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I had a lot of issues with the projector image moving during movies. It was really bad, it would move as much as 2-3 feet down on the screen and I had to keep going back to adjust during demo's.

I bought a larger board to mount the projector on. The old board was 12" by 18" and the new board is 24" by 36" spans more joists. It corrected the problem with my Epson 8350 and same result with my new 3500.



On the craziest of scenes like the SUV explosions on John Wick with the bass ran crazy hot there is some intense vibration/movement of the image but it stays perfectly in place, no need to correct it like before. I kind of like that movement. It hardly ever happens and only on the most intense scenes ran stupid hot. So much so that you wonder if it's the image that is shaking or if it is your eyeballs.
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We all know that there is no substitute for a first hand listening demo session.

For the past few years Jeff has been attending every GTG he can reasonably go to. If he cannot be there he makes sure his products are. When people hear these products they usually feel compelled to write some sort of mini-review for us all to read. That info is Invaluable.

Jeff has travelled a hard road to get JTR speakers where it is today. One of the biggest challenges is all the bad or mistaken info that gets thrown around on this forum.

A simple demo can clear up any misgivings about his products. In just about any part of the country a GTG or demo from a fellow JTR owner is very easy to make happen.
I actually meant nothing negative about JTR at all. That might have been unclear. I was talking generally and had another brand of speaker in mind. JTR likely has also benefited from "hype" at some point too but there is also nothing wrong with that.

My comment was that lack of information causes more speculation which then creates a kind of forum buzz which then leads noobs and causal readers to get forum boners.

To JTR credit I have reversed engineered in theory and made fun of a variety of speaker designs privately with some knowledgeable friends in conversation and with the intent to criticize and never once was one a JTR. The parts and execution are rather sound. I did not mean to crap in this thread, just a random thought I had. I find it ironic how lack of information sells a speaker.
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If someone is considering some JTR speakers Chris "countryWV" is offerring a a great deal for an awesome set of LCR T12 speakers - here is the link FOR SALE: LCR X 3 JTR 2012 Triple 12
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I actually meant nothing negative about JTR at all. That might have been unclear. I was talking generally and had another brand of speaker in mind. JTR likely has also benefited from "hype" at some point too but there is also nothing wrong with that.

My comment was that lack of information causes more speculation which then creates a kind of forum buzz which then leads noobs and causal readers to get forum boners.

To JTR credit I have reversed engineered in theory and made fun of a variety of speaker designs privately with some knowledgeable friends in conversation and with the intent to criticize and never once was one a JTR. The parts and execution are rather sound. I did not mean to crap in this thread, just a random thought I had. I find it ironic how lack of information sells a speaker.
That's cool man I didn't read it as negative. It was a good opportunity to point out how easy it is for anyone interested in JTR to attend a GTG or ask a fellow owner for a demo. There are a lot of owners around the country now compared to 5 years ago.

When it comes to speakers and Subs my problem is I like just about all of them. I try to take in to consideration what the designers goals are, build quality, and see if that combination leads to happily satisfied customers getting their moneys worth.
IMO this facial expression is what its all about.
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They have arrived!
Now the 215's are stuck in my garage until I get a small army to help me move them.
=)

So damn excited. Working tomorrow is gonna be tough.
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Ok sorry for all these price questions. But this is the place to go. How about 3 2009 t8's and 4 s8's cloth grille. 3000$
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Ok sorry for all these price questions. But this is the place to go. How about 3 2009 t8's and 4 s8's cloth grille. 3000$

That's not a bad deal for a seven speaker setup!
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That's not a bad deal for a seven speaker setup!
jB. I'm thinking to try them out (always wanted to try out JTR's) and to sell if need be
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They have arrived!
Now the 215's are stuck in my garage until I get a small army to help me move them.
=)

So damn excited. Working tomorrow is gonna be tough.
Congrats, if you lived near me I would help. Look forward to some pics.

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They have arrived!
Now the 215's are stuck in my garage until I get a small army to help me move them.
=)

So damn excited. Working tomorrow is gonna be tough.
Awesome BA!! Can't wait to hear them!! Invite coming soon I hope.
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Didn't take long to sell 6 slanted 8s they are sold thx everyone for looking.
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They have arrived!
Now the 215's are stuck in my garage until I get a small army to help me move them.
=)

So damn excited. Working tomorrow is gonna be tough.
Gooddoc taught me how to do it! Goto HomeDepot and invest in a 800lb hand truck. Then get some peg board and use zip ties to fasten it to the truck. Then take the speakers and load them on the hand truck and get some good ratchet straps and strap the speakers tight to the hand truck. Be sure to use a blanket so the ratchet straps don't ruin your finish on your speakers and don't over tighten, but make it secure. Then you can move them where ever you want. I pulled them up 3 steps backwards by myself. I had a friend just stand and make sure they did not tip over. It is best to have someone assist you, but you will be surprised at how easy you can move them yourself. This is a great way to move any speakers. Even better if they are in boxes, but we know there are no boxes to fit the 215's LOL
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Congrats, if you lived near me I would help. Look forward to some pics.
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Awesome BA!! Can't wait to hear them!! Invite coming soon I hope.
Most definitely. I still haven't made my choice on amps, so it will be a bit before Im they are read to rock. Gonna start with my Inuke and listen to some music tho. =)

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Gooddoc taught me how to do it! Goto HomeDepot and invest in a 800lb hand truck. Then get some peg board and use zip ties to fasten it to the truck. Then take the speakers and load them on the hand truck and get some good ratchet straps and strap the speakers tight to the hand truck. Be sure to use a blanket so the ratchet straps don't ruin your finish on your speakers and don't over tighten, but make it secure. Then you can move them where ever you want. I pulled them up 3 steps backwards by myself. I had a friend just stand and make sure they did not tip over. It is best to have someone assist you, but you will be surprised at how easy you can move them yourself. This is a great way to move any speakers. Even better if they are in boxes, but we know there are no boxes to fit the 215's LOL
Thanks Reef! However I need to make it down 14 stairs with them. So Im going to need a couple of people to help as I'm a weak nerd.

Pics will come once the 215's are in place (or near place).

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OH My GOSH! This is exactly how i would look like standing next to Rob...
Those guys look like a linebacker and a center
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Those guys look like a linebacker and a center
Let me tell you that tall skinny guy is no linebacker ...

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No the shorter guy,the tall one is the center!
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Well, I just created a rough mockup of the 212HTR* and... it is just too big for that space. So, I'm going to need either a 210HTR** or a 208HTR** (to coin some new model numbers).

I like the three-way, front-ported, coaxial horn design. If the 228HT*s had the coaxial driver (i.e., the 208HTR**?), then I would definitely go there. At 26.5" x 12.25" x 14", they would fit nicely, and at 70hz, would still cross over well with my existing subwoofer farm.

Extrapolating sizes, a 210HTR**, would probably be 34" x 14.25" x 14"... that's starting to push it, but would be, just barely, acceptable.

But, at 40" x 16.5" x 14", the 212HTR is just too big.

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Just go with the 210RT. You can't go wrong. Music and movies...you've got it all covered.
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They have arrived!
Now the 215's are stuck in my garage until I get a small army to help me move them.
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Gooddoc taught me how to do it! Goto HomeDepot and invest in a 800lb hand truck. Then get some peg board and use zip ties to fasten it to the truck. Then take the speakers and load them on the hand truck and get some good ratchet straps and strap the speakers tight to the hand truck. Be sure to use a blanket so the ratchet straps don't ruin your finish on your speakers and don't over tighten, but make it secure. Then you can move them where ever you want. I pulled them up 3 steps backwards by myself. I had a friend just stand and make sure they did not tip over. It is best to have someone assist you, but you will be surprised at how easy you can move them yourself. This is a great way to move any speakers. Even better if they are in boxes, but we know there are no boxes to fit the 215's LOL
Just so I can move speakers and for any JTR owners I just picked up this Milwaukee 800lb hand truck on sale yesterday from Sears for only $50...do in store pickup to save on shipping: https://m.sears.com/milwaukee-hand-t...p-00987611000P

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Just so I can move speakers and for any JTR owners I just picked up this Milwaukee 800lb hand truck on sale yesterday from Sears for only $50...do in store pickup to save on shipping: https://m.sears.com/milwaukee-hand-t...p-00987611000P
Thanks, I think I will pick on up tonight.
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The price for the 210rm and the 210rt have dropped.

210rm - USD 1999
210rt - USD 2299

The 210rt just became a whole lot more appealing!!!

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The price for the 210rm and the 210rt have dropped.

210rm - USD 1999
210rt - USD 2299

The 210rt just became a whole lot more appealing!!!
Nash23- I spent an hour or so listening to the 210rt's at Axpona. They were balanced and powerful. Nice highs and deep bass. I ended up purchasing 215rm's, but would have been very happy to own the 210's. Good luck with your decision and post pix if you get em.
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Nash23- I spent an hour or so listening to the 210rt's at Axpona. They were balanced and powerful. Nice highs and deep bass. I ended up purchasing 215rm's, but would have been very happy to own the 210's. Good luck with your decision and post pix if you get em.
What made you decide on the 215rm after listening extensively to the 210rt?

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What made you decide on the 215rm after listening extensively to the 210rt?
Sealed 15's a crossed the front along with 6 sealed Seaton subs (sealed 15's). I could have saved $ and gone with the 210's and been just as happy. I guess it was a what if moment…
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Sealed 15's a crossed the front along with 6 sealed Seaton subs (sealed 15's). I could have saved $ and gone with the 210's and been just as happy. I guess it was a what if moment…
I have 2 seaton subs as well (master/slave). Planning on having them at the rear of the room and switched on for movies only. Hoping to get my 210rm center delivered by end of next week. So i will have all 10s across the front. Kinda like DRC3 lite
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I am a little confused now. Do I stick with my existing emotiva xpa-2 for center, keep my xpa-1 amp for left channel and buy another xpa-1 for right channel OR

Do i sell both amps and get crown xls2 or xti2 amps across the front.

LR - 210rt
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They say that the xls2 2000 is 2100W at 4 ohms bridged, but not sure if there is a little exaggeration in the sales talk.

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I am a little confused now. Do I stick with my existing emotiva xpa-2 for center, keep my xpa-1 amp for left channel and buy another xpa-1 for right channel OR

Do i sell both amps and get crown xls2 or xti2 amps across the front.

LR - 210rt
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They say that the xls2 2000 is 2100W at 4 ohms bridged, but not sure if there is a little exaggeration in the sales talk.
I hear nothing but good feed back on the xls. I was planning on going with 3 2000 bridge for each of my 215's. But went with the Inukes. Very good amps for the price. Though before any external power I've used my avr to run them for a little while. And did the job quite well. I say run the xpa's first and see if you like them before purchasing another xpa.
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I hear nothing but good feed back on the xls. I was planning on going with 3 2000 bridge for each of my 215's. But went with the Inukes. Very good amps for the price. Though before any external power I've used my avr to run them for a little while. And did the job quite well. I say run the xpa's first and see if you like them before purchasing another xpa.
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Just go with the 210RT. You can't go wrong. Music and movies...you've got it all covered.
You know, just looking at the numbers, it doesn't seem like the 210RTs are that much bigger than my B&W 803s. The dimensions are 43"x12.25x16.5 vs 40"x10"x13". The comparative volumes, however, are 8691in^3 vs 5200 in^3! That doesn't look right, but it is... and, it's a 67% increase in volume!

Notwithstanding those cold, hard facts, on the floor the 803s don't feel like they're taking up much room, so perhaps the 210RTs, on the floor, wouldn't feel too big. Then I would place the third on the little dais behind the screen, and the high frequency centers would be, more or less, on the same line. Certainly better than what I have right now. I'd have to leave those curtains open (under the screen), or change the curtain material (significantly)... Man, do I like the idea of 38hz-24khz from the LCRs.

I don't know. I keep trying to convince myself that one of the 210 or 212 choices would work out, but... they don't. No, I just have to accept that my little theater has always been a place of compromise. The 228HTs are what I'm going to have to go with. However, that's only a compromise for options chosen from within the JTR product line. When looked at in a more absolute sense, it's not a compromise at all.

So... now I need to come up with a swing-away mount arrangement for the L speaker, since it will occupy the space directly in front of the equipment rack.

I'm going to re-post my theater picture again... with the 228s penciled in:



So, I can attach to a point on the wall just below the screen, with a mount that supports the speaker from below and has a single articulation (at the wall), that would let the speaker swing to the right when I need access to the rack, and back into place for normal operation. Something like:



Only upside down, and with some added verticality to bring the speaker up (sorry for taking grammatical liberty)... actually, I just this minute came across this, while searching on amazon for an example. This is made by Peavey, and I think it may be just the thing I'm looking for. I'll have to order one, and see if it can be made to work for me.

The R is no problem... for one thing, it doesn't have to move, and for another, I have some available wall space. Likewise, the C won't be a problem.

Jeff and I are currently in the process of getting me 3 228s... I've got 4-5 weeks to figure out this mount.

- s.west

p.s. If you have any ideas for the L's mount, please chime in...

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I am a little confused now. Do I stick with my existing emotiva xpa-2 for center, keep my xpa-1 amp for left channel and buy another xpa-1 for right channel OR

Do i sell both amps and get crown xls2 or xti2 amps across the front.

LR - 210rt
C - 210rm

They say that the xls2 2000 is 2100W at 4 ohms bridged, but not sure if there is a little exaggeration in the sales talk.
The XPA-2 will power a pair of 210RT full range without flinching. Trading it for the Crown would be a lateral movement.
Just recently I sold my XPA-2 but kept the XLS-2000 for when I take my speakers outside. I use a D-Sonic M2-1500 for my HT.
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