Pinnacle Speakers ( Official Page ) - Page 12 - AVS | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!


Forum Jump: 
 1Likes
Reply
Thread Tools
post #331 of 354 Old 03-14-2015, 12:44 PM
Newbie
 
eranical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 11
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 1
Wasn't there a bd750 for left and right towers.
eranical is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #332 of 354 Old 03-14-2015, 12:45 PM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by eranical View Post
Wasn't there a bd750 for left and right towers.
Yes, they are available but not on sale at the moment. They will pop up on Woot.com occasionally.

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
post #333 of 354 Old 03-14-2015, 11:10 PM
AVS Club Gold
 
biliam1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Posts: 914
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Liked: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post
They should just fine (would actually sound pretty good). If you place the L/R vertically, just make sure you make them mirror images of each other (i.e. have the tweeters on the inside for both L/R). It's a great speaker and on sale via Woot.com right now for 75% off.

http://electronics.woot.com/offers/p...ef=cnt_wp_3_22
I would need to place them all horizontally.

Do you think that would work?
biliam1982 is offline  
post #334 of 354 Old 03-15-2015, 09:36 AM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post
I would need to place them all horizontally.

Do you think that would work?
Yes, they should work just fine. Are you putting them in shelves? If so, just make sure the front baffle of the speaker is just in front of the face of the shelf (so not recessed into a shelf).

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
post #335 of 354 Old 03-15-2015, 10:30 AM
Newbie
 
musicjunkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 8
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 0
[quote=cavchameleon;32614529]They should just fine (would actually sound pretty good). If you place the L/R vertically, just make sure you make them mirror images of each other (i.e. have the tweeters on the inside for both L/R). It's a great speaker and on sale via Woot.com right now for 75% off.


That's exactly what I was planning to do,and at that price it's almost a no brainer,as well as a 10 yr. warranty as woot is a authorized dealer of pinnacle.
musicjunkie is offline  
post #336 of 354 Old 03-15-2015, 01:48 PM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
[quote=musicjunkie;32636657]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post
They should just fine (would actually sound pretty good). If you place the L/R vertically, just make sure you make them mirror images of each other (i.e. have the tweeters on the inside for both L/R). It's a great speaker and on sale via Woot.com right now for 75% off.


That's exactly what I was planning to do,and at that price it's almost a no brainer,as well as a 10 yr. warranty as woot is a authorized dealer of pinnacle.
I think you're good to go then. Post your experience with them. Woot is actually a division of Amazon. I've ordered a lot of stuff from them (including some Pinnacle speakers and subs), they're pretty safe.

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
post #337 of 354 Old 04-01-2015, 12:39 PM
Member
 
AverageJoeAudio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Pinnacle is on sale again at woot. $499 for the BD2500's

http://electronics.woot.com/plus/you...1?ref=cnt_wp_4

Anyone have any idea on when a new line is expected or if Pinnacle is finally going under?
AverageJoeAudio is offline  
post #338 of 354 Old 04-01-2015, 12:50 PM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
I never heard of them going under. They just don't have a lot of outlets for selling, mostly via internet through a few vendors. Here is the latest news on them (2-5-2015):

http://www.twice.com/news/financial/...rategies/55922

When purchased through sales via Woot, the quality is incredible for the price (the OEM price is not great though, too much competition if sold at those prices).

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
post #339 of 354 Old 04-01-2015, 12:52 PM
Newbie
 
eranical's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 11
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked: 1
I think the oem prices are just inflated. I doubt anyone would buy them at that price. However for the woot prices I think they are a no brainer.
eranical is online now  
post #340 of 354 Old 04-02-2015, 08:08 AM
Member
 
xhattan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by AverageJoeAudio View Post
Pinnacle is on sale again at woot. $499 for the BD2500's
Specs on this speakers look phenomenal for the Price. But do they really deliver?
xhattan is offline  
post #341 of 354 Old 04-02-2015, 10:00 AM
Member
 
AverageJoeAudio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by xhattan View Post
Specs on this speakers look phenomenal for the Price. But do they really deliver?
I think that the larger BD 750's and 2500's. A little on the HT side of things but I enjoy mine very much.
AverageJoeAudio is offline  
post #342 of 354 Old 04-02-2015, 04:02 PM
AVS Club Gold
 
biliam1982's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Daytona Beach, FL
Posts: 914
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Liked: 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post
Yes, they should work just fine. Are you putting them in shelves? If so, just make sure the front baffle of the speaker is just in front of the face of the shelf (so not recessed into a shelf).
Sorry for the late reply. They would be on a stand. Not enclosed in any way.
biliam1982 is offline  
post #343 of 354 Old 04-02-2015, 09:17 PM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post
Sorry for the late reply. They would be on a stand. Not enclosed in any way.
That would work just great then.

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
post #344 of 354 Old 04-02-2015, 09:19 PM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by xhattan View Post
Specs on this speakers look phenomenal for the Price. But do they really deliver?
They are pretty close to their specified specs, but you still need to use a sub (the best position for mains is never the best place for bass response, so subs really are needed even with 'full range' speakers). Also, subs are really designed well for the lower bass regions so it's better to take the load off of the mains.

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
post #345 of 354 Old 05-13-2015, 03:28 PM
Member
 
AverageJoeAudio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 25
I wanted to share my review of the Pinnacle DB 500's. I've had a complete 5.2 system with the BD2500, BD750 and BD700 along with 2 Baby Boomers. I enjoy this set up very much and have done just some quick measurements of the larger in the series and they are pretty smooth, though not flat. There is a upward trend in the output as you work up the frequency range. They are fun exciting speakers, but they aren't studio monitors.

Here is the link to my review.

http://averagejoeaudiophile.blogspot...500-redux.html

Pinnacle BD 500: REDUX


It has been almost exactly a year since I posted my first review and comparisons of the Pinnacle BD 500's. At that time I liked them well enough, but found them to be missing something when compared to the Definitive Technology SM 350 (which I still think is a great and exciting to listen to speaker). In the last year I've learned a lot and gotten better at measuring and listening. So one year later why not revisit and see if I still feel the same.

I have been a big fan of Pinnacle and currently run the larger BD 2500 towers, BD 750 bookshelf and BD 700 center speakers in my home theater. (Someday I'll get a review of at least the BD 750 bookshelf speakers.) With the incoming Dolby Atmos standard I wanted to prepare to use it by getting a few pairs of matching of Pinnacle BD 500 bookshelfs to use as ceiling mounted speakers. The BD 500's share only the tweeter with its larger sibling bookshelf speakers (BD 750/650), but I was hoping for some relative similarly in sound.

I bought this pair second hand, and I believe them to be an earlier revision to the series II that I bought on Woot previously. While the cones of the mid ranges look the same, they mount differently, the baskets are different, and magnets appear to be also. I don't have the tools to test TS parameters to verify any further. Tweeters are lacking what looked like a heat sink on the back of the magnet that my original one had, and the crossovers are also different. To that end, without getting another pair and with nearly a year between this and my last experience with them; this isn't a perfect revisiting of that previous review.

Full Speaker Disassembly Album

The Pinnacle BD 500 remains a good looking little black speaker. If you are in to the high gloss look, these easily match and beat the Definitive Technology SM 350 and TEAC LS-H265. The finish is thicker than just paint, having seen one the finish crack after a pair of BD 500 OW's fell from their mount, the finish itself is probably 2mm thick. It's very nice.


H


Detailed Measurements Album

Here is what Sound and Vision got when they reviewed a Pinnacle BD based 5.1 system. The BD 500 is the red trace.



The whole review can be seen here: http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...speaker-system

As you can it's got some nice waves to it. How close did I get to replicating that? Pretty close.

Below are the close mic measurements.



Something different and bad seems to be going on with this crossover design choices. Pinnacle lists the X-Over point at 5 kHz. From the measurements it looks like the midrange is crossed over at 5khz, but the tweeter is crossed over at 2 khz. As seen in the 1m measurements. I think that this overlap maybe responsible for the excessive null between 2khz and 5khz
Below are the @1m measurements. Both individual driver and full speaker.


Below is a comparison with the Pioneer BS22 @1m



I used the Pioneer as my main comparison speaker. They are common, and pretty good for the money. Thought a bit warm and can be muddy. The Pioneers are clearly the superior speaker here. The grills remain a killer, but we are acceptably flat from 400 hz on.

Listening impressions


While nothing is particularly harsh sounding, something always seems missing when listening to music on the Pinnacle BD 500's. Voices are very forward.
This isn't meant to be a direct comparison between the Pinnacles and another pair of speakers, but I used the much loved Pioneer BS22's for any AB testing. The Pioneers are not perfect, but they are a great budget choice for many and very easily found online and in retail stores.

The Heavy - Short Change Hero
For anyone who has played Boarderlands 2 you already know this song. A slow, melodic song, thick with guitars and bass. When the song breaks from it's slow, The Good The Bad and The Ugly esq into at the 1:24 mark, all the impact that should be associated with it is lost. Kelvin Swaby has a wonderfully unique voice, and while for the most part it seems to be reproduced well enough, at times it's the lower regions have been sucked out and are missing.

Petey Pablo - Part 2
I've always like this song, and I've used it in the past because of Petey's deep gravelly voice has been easy to get wrong in other speakers (JBL Loft 30). When nothing else is going on the Pinnacles seem to do that well enough during the intro. Once the main part of the song starts it is a whole other story. Again, it is still Petey, but now he is well behind some really loud high hat ticks, and a xylophone or something. The level of treble become very over baring quickly here. I can imagine this being problematic to any 2000's rap track.

Justin Timberlake - Suit & Tie
The oddball song of the group. At first I wasn't sure I hadn't switched back to the Pinnacles. Everything sounded ok at first. There was reasonable and clean bass. But even though Justin Timberlake's singing voice is a bit higher than many, soon you could pick up where it's fullness was lacking and even the first time I could pick up on anything being truly harsh sounding. When Jay-Z has his verse, it is noticeably thin doesn't carry the weight that it should. But even on the Pinnacles, the sound was still enjoyable and in some ways better than the performance of the Pioneer BS22's, which much cleaner, less muddy bass, though not as deep.

Billy Idol - Rebel Yell
If you don't love this song then you're no one I want to know. A classic rock song, that should be on everyone quintessential 80's play list. I don’t think there is a lot going on in the upper registers here. So the increased tweeter output wasn't much of a factor here. But there is a distinct lack of fullness in the Billy Idol's voice, a little like it's coming out of a tin can. The eclectic guitars are also underwhelming.

Five Finger Death Punch - House of the Rising Sun
Up to this point, in every song I listened to you can at least hear the instruments. Maybe they were too bright, or too mellow, but at least they were there somewhere. In House of the Rising Sun, they are just straight up missing. One of the guitars (the deeper, probably drop D tuned one) is just gone. Not represented at all. Strange to hear such a major difference to the whole song, more than just what's emphasized and what's not.

I could continue with a list of a dozen more tracks, but the overall results are similar across the gamut.

TL;DR


I wanted to really like the Pinnacle BD 500's. They were one of the first non big box store speakers I tested and at that time and thought they compared pretty well. I do run a 5.2 Home Theater consisting of the all big brother speakers in the Black Diamond line and have been very happy. They are a HT speaker though, and aren't board flat, but have a pretty gentle upward trend that makes them exciting but not offensive.

But I would avoid the BD 500's, I have learned a good bit since I last reviewed these speakers and can no longer have them on a list to recommend to people. Much better speakers are more easily accessible and can be had for less.
AverageJoeAudio is offline  
post #346 of 354 Old 05-13-2015, 06:01 PM
Newbie
 
brittania's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
BD500s

fwiw, my recent BD500s SPL curves are below; they seem more evenly balanced between low, mid & highs than the curves above but that may be due to RTA instead of FFT swept sine wave test modes (RTA takes room into account while FFT simluates an anechoic environment which nobody really listens in..). Also, being rear vented, the bass response can vary greatly (and is therefore adjustable to some extent) based on how closely they are placed to the wall behind them.
my .02,
b
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Untitled-1.jpg
Views:	21
Size:	84.1 KB
ID:	715850  
brittania is offline  
post #347 of 354 Old 05-19-2015, 08:04 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Hi ..I'm new here and have a question regarding the SuperSonic Duel 12" sub.
I recently purchased 2 of these on WOOT they cost $459 after tax and shipping each, and I'm very pleased with everything about these subs. My question is this, in the pictures of the sub on Woot apparently taken from Pinnacles website it shows the back of the sub with the model # SuperSonic . The subs I received came new in Pinnacle cartons stating SuperSonic Duel 12" but the back of the subs it states Q632 where the model number should be listed. Everything else looks like the pictures and like I said I'm happy with their performance.
So I Email woot questioning this, and after a few Emails they had no explanation and sugested I contact Pinnacle, so when I registered the subs I clicked the contact link and nothing happened . So I found two different phone numbers and tried to call, resulting "number no longer in service" for both numbers.
The upside is woot offered a complete refund and RMA back to them, or a partial refund on the subs. I chose the refund so payed $395 each, what I think is a Great deal on these subs.
So after all that I'm still looking for an answer to the question Q632? Any help would be apprecated and thanks to anyone taking the time to read this.
uthiker is offline  
post #348 of 354 Old 05-19-2015, 12:19 PM
Newbie
 
brittania's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Did you try emailing service@pinnaclespeakers.com? I've always gotten a quick reply that way. Since there's no Q632 sub anywhere on their site it must not be a model #?
brittania is offline  
post #349 of 354 Old 05-19-2015, 02:09 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Yes thats the link I clicked on that did nothing..Thanks for you reply
uthiker is offline  
post #350 of 354 Old 05-19-2015, 07:08 PM
Newbie
 
brittania's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 7
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
It may only work if you are on a computer w/an email program installed..anyway you can just email them at that address; don't need no link to send an email!
brittania is offline  
post #351 of 354 Old 05-20-2015, 01:06 PM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by brittania View Post
It may only work if you are on a computer w/an email program installed..anyway you can just email them at that address; don't need no link to send an email!
Thanks ... That did work ...Pinnacles response " The Q632 is the SuperSonic". I'm glad I questioned it on woot. Turned a good deal into a great one. I must wonder why Pinnacle puts Q632 on this sub but pictures it with SuperSonic on the name plate.
uthiker is offline  
post #352 of 354 Old 05-20-2015, 02:41 PM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
The Q632 may be the amp itself. Most sub manufactures do not make their own amp and have their name simply put on it.

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
post #353 of 354 Old Yesterday, 07:06 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by cavchameleon View Post
The Q632 may be the amp itself. Most sub manufactures do not make their own amp and have their name simply put on it.
I received another email from Pinnacle. He said Q632 is there model number for the Supersonic. This has an A-B amp and I believe it is manufactured my Pinnacle.
uthiker is offline  
post #354 of 354 Unread Today, 09:24 PM
AVS Special Member
 
cavchameleon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Posts: 1,772
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 100 Post(s)
Liked: 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by uthiker View Post
I received another email from Pinnacle. He said Q632 is there model number for the Supersonic. This has an A-B amp and I believe it is manufactured my Pinnacle.
Good to know! Thanks

Ray

 

"Listen with an open heart and mind."

 

cavchameleon is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Speakers

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off