quote:
Originally Posted by Naylorman32 View Post
Just thought I would show you guys how my progress on my JTR theater is coming. I had my screen (138") and projector (600ES) installed this afternoon.

You can see my 212's and the 228 just sitting in place to get an idea of their size for the room. The 228 will be horizontal on some sort of stand and tilted upwards slightly. Nothing has been hooked up yet, so I can't wait to spend the weekend testing them out! I also got my Slanted 8's from Jeff yesterday.

The SVS subwoofers will HOPEFULLY be replaced with a JTR S2 in the coming weeks.

I'll post some pictures in a dedicated thread once everything is done! I cant tell you how excited I am. Months and months and monthssss of preparation and research led me to getting JTR's. Cant thank you guys enough for all the help!


Work left to be done to room:
Velvet on the side walls and to the left and right of screen
Paint the door on the right black
Black carpet under screen
Acoustic panels




TO BE CONTINUED.......
great speakers and great projector too! Awesome set up congrats!
Naylorman32 likes this.

Pre-Pro: Emotiva XMC-1, DSP: Mini DSP 2x4 balanced
Amplifier: Sunfire TGA7400, Lab Gruppen FP10000Q
Speakers: JTR Noesis 212HT (LCR), JTR Slant 8's (surrounds), 3 Orbit Shifter LFU's
Sources: PS3, HTPC, Dish Network
Projector: Epson 8350
Screen: Seymour XD AT 138" diagonal 16:9
lbrown105 is offline  
post #29620 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 06:47 PM
Senior Member
 
theblackangus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 224
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 107 Post(s)
Liked: 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by Naylorman32 View Post
Just thought I would show you guys how my progress on my JTR theater is coming. I had my screen (138") and projector (600ES) installed this afternoon.

You can see my 212's and the 228 just sitting in place to get an idea of their size for the room. The 228 will be horizontal on some sort of stand and tilted upwards slightly. Nothing has been hooked up yet, so I can't wait to spend the weekend testing them out! I also got my Slanted 8's from Jeff yesterday.

The SVS subwoofers will HOPEFULLY be replaced with a JTR S2 in the coming weeks.

I'll post some pictures in a dedicated thread once everything is done! I cant tell you how excited I am. Months and months and monthssss of preparation and research led me to getting JTR's. Cant thank you guys enough for all the help!


Work left to be done to room:
Velvet on the side walls and to the left and right of screen
Paint the door on the right black
Black carpet under screen
Acoustic panels




TO BE CONTINUED.......
Nice, Looks great man!
And you reminded me to watch star wars again =)
Nice choice of content for your pics!
theblackangus is offline  
post #29621 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 06:54 PM
AVS Special Member
 
asoofi1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: South Riding, VA
Posts: 1,423
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 721 Post(s)
Liked: 283
Quote:
Originally Posted by RMK! View Post
I just posted about this in the Best Atmos Speaker Thread and the issue is more than just keeping up. The new 3D audio formats are going to require more low frequency performance from the surround e.g ceiling speakers. I installed JBL 8340A with a 10" woofer and separate CD/horn as my 4 ceiling surround speakers, The JBL's play down to <50hz (Audyssey set them to 40hz) and I have found that kind of extension is necessary for the ceiling speakers based upon the content that is being delivered to them using Atmos and DSU. With DTS-X on the horizon and it's own upmixer, this requirement will only make it more imperative to have capable surrounds along with more subwoofer's positioned around the room for this purpose.

Having surrounds that have to be crossed over above 80hz just isn't going to cut it. Even 80 hz is pushing is as I find subs localizeable at 80hz and above. This is new ground that we are treading and once you have experienced Atmos done reasonably well it is not unlike going from a big flat screen to a FP system with an AT screen. I think 3D audio is here to stay and for 3D audio to work optimally, you will need some robust surrounds.

So I would advise any speaker designer to go back to the drawing board and build something like my JBL's (preferably better). Not an easy task but could pay off if done right.
I remember reading that basically a full range may be required for overheads, but didn't give it too much weight...I was thinking if one has enough extension coming from the subs, why worry about any of the surrounds going low. Now that you mention it again, I'm thinking it could be so certain lower frequency effects from overheads could be localized...such as thunder and other bass that would be above realistically...so makes sense in this regard....

Sounds like I may need to start looking for 40hz capable overheads...8340a perhaps. My s8lp (80Hz?) nor my eD6c (?Hz)won't cut it.

---------------------------------------------------------------
current gear: JTR 212HT ~ JTR 8LP ~ JTR Orbit Shifters LFU ~ Elemental Designs eD6c ~ Marantz SR7008 ~ PT-AE8000U ~ Elite 176" 2.35 ATS
asoofi1 is online now  
post #29622 of 30161 Old 06-04-2015, 07:15 PM
Member
 
Naylorman32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 145
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by theblackangus View Post
Nice, Looks great man!
And you reminded me to watch star wars again =)
Nice choice of content for your pics!

Did you REALLY think I would test out my new system with any movie not named Star Wars??
Naylorman32 is offline  
post #29623 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 06:47 AM
Ace of Bass
 
beastaudio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western NC
Posts: 9,326
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1748 Post(s)
Liked: 1401
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post
I thought they sounded good. But for the price, amps, etc..I just really did not hear anything earth shattering. Still I would like a very good demo and like you, I would like to hear them crossed and full range, but till then… I was actually blow away by the JTR's and dual OS demo. Like you, I just love the top end in the 212HT's and that is why I still own them! I guess if I was really into music, which I am, but I don't really sit down all that often and listen as I am probably 80% HT, I would probably look to a studio monitor like the M2 if I was 100% music. I know for awhile I was listening to allot of music when I got the 215RT's, but that has slowly dissipated. I am looking to get back into more music and I have been eyeing up the Sony HAP-Z1ES and I think I am going to get it. It will be nice to put all my music on that baby and sit back and get back into some music again.
That sony thing seems like a cool unit, but is pricey! Wow. My belief system is still that restoration of "lost" information from compressed files is just that....a lost cause. Looking at the stats, all things upconverted to DSD sounds fun, I just don't know if it is $2k worth of fun. I still have a 3TB drive and a NAS sitting in storage I have had for a year and never installed. Seems a much cheaper way to have access to all your music though

I know after this post some audiophile is gonna come in here and slap me
RMK! likes this.

(European models do not accept banana plugs.)
 
HT seats for sale!
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/211-ac...seat-rows.html
Beast's DIY Master Measurement Thread
beastaudio is offline  
post #29624 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 07:12 AM
AVS Special Member
 
countryWV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Huntington West Virginia
Posts: 1,607
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Liked: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post
I know after this post some audiophile is gonna come in here and slap me
I'm pretty sure your safe on this thread.
RMK! and asoofi1 like this.

Chris


For Sale: LCR X 3 2012 JTR Triple 12 Excellent condition
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-au...iple-12-a.html
countryWV is offline  
post #29625 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 07:32 AM
Señor Member
 
RMK!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 95608
Posts: 6,745
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 926 Post(s)
Liked: 763
Quote:
Originally Posted by asoofi1 View Post
I remember reading that basically a full range may be required for overheads, but didn't give it too much weight...I was thinking if one has enough extension coming from the subs, why worry about any of the surrounds going low. Now that you mention it again, I'm thinking it could be so certain lower frequency effects from overheads could be localized...such as thunder and other bass that would be above realistically...so makes sense in this regard....

Sounds like I may need to start looking for 40hz capable overheads...8340a perhaps. My s8lp (80Hz?) nor my eD6c (?Hz)won't cut it.
Well I have staked out a minority position on this one (seems to be my MO) so be careful and try the S8's and or eD6c's before you commit. Unless of course you come across a deal like I did on the 8340A's. I'd like to see what Jeff could come up with perhaps using the very capable 10 woofer in the 210 and a coaxial CD in a cabinet similar to the 8340 (e.g. 20° front baffle) . It would be spendy and that might be a show stopper but I'd be interested so he could sell at least 4 of em .

HToM Extraordinary Evolution

Opinions are not facts.
RMK! is online now  
post #29626 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 07:59 AM
Señor Member
 
RMK!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 95608
Posts: 6,745
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 926 Post(s)
Liked: 763
This interesting post by Bill Fiztmaurice in another thread is talking about speaker efficiency/fidelity. It really puts in perspective why that expensive CD Jeff uses is so essential to the success of his designs. Old Bill is a curmudgeon but I like him (and we have similar signature lines) .
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by PrimeTime View Post
There is a serious thread, posted by the resident AVS HiFi reviewer, for the Behringer B215XL. Plastic, and about $200 (just went up a little). Haven't heard it, but I expect it is decent.Quote:

That depends on the reviewer's definition of 'decent'. The main shortcoming of cheap PA speakers is that they tend to use too large a woofer in too small a cabinet for it to function as well as possible, along with a HF section that's crossed over way too high. The B215XL is no exception. The cabinet is perhaps half the volume that a fifteen requires to get the lows that a fifteen is capable of delivering. The crossover to the HF horn is at 2kHz, a full octave higher than a fifteen should be run, as fifteens will start beaming around 1kHz. I'm sure it works about as well as any other PA speaker in that price range, but frankly that doesn't say much. You really do get what you pay for. OTOH you don't need to spend $5k for a well engineered PA speaker any more than you need to spend $5k for a well engineered hi-fi speaker. JTR would be one example, and unlike Klipsch, they really do have 100dB sensitivity.
Like
Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design

The Laws of Physics aren't swayed by opinion.
staaled, asoofi1 and countryWV like this.

HToM Extraordinary Evolution

Opinions are not facts.

Last edited by RMK!; 06-05-2015 at 08:04 AM.
RMK! is online now  
post #29627 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 08:28 AM
Señor Member
 
RMK!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 95608
Posts: 6,745
Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 926 Post(s)
Liked: 763
Quote:
Originally Posted by dgage View Post
I do not like running my subs over 80 Hz either as I can localize subs over 80 Hz as well. For just front subs I can get away with a little higher but anywhere else in the room I prefer to cross them at 60-80.



Great advice and one I wasn't aware of since I haven't spent much time with the new 3d formats. Thanks.
I've got an even better piece of advice for you. Hire Bill Fitzmaurice as a consultant on any speaker designs you are considering. I believe in the 10,000 hour rule (Outliers) in a general theory sort of way.
dgage and asoofi1 like this.

HToM Extraordinary Evolution

Opinions are not facts.

Last edited by RMK!; 06-05-2015 at 03:14 PM.
RMK! is online now  
post #29628 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 08:53 AM
Member
 
Landmonster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 16
How to start a new JTR system from scratch (2015)

Hi guys.

If I start building a new JTR system, later on this year (within the next 6-12 months).... where do you recommend I start?

Given the cost of JTRs, I probably can't afford more than 3-4 speakers at first. As such, I can't afford a full 5.1 or 7.2 system now, or anything like that..... but I could probably swing a 2.1, 2.2, or 3.1, or 3.0. I'd add extra subs or speakers later, incrementally.

With that said... what would be the most intelligent way to start?

Obviously I need at least 2 mains to start.
  • What would be a good choice for the 2 mains? .... 228s, 212s, something else from JTR? (Keep in mind, the first 2 mains could eventually be moved to surrounds, as budget permits... but I want everything in the future to still sonically match)


What should I add after the 2 mains?
  • 1 center + 1 sub?
  • 1 center, no sub?
  • 2 subs?
Landmonster is online now  
post #29629 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:10 AM
AVS Special Member
 
countryWV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Huntington West Virginia
Posts: 1,607
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Liked: 275
Start with a pair of 210RT and go from there. If you wan a sub make that your next choice, then center, and last surrounds. The phantom center the coaxial compression driver presents is un believable.
asoofi1 likes this.

Chris


For Sale: LCR X 3 2012 JTR Triple 12 Excellent condition
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-au...iple-12-a.html
countryWV is offline  
post #29630 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:13 AM
Member
 
Landmonster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by countryWV View Post
Start with a pair of 210RT and go from here. If you wan a sub make that your next choice then center and last surrounds. The phantom center the coaxial compression driver presents is un believable.
Fair enough. I noticed that the 210 RTs are almost identical in size to the Klipsch Rf-7iis that I used to own.... even as far as the same size woofers and speaker configuration.

Would the 210RTs produce substantially more bass than the RF-7iis? Would they be adequate without a sub?

Secondly, what center and surrounds are intended to match the 210RTs?
Landmonster is online now  
post #29631 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:20 AM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,723
Mentioned: 145 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1311 Post(s)
Liked: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by Landmonster View Post
Hi guys.

If I start building a new JTR system, later on this year (within the next 6-12 months).... where do you recommend I start?

Given the cost of JTRs, I probably can't afford more than 3-4 speakers at first. As such, I can't afford a full 5.1 or 7.2 system now, or anything like that..... but I could probably swing a 2.1, 2.2, or 3.1, or 3.0. I'd add extra subs or speakers later, incrementally.

With that said... what would be the most intelligent way to start?

Obviously I need at least 2 mains to start.
  • What would be a good choice for the 2 mains? .... 228s, 212s, something else from JTR? (Keep in mind, the first 2 mains could eventually be moved to surrounds, as budget permits... but I want everything in the future to still sonically match)


What should I add after the 2 mains?
  • 1 center + 1 sub?
  • 1 center, no sub?
  • 2 subs?

I have heard most of the line up from JTR and if I were in your shoes I would buy 2 210's hands down. They sound fantastic and also sound like a full range speaker when it comes to music. I was so impressed when I heard them a couple of months ago. If you buy 212's or 228's you wouldn't be able to listen to music without a sub, with the 210's it's not a problem at all.

Another thing about the 210's. When I saw them I thought, "wow, normal people could put these in a living room because they don't look huge!!" To me they looked like a tiny and "cute" version of my 215's. For their size they are capable of incredible amounts of bass.

Now, if you decide to get 2 speakers and a sub you could go with the 212's and then you could use an AVR to power the speakers instead of a separate amp.

Something about those 210's though... that would be my choice right now if I were buying speakers for my living room today.

Having said that, before you do anything go audition some JTR speakers. I remember back when you considering buying my 212's there was a guy in your town that posted that you could come listen to his JTR speakers. It should be in the classified thread, I can look it up if you need.
asoofi1 likes this.
carp is offline  
post #29632 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:20 AM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,723
Mentioned: 145 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1311 Post(s)
Liked: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by countryWV View Post
Start with a pair of 210RT and go from there. If you wan a sub make that your next choice, then center, and last surrounds. The phantom center the coaxial compression driver presents is un believable.
Ha, you beat me to it!!
countryWV likes this.
carp is offline  
post #29633 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:24 AM
AVS Special Member
 
countryWV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Huntington West Virginia
Posts: 1,607
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Liked: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by Landmonster View Post
Fair enough. I noticed that the 210 RTs are almost identical in size to the Klipsch Rf-7iis that I used to own.... even as far as the same size woofers and speaker configuration.

Would the 210RTs produce substantially more bass than the RF-7iis? Would they be adequate without a sub?

Secondly, what center and surrounds are intended to match the 210RTs?
More mid bass then the 212HT also. Subs are not required but may be preferred. This is something you can decide after owning the pair of 210RT.

The center would be the 210RM and as always any of the S8 series would be great for surrounds.

This would be a great 3 step buying process.
asoofi1 likes this.

Chris


For Sale: LCR X 3 2012 JTR Triple 12 Excellent condition
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-au...iple-12-a.html
countryWV is offline  
post #29634 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:28 AM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,723
Mentioned: 145 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1311 Post(s)
Liked: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by Landmonster View Post
Fair enough. I noticed that the 210 RTs are almost identical in size to the Klipsch Rf-7iis that I used to own.... even as far as the same size woofers and speaker configuration.

Would the 210RTs produce substantially more bass than the RF-7iis? Would they be adequate without a sub?

Secondly, what center and surrounds are intended to match the 210RTs?
I've heard the RF 7's, but I'm not sure about the bass comparison with the 210's. I would think that the 210's would have more bass capability because they can handle up to 2000 watts. I don't think the rf 7's can handle that much but not positive.

What would stand out the most would be the clairty of the midrange and highs on the 210's the compression driver on the 210's is much higher quality than what is used on the rf-7.
carp is offline  
post #29635 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:30 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
Mfusick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Western MA
Posts: 28,282
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 435 Post(s)
Liked: 1690
Subs should always be required
Mfusick is offline  
post #29636 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:34 AM
AVS Special Member
 
countryWV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Huntington West Virginia
Posts: 1,607
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 193 Post(s)
Liked: 275
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post
Subs should always be required
They are at my house.

Chris


For Sale: LCR X 3 2012 JTR Triple 12 Excellent condition
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/209-au...iple-12-a.html
countryWV is offline  
post #29637 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:37 AM
Member
 
Landmonster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 16
That sounds like a plan then. I will plan on getting 2 210RTs in a nice veneer finish as budget permits. I will then add a sub, center, and surrounds.

Or perhaps if I win the lottery, the 210s will become my surrounds for some 215s.
countryWV likes this.
Landmonster is online now  
post #29638 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:40 AM
Member
 
Landmonster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 14 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
I have heard most of the line up from JTR and if I were in your shoes I would buy 2 210's hands down. They sound fantastic and also sound like a full range speaker when it comes to music. I was so impressed when I heard them a couple of months ago. If you buy 212's or 228's you wouldn't be able to listen to music without a sub, with the 210's it's not a problem at all.

Another thing about the 210's. When I saw them I thought, "wow, normal people could put these in a living room because they don't look huge!!" To me they looked like a tiny and "cute" version of my 215's. For their size they are capable of incredible amounts of bass.

Now, if you decide to get 2 speakers and a sub you could go with the 212's and then you could use an AVR to power the speakers instead of a separate amp.

Something about those 210's though... that would be my choice right now if I were buying speakers for my living room today.

Having said that, before you do anything go audition some JTR speakers. I remember back when you considering buying my 212's there was a guy in your town that posted that you could come listen to his JTR speakers. It should be in the classified thread, I can look it up if you need.
I take it that you have listened to the 210s in person? Are you that impressed with them, vs other JTR offerings?

The 210 seems like the "mystery" JTR speaker.... almost noone has posted about them, and it seems like almost noone owns them (at least from what I have seen). Everyone seems to own the 228s, 212s, or 215 towers. This is odd to me, because the JTR 210 is the most "conventional" looking speaker in the JTR lineup. It looks almost the same size as many other commercial tower speakers, like the Rf-7iis.

The 228s and 212s are awkardly huge "bookshelf" type speakers that really can't be placed on a bookshelf... they require stands. The 215s are shockingly huge, and also very expensive... I'd assume that more people would own 210s.
Landmonster is online now  
post #29639 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 09:41 AM
AVS Special Member
 
carp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,723
Mentioned: 145 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1311 Post(s)
Liked: 902
Quote:
Originally Posted by Landmonster View Post
That sounds like a plan then. I will plan on getting 2 210RTs in a nice veneer finish as budget permits. I will then add a sub, center, and surrounds.

Or perhaps if I win the lottery, the 210s will become my surrounds for some 215s.

Nice choice, I'm a bit jealous. I would love to own a pair of the 210's for the living room, especially in a nice finish.
carp is offline  
post #29640 of 30161 Old 06-05-2015, 10:14 AM
Ace of Bass
 
beastaudio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western NC
Posts: 9,326
Mentioned: 95 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1748 Post(s)
Liked: 1401
Quote:
Originally Posted by carp View Post
Nice choice, I'm a bit jealous. I would love to own a pair of the 210's for the living room, especially in a nice finish.
If I ever dump the LS-6's I think they would be nice replacements. Get some bare cabinets from Jeff and do a custom veneer of some sort

(European models do not accept banana plugs.)
 
HT seats for sale!
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/211-ac...seat-rows.html
Beast's DIY Master Measurement Thread
beastaudio is offline  
Reply Speakers

Tags
215RT , 228ht , captivator , Jtr , Jtr Noesis 212ht 212ht Lp
Gear in this thread - 215RT by PriceGrabber.com

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off