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I am having a hard time picking out a couple of fronts and a center and want to spend some money for a 3.0 system that is good. My situation is unique in that I do not have a dedicated home theater or a perfect room layout for a home theater since I move back and forth between school and home. I just want some better speakers to invest in than polks. So what would be some entry level high end speakers that I could further look into?
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I've been looking at BIC and EMPtek and people have been telling me I need to spend more
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Those are just plain entry level, not "entry level high end".

Maybe the TheKommissar should clarify ... are you looking for the high end of the entry level range of speakers, or speakers that are at the entry level of the high end? The first will be about $1500/pair, the second starts at about $5000/pair.
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Those are just plain entry level, not "entry level high end".

Maybe the TheKommissar should clarify ... are you looking for the high end of the entry level range of speakers, or speakers that are at the entry level of the high end? The first will be about $1500/pair, the second starts at about $5000/pair.

Yea I'm still new to all this and trying to wrap my head around everything but I was thinking maybe 1500 max for the 3
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I am having a hard time picking out a couple of fronts and a center and want to spend some money for a 3.0 system that is good. My situation is unique in that I do not have a dedicated home theater or a perfect room layout for a home theater since I move back and forth between school and home. I just want some better speakers to invest in than polks. So what would be some entry level high end speakers that I could further look into?

Revel Concerta series. Revel is one of the best speaker manufacturers on earth, and their 'entry level' is definitely the defining edge of the high end. The F12 would be a good tower to anchor the system. Read these interviews with Kevin Voecks, head of Revel. These guys are unsurpassed.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...ks-4-2004.html

http://www.soundstage.com/yfiles/yfiles200104.htm

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9. Shifting gears a little bit, I would like to talk about the Concerta series. I think many folks were pleasantly surprised to hear of Revel's plan to enter the value market segment. What were the driving factors in creating this new series?

The most frequently heard request from our dealers and international distributors has long been to provide "real" Revel loudspeakers at price points that are attainable for a larger number of music and film lovers. The response to the Concerta series has been tremendous. The comment I have heard most often is, "They truly have the Revel sound."

10. Trying to preserve the Revel sound while having to meet a lower price-point must have presented several challenges. What were some of the challenges that you encountered during the design process?

It is more challenging to make speakers that are true to the music at an affordable price range than if "cost is no object." The Concerta series is a wonderful example of the many advantages that we enjoy as part of such a large audio specialty company. As with all Revel loudspeakers, our transducer specialists utilized sophisticated design techniques, our system engineer took advantage of our state of-the-art anechoic measurement and analysis facilities, and we voiced the systems in our unique "Multichannel Listening Laboratory" under blind listening conditions. In addition, our company-owned production facility helps assure our strict quality standards while producing the speakers in an efficient manner. It is our philosophy to spend the customer's money wisely at every price point. Our world-leading research groups provide information that helps us target what makes an audible difference, without chasing after misguided audio "fads." The enclosure is the largest single expense for any loudspeaker.
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The word entry level for "High end" speakers is a Marketing ploy to get you to buy more of that company's junk, the quality really doesent Improve that much with most of those types of companies like *cough* Bowers and wilkins, the onl difference between the 600 series and the DM series is that the DM series has a more refined bass, the highs are still the same because its the same tweeter.

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so lets say if I bought the Energy CF-70s or some 500/pair or so Klipsch, they would blow my polk monitor 50s out of the water even though they are technically in the same league? That is really all I am looking for and where I live is very limited in actual speaker stores so hearing some before I buy would be really tough.
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so lets say if I bought the Energy CF-70s or some 500/pair or so Klipsch, they would blow my polk monitor 50s out of the water even though they are technically in the same league? That is really all I am looking for and where I live is very limited in actual speaker stores so hearing some before I buy would be really tough.

Energy CF-70 is likely to blow the Polks out of the water.
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There are some great quality alternatives. Monitor Audio's RS8 for $1150/pair. PSB Image T65's for $800/pair are a couple solid speakers from very reputable manufacturers.
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This is the type of question that you really can't put a price on. One manufacturer's speaker may be considerably better than another's at a certain price point. You are also going to have a real hard time just defining what High End is because different people have different feelings as to what that is.

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so lets say if I bought the Energy CF-70s or some 500/pair or so Klipsch, they would blow my polk monitor 50s out of the water even though they are technically in the same league? That is really all I am looking for and where I live is very limited in actual speaker stores so hearing some before I buy would be really tough.

Energy, Infinity, Paradigm, PSB, Axiom are made by companies with such good R&D that spending $1k per pair on any of them is going to yield results that are very much better than the Monitor 50's.
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Mark is right that Revel makes great speakers. Also B&W (strongly disagree with Raymond), PSB, Paradigm, KEF, Dali, era (bookshelfs, less impressed with their floorstanders), Martin Logan (a little north of your budget but a "must" listen), Bose, Monitor Audio, etc..

Your situation is not really unique - most people don't have a dedicated home theater or perfect room.

Where do you live that you won't be able to listen to speakers?

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Mark is right that Revel makes great speakers. Also B&W (strongly disagree with Raymond), PSB, Paradigm, KEF, Dali, era (bookshelfs, less impressed with their floorstanders), Martin Logan (a little north of your budget but a "must" listen), Bose, Monitor Audio, etc..

Your situation is not really unique - most people don't have a dedicated home theater or perfect room.

Where do you live that you won't be able to listen to speakers?

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Just trying to clarify terms, I would but the "entry into high end" in the 1000 to 1500 a pair for small monitors. (typical 6 1/5 two ways) About 2K for floor standers. I pick this level because it is about where one can build a darn good speaker and the curve of diminishing returns starts to kick in. It starts to get hard to build a better speaker than this level. So, price escalates quite quickly. Herd some $25K ones today. How much better than my old Paradigm S20's? Sure, better in more detail and pretty cabinets, but actually more edgy.
I put my Studio 20's in the top of mid-fi. Good value. One can do a lot better but it starts to get expensive. Any time you talk about high-end, there is no longer any such thing as "value". You are passed that. it is just the search for perfection. A lot of very good speakers were mentioned above. Check them out and don't worry about their "class". Mid-fi is not a dirty word. Well, don't bother with Bose, not even mid. Definitive should be on the list too. Totem. Lots of them. Smaller Vanderstein's are really tough to beat for the dollar.
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There are some great quality alternatives. Monitor Audio's RS8 for $1150/pair. PSB Image T65's for $800/pair are a couple solid speakers from very reputable manufacturers.

I'm with Danielson here but I would suggest the Monitor Audio RS6's. The RS8 can get a little boomy if not given enough room(mainly from the back wall). You can get a good deal on the RS6's right now since they just got replaced with the RX6's(if you can find any). Great speakers for the price.
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I'm with Danielson here but I would suggest the Monitor Audio RS6's. The RS8 can get a little boomy if not given enough room(mainly from the back wall). You can get a good deal on the RS6's right now since they just got replaced with the RX6's(if you can find any). Great speakers for the price.

SaturdayAudio for $800.
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SaturdayAudio for $800.

Man if I had a place to use them I would get a pair! outstanding price for RS6's!
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I'm with Danielson here but I would suggest the Monitor Audio RS6's. The RS8 can get a little boomy if not given enough room(mainly from the back wall). You can get a good deal on the RS6's right now since they just got replaced with the RX6's(if you can find any). Great speakers for the price.

I'm leaning towards the RS6 now from saturdayaudio but how does the Monitor RS6 compare to the PSB Image T65 that they have for 800/pair?


I don't think I mentioned this but I will be using them for 40/40/20 movies/games/music and use my monitor 50s as surrounds
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I'm leaning towards the RS6 now from saturdayaudio but how does the Monitor RS6 compare to the PSB Image T65 that they have for 800/pair?


I don't think I mentioned this but I will be using them for 40/40/20 movies/games/music and use my monitor 50s as surrounds

Google Paul Barton and PSB. The guy is definitely one of the best there is. PSB is always an extremely safe bet.
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mark is right that revel makes great speakers. Also b&w (strongly disagree with raymond), psb, paradigm, kef, dali, era (bookshelfs, less impressed with their floorstanders), martin logan (a little north of your budget but a "must" listen), bose, monitor audio, etc..

i see what you did there
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the Monitors say they are 6 ohm and my receiver (onkyo rc160) is rated at 8 ohms, will this be a problem?
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the Monitors say they are 6 ohm and my receiver (onkyo rc160) is rated at 8 ohms, will this be a problem?

They are quite sensitive and most AVR's rated at 8ohms can drive these.
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Out of these 3, what should be the order of preference for < $500 speaker + sub budget?

1. JAMO E 660 speaker set for $380 - http://www.wwstereo.com/website/ecom...roduct=E6605.0

2. JAMO S 406 speaker set for $250 - http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...v_c=BFE_112809

3. SLS speakers with subwoofer for $280 - http://www.av-express.com/AV-Catalog...4Pa38Ta38Pb390
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Out of these 3, what should be the order of preference for < $500 speaker + sub budget?

1. JAMO E 660 speaker set for $380 - http://www.wwstereo.com/website/ecom...roduct=E6605.0

2. JAMO S 406 speaker set for $250 - http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...v_c=BFE_112809

3. SLS speakers with subwoofer for $280 - http://www.av-express.com/AV-Catalog...4Pa38Ta38Pb390

The order of preference will differ among people because each has difference preferences and restrictions.
Personally I'd buy the E660 set and get a Dayton Sub120 for $150 or a BIC F12...but that's just my preference.
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Google Paul Barton and PSB. The guy is definitely one of the best there is. PSB is always an extremely safe bet.

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the Monitors say they are 6 ohm and my receiver (onkyo rc160) is rated at 8 ohms, will this be a problem?

PSB are nice to but IMO after listening to both I liked the RS6's alot more. I felt that the MA RS6's were much more accurate(or transparent) and had more detail. I felt the PSB's had a "slightly" bigger soundstage but was very minimal . I felt the RS6's competed more with the higher priced PSB speakers(Synchrony). Again this is just my opinion and that was over a year ago when they were $1600. IMO at half that they are a steal IMO.

Best thing to do is listen to them both, if you can but I don't think you would go wrong with either one.
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PSB are nice to but IMO after listening to both I liked the RS6's alot more. I felt that the MA RS6's were much more accurate(or transparent) and had more detail. I felt the PSB's had a "slightly" bigger soundstage but was very minimal . I felt the RS6's competed more with the higher priced PSB speakers(Synchrony). Again this is just my opinion and that was over a year ago when they were $1600. IMO at half that they are a steal IMO.

Best thing to do is listen to them both, if you can but I don't think you would go wrong with either one.



I think I am going to go with the RS6 and the RSLCR after finals next week thanks for the suggestions
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I think I am going to go with the RS6 and the RSLCR after finals next week thanks for the suggestions

Cool I think you would like either but those RS6's are extremely nice at that price. If you do go with them,after you heard them let us know what you think?
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Dont know how others feel but I love my definitive technology studio monitor 450's. Great sounding speaker and it hits fairly low with nice clean bass for a small bookshelf. Im using 5 of them all around and couldnt be happier. Ive had a lot of speaker brands and so far this brand is my fav. They arent to expensive either.
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Cool I think you would like either but those RS6's are extremely nice at that price. If you do go with them,after you heard them let us know what you think?

I will definitely give a noob review. However I am still a little concerned about the ohm difference. Like I said I am very new to all of this but from my understanding is that my onkyo receiver will have to work harder to power the RS6s and onkyos tend to run pretty hot on their own.
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