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A few months a go I bought Rocket 850s and Bigfoot, they are great music speakers. Unfortunately them nor more Paradigms or any other conventional speaker I've heard (i've heard tons) have been able to do what the Klipsch RF series did for me.

They brought every detail, whisper and note form background music and filled the room with it. Every other speaker still can reproduce this "background music, noises, etc" but it's much harder to hear and get lost in the action.

The Klipsch were way too bright so brought them back, but knowing some the the things horn designs can offer I've been wanting that back ever since returning the Klipsch.

So I'm back to horns. The Rockets are only 3 months old too! They are great music speakers but I'm looking for more as I'm 99% movies and games in my media room.

After reading about MKTheaters JBL Pro cinema setup and about how they blow away everything he's heard and had including the well respected JTRs... well I've got the upgrade bug again as I want to finally be satisfied and done with my room. I've got my wife on board with this too.

My room is 18' deep 14' wide and I sit 14' from a 120" screen. IB sub, Yamaha reciever with an Emotiva XPA-3 on the front 3. Accoustic panels floating floor.

My question is I'm debating on which JBL model to get
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/298658.html

this one is shallow but smaller and cheaper, has anyone had any experience with it.

This one is known here but it's deeper and cost a little more. I'm trying to get an idea of the sound difference between the two.
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/362962.html

I plan on ordering one speaker and putting it against my Rockets before I sale the Rockets.
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Budget? I've been looking too.

Check out jblpro.com for all of their lines. The 3677 is the least expensive I've found as well, but, I've not found many reviews of in home use.
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Budget? I've been looking too.

Check out jblpro.com for all of their lines. The 3677 is the least expensive I've found as well, but, I've not found many reviews of in home use.


Well, I took the plunge today and bought the 3 of the 3622n's and 4 of the 8340a's for surround... The mains should be here in less than a week but the others a little longer..I must be nuts!
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I hope you have the room and subs to back these up. Please do not judge these until you break the 15 inch woofers in. They are very stiff and require some time. When I first hooked them up I immediately threw in WOTW and set it to reference levels. I thought to myself I made a huge mistake. The midrange was gone. All I heard was highs from the horns and you can not return them. I thought I was screwed. I played about 6 straight WOTW's pod emerging scenes at reference levels and each time it got better(and no this was not getting used to them because they were aweful and there is no way I would get used to that). By the end of the demos they were singing with huge sound and visceral impact like no other. They seem like they get better everytime I hear them. I hope you like cinema sound because that is what you are going to get but with more highs because in your home they are not rolled off like in a cinema. They will have more resolution at home too. If they sound harsh to you at reference then you need an amp upgrade that can handle 2 ohms. Just my experience. Please let me know what you think.
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BTW, 4 of the surrounds are overkill because they put out big sound themselves.
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BTW, 4 of the surrounds are overkill because they put out big sound themselves.

I just wanted to keep my 7.1 setup...How do you have your rears set up? Do they run "full" or at "small"? Did you get the JBL mounts with yours or mount them some other way?
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I bought the mounts for them. I run them small(all of them) and I have my 2 surrounds in the back corners. I used to have 7.1 but went back to 5.1 for my room which sounds more full to me(for my room which has the back seats on the back wall).
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Well, I took the plunge today and bought the 3 of the 3622n's and 4 of the 8340a's for surround... The mains should be here in less than a week but the others a little longer..I must be nuts!

Wow! Thank god, someone else has "seen the light!"
Let us know what you think once yo get everything set up and broken in.
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I've been looking at another thread similar to the one I started. After hearing how 8340s perform so great as surrounds the topic came up about using them as mains. So earlier today I bought 2 of them and I'll put them head to head against my Rocket Bigfoot to see if it blows the Rockets away.

If It really shines I'll run 5 and later 7 of them, if not i'll just use them as surrounds and maybe get some JBL 3677 for the front 3.

On the other thread MKTheater said he'd run his surrounds as mains to see how they perform. I'm hoping they'll hold their own or outperform JTR triple 8s which is what I was thinking about getting before I stumbled onto the JBL Pro series.
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I am not sure if the 8340A's will outperform triple 8's, that could be a stretch.
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I am not sure if the 8340A's will outperform triple 8's, that could be a stretch.

I can always hope Maybe they'll surprise us!
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I am not sure if the 8340A's will outperform triple 8's, that could be a stretch.

Hey...You're the man to tell us since you had the T8's and still have the 8340's.

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I compare everything for HT and I only have 2 of these for 2 channel. I will ryn the same music though and see. The subs will be behind me with the surrounds in front(I will turn around and rewire my mains from the amps. The subs hit so hard it won't matter.
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I compare everything for HT and I only have 2 of these for 2 channel. I will ryn the same music though and see. The subs will be behind me with the surrounds in front(I will turn around and rewire my mains from the amps. The subs hit so hard it won't matter.

Well, since you don't HAVE to do anything, any comparative listening you do is much appreciated.

I've been looking at the 8340A's for a while now as surrounds, and I'm just about ready to go ahead and order them. If they can be used as mains, then great...but my main purpose is surrounds. I'd really be curious as to what you think they sound like compared to the Kilpsch KL-650's, since I've been eyeballing them as well.

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I compare everything for HT and I only have 2 of these for 2 channel. I will ryn the same music though and see. The subs will be behind me with the surrounds in front(I will turn around and rewire my mains from the amps. The subs hit so hard it won't matter.

Sounds great! Would it possible to try it as a center as well. The center being the anchor for a home theater I'm really curious how it's handle voices and such.

As sb1 said "any comparative listening you do is much appreciated.

" Thanks!
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Would it also be possible to build a theater in the back of a mobile home and haul it around to each of our homes so we could hear before we buy? I mean, if that's not asking too much :lol:

I do appreicate your effort and look forward to results. As far as center channel testing, I suspect that if they handle vocals in music well they should handle voice in film well too.
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OK guys I just swapped the L&R cables with my LS and RS cables and ran in stereo mode with my subs. I played male vocals and female vocals(the songs I tested all my other speakers with including Maggie's). I turned them up very loud to see what they could take as well. My speakers are aiming 15 degrees downward and toe in so they are not in an ideal location for main channel listening. I will just say this is my opinion only. It is not the word on these speakers.

Damn they sound good. Not bright( I am running an expensive processor and lots of power) at all. They sound big. Very clear. I would pick them over the KL-650. The triple 8's, I don't know. These do sound good. I sat around 7-8 feet away. I think it would be a subjective thing for which one they like better but for the price it is a no brainer. They impressed me so say the least.
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Damn they sound good. Not bright( I am running an expensive processor and lots of power) at all. They sound big. Very clear. I would pick them over the KL-650.

You know, you're not making things any easier for me. Just when I think I've made a decision, you go and post this.

Thanks a bunch for checking on this for us. Considering you're used to hearing the 3622's, I'm surprised you have such good things to say about the 8340's. Again, thanks.

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They surprised me to be honest.
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They surprised me to be honest.

That's not a bad thing. Just looking at the specs of the speakers themselves (and knowing what their application is), I guess it shouldn't really be surprising, though. I'm VERY close to ordering a pair and checking them out.

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MK, I get all the credit right? I mean, I did PM you a week or so about this

Thank you for doing this test, I think you've made up my mind for me. I've heard the 3x8 and 3x12 ( both at a live show, the 3x8 in a home theater) and I like the big sound. Thanks to Wager, I listened to some JBL stage monitors and they were great too... these little guys are the perfect price, perfect size and from what you're saying perfect sound... I want BIG BOLD DYNAMIC movie theater sound... I want the front stage to sound as one and this may be the ticket for this feller.

Thanks a million times!
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For $300 this speaker is very good. Remember you are comparing them to much more expensive speakers. I would not call them the best but for the price they are hard to beat and they beat speakers that cost much more. I only sat 7-8 feet away and farther away they lost some of their sizzle but they were aimed to be only 7 feet away. I have no doubt they will throw a farther image. I remember saying to myself that the KLipsch KL-650's were better for HT after listening to the same songs. The JBL's sound more like the Maggies than the klipsch which means good for music. If I had a 6.1 system I would have run them for a movie scene.
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For $300 this speaker is very good. Remember you are comparing them to much more expensive speakers. I would not call them the best but for the price they are hard to beat and they beat speakers that cost much more. I only sat 7-8 feet away and farther away they lost some of their sizzle but they were aimed to be only 7 feet away. I have no doubt they will throw a farther image. I remember saying to myself that the KLipsch KL-650's were better for HT after listening to the same songs. The JBL's sound more like the Maggies than the klipsch which means good for music. If I had a 6.1 system I would have run them for a movie scene.

what happened to posting some pictures when watching GI Joe the other nite?
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Didn't I send some pics to you via PM?
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BTW, GI Joe was awesome.
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BTW, GI Joe was awesome.

yea I got the one relating to the sono sub but I thought you were taking some pics of the movie showing..
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Oh, I will do that for the diy weekly db discussion thread. I was supposed to do that for cloverfield but I have not gotten to it yet.
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That's very impressive, but then again I kinda expected it after googling the 8340s. The are used like crazy in several large Multi-Plex Cinema installs and JBl refers to them as the following

"The JBL 8340A Surround has been the choice of theaters and post-production venues throughout the world and remains the standard of the new JBL Digital Surround Series.

The new 8320, new 8350, and 8340A Digital Surround Series models are THX® Approved."

Having to reach to the center of a 40+ foot wide theater takes a good speaker, our little rooms in comparison should be a breeze for them.

Mine ship out today, I can't wait to compare them side by side to the Rockets.
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They will sound different for sure. I don't think it will be close when you play a movie, especially with the 3622N's.
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They will sound different for sure. I don't think it will be close when you play a movie, especially with the 3622N's.

I hope it won't be close with 5 of the smaller, (but still big) 8340 ...

With the 8340 out performing Klipsch expensive THX 650s I'm sure a room full of them will give me a kick butt Ht that's closer to the real thing than anything Klipsch, Paradigm, or Rockets have been able to give me. After all, they are "the real thing".

If I want more I can always upgrade to the monsters you have (3622s) but I just hate to lose 20" of my room, but I could do it in a weekend, but as it is now I wish I'd built my theater about 4' deeper.
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