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I'm looking at the BIC 62si and 62CLR. I currently have the TSC RC-1 for LCR front speakers. I like them a lot, but I'm wondering if there would be an improvement with the BIC's. I love my BIC sub and have a bit of upgrade-itis. Also, I'm not sure if I have the room for the 62CLR, would the 52CLR be good to match with the 62si?
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I'd stick with the same size if I could.
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I'm looking at the BIC 62si and 62CLR. I currently have the TSC RC-1 for LCR front speakers. I like them a lot, but I'm wondering if there would be an improvement with the BIC's. I love my BIC sub and have a bit of upgrade-itis. Also, I'm not sure if I have the room for the 62CLR, would the 52CLR be good to match with the 62si?

If you already like the sound of a speaker that is something in and of itself right there. I'm not going to try and sell you on BIC's if you already have a set of speakers you enjoy because, at this price point, finding an enjoyable set of speakers is certainly not a guarantee. I like the BIC Venturi speakers. I enjoy them. They sound great for the money.

My advice is to find a receiver with an auto-adjustment that you like to hear and you'll find if you already enjoy these speakers, after they are calibrated, you will definitely like them more. I can't say I've heard the TSC RC-1's myself, so I could not provide a comparison of the way each sounds. The fact you like them is a sign you should keep them, run an auto-calibration, put in some minor room treatments and you will definitely enjoy the sound. No sense in fixing what's not broke.
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Assuming your stand truly fits within the dimensions of the top of the speaker, it should hold 78 pounds. When I get home, I will stand on one of my center speakers and see if there is any flexing. I weigh 185 pounds. I bet it will hold my weight with no problem.

Did you get a chance to test the center channel to see if it could hold about 100 pounds?
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Did you get a chance to test the center channel to see if it could hold about 100 pounds?

I was able to stand on it and it held my 185 pound weight just fine.
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I was able to stand on it and it held my 185 pound weight just fine.

Awesome! Thanks man.
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Just replaced my Pioneer VSX-01 Elite with Emotiva UMC-1 and UPA-7 separates.

My speakers are:

3xDV62CLR-S for the fronts, and 3xDV5, two of which are side surrounds with the third being wired for both rear surround channels, a 7.1 setup.

I'm also running an SVS 20-39 sub.

When I upgraded to separates I was tempted to upgrade the speakers too so I tried out a set of Tannoy DC6i concentric. Now they did sound nice but...

For stereo the imaging was slightly better but at higher volumes ie movies they were harsh compared to the BICs. The Tannoys are HT designed and aren't cheap so they ended up reinforcing my opinion of the the BICs.

So as much as I'm tempted to upgrade I just can't justify it. I know the BICs are inexpensive, almost seems wrong but hey what can I say...
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Does anyone here know if there are places that occasionally discount the DV64 towers? I'm looking to buy two of them, and have been watching prices for a month or so, and seems pretty stable. I realize they're not pricey (especially by standards of most in these forums), but I'd hate to pay $125 each and find them two weeks later on sale for $89 or somesuch.

Too bad they're not like Polks; Newegg seems to practically give some of them away sometimes. R300 (don't know if they're any good or not, but pretty heavy discount regardless) right now for a hundred a pair with free shipping; I'd be bummed if I bought them a month ago for double that or more.

Anyhow, I figured folks like you have been in and around the BIC market for a long time, so lemme know. If deals are infrequent, I'll just cut the check now and get on with it.

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Try acousticsounddesign dot com. They had the best prices when I checked. Send them an offer $10 less than cheapest and they should do it. Shopblt always changing price structure.
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Does anyone here know if there are places that occasionally discount the DV64 towers? Thanks!

http://www.provantage.com/bic-americ...4~7BICA00K.htm
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Well, after almost $32 shipping to California, Amazon would be less. At least for me.
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Just replaced my Pioneer VSX-01 Elite with Emotiva UMC-1 and UPA-7 separates.

My speakers are:

3xDV62CLR-S for the fronts, and 3xDV5, two of which are side surrounds with the third being wired for both rear surround channels, a 7.1 setup.

I'm also running an SVS 20-39 sub.

When I upgraded to separates I was tempted to upgrade the speakers too so I tried out a set of Tannoy DC6i concentric. Now they did sound nice but...

For stereo the imaging was slightly better but at higher volumes ie movies they were harsh compared to the BICs. The Tannoys are HT designed and aren't cheap so they ended up reinforcing my opinion of the the BICs.

So as much as I'm tempted to upgrade I just can't justify it. I know the BICs are inexpensive, almost seems wrong but hey what can I say...

This is what I've thought myself. The sound quality I have right now is so good, I don't really want to upgrade. I've listened to enough speakers to know these sound fantastic and they are hard to beat unless you go to extreme costs and even then, you will just be marginally better. For those people who are lurking and reading for recommendations, remember, these speakers aren't meant to fill big rooms with sound, so they are perfect for small to medium sized living rooms. So, be sure to understand that your room is an important factor in determining the right speakers to get.
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Trying to decide if i should pull the trigger on an upgrade for my center channel and subwoofer.

I currently have a niles audio in ceiling center channel that is "ok" but isnt great. I am looking at either the
DV-62CLRS

or the

FH6-LCR

and then probably the F12 sub.

People who have the DV-62CLRS are you really happy with it? I would probably eventually get some matching towers as well for my L/R sound.
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I have that center and sub. The sub is real nice and a big upgrade from my angstrom sub.

The center is substantial but my fronts aren't matched and the sound is " off". I too am thinking about going with the formula centre all around. I tried the pioneers front set up but like the dot d of the bics better and they went back.
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I have that center and sub. The sub is real nice and a big upgrade from my angstrom sub.

The center is substantial but my fronts aren't matched and the sound is " off". I too am thinking about going with the formula centre all around. I tried the pioneers front set up but like the dot d of the bics better and they went back.

What center and sub do you have? if it is the LH6 do you think it is hard to match it with non Horn driven tweeters?
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My wife recently told me that the speakers were "too good" because during a movie, she thought one of the kids fell off their bed upstairs.

I have the bookshelf DV62si all around (6 of the 7.1 channels) and a DV62cls for the center. My family room is a rectangular room of approximately 13.5 W x 12 L x 8 H. All the speakers are mounted on the wall up close to the ceiling with them tilted towards the sweet spot (main seat).

I'm powering the 3 fronts with a Rotel RMB-1066 in 3 channel bridged mode and my Marantz SR6003 does the rest. My sub is a JL Fathom F112.

Definitely better than my previous Athena As-F1 / As-B1 / As-C1 / CV CLS15 sub / Pio VSX-1015tx combo (in a room a little more than twice as big, though).

After running Audyssey, I find the Venturi speakers very life-like. I also found them very clear, with crisp sound effects, even without having to turn up the volume. It may have something to do with the amp, sub, and receiver upgrades, but I have another set of DV62si speakers upstairs connected to a tube receiver (Fisher 400 with 7868 tubes). They sound very good powered by those warm tubes.

But I agree with all those who advised matching at least the front sound stage with at least the same family and brand of speakers.
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I have a pair of DV64's on a pioneer vsx-1020 receiver in a 7.1 setup with a definitive sub, paradigm center and warfdale surrounds.. I know, very mixed speaker env to say the least.. but it sounds nice to us so I am happy with it.. my question is, should I set the front mains to LARGE in the setup? then have the the LFE go to both the main LR front and the sub? the cross over is set to 80hz right now.. can the DV64s handle full range well?

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I'd still let the sub handle bass below 80hz. When I had full towers for fronts in a big room, I still have the sub handle all the bass.
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ok - thanks.. I'll leave it like it is then.

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A little bump is in order. My Venturi speakers are excellent.
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A little bump is in order. My Venturi speakers are excellent.
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You can tell them that these speakers are from a SOLID, well reviewed 10-year old design. Home Theater Magazine reviewed the BIC DV62CLR-S and it was called, "...hands-down the best sounding center speaker I've ever heard."

That was 10 years ago but I can ASSURE you, this is one BIG, nice sounding center channel that can be mounted vertically and used as a right/left speaker as well.

Also, remember, these speakers being a 10-year old design is WHY they are so inexpensive now. The manufacturer has been able to build it at a lower cost.

Also, speaker technology has changed very little in the last 10 years. Crossovers, speakers, tweeters are still made with the same science as they were a decade ago. So, if a speaker sounded great 10-years ago (heck, even 30 years ago), it will still sound great today.

Anyone who puts down this speaker doesn't know what they are talking about and need to get some knowledge before acting up. But of course, it's up to YOUR ears. If you think you need something better, that's your call. I have heard many speakers over the years and I own these. When I have more money in my pocket, I'm NOT buying anything else. I love my BIC speakers and they sound as good as anything I've heard in recent times at electronic stores at multiple times the price.

Is the FH6-LCR also an older design also?? This piece seems like a particularly attractive option for the front soundstage in a media application.
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Has anyone here had their crossovers modified by Ed Frias?

If so, what was/are your experiences with the process and the outcome?
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Has anyone here had their crossovers modified by Ed Frias?

If so, what was/are your experiences with the process and the outcome?
I did on the DV62si, years ago. Ed's a nice guy and communicates well. The problem is his $40 to $50 mod (or whatever he's charging these days, I think I paid $35) sounds terrible. It does an OK job of taming the out of control tweeter but totally screws up the mids. The result is a speaker that's no better than stock and if you value an accurate midrange, much worse. Vocals sound like they are coming out of a tunnel and somewhat muffled.

Being an EE myself, I analyzed Ed's mod and found out what went wrong and designed my own mod that corrects the tweeter response, fine tunes the woofer which actually brings out a little more bass. This is really where Ed went wrong. He got greedy and tried to get too much bass and in the process f'ed up the mids. The best part of my mod is that it actually fixes the mids instead of making them worse. It smooths and balances them. The problem with enhancing the bass on the BIC is it can also make it boomy. For this reason I also had to work on the cabinet damping. I went through a few different versions of that before settling on my current version which I believe virtually eliminates the boom without killing the bass. The mod also makes the BIC a little cleaner, which was already one of the speaker's strong points.

While working on this speaker I found there's no magic bullet. The drivers are not perfect. Certainly not of the highest quality. For this reason it was not easy to get it tuned properly. Don't expect any quick fixes. There is a delicate balance.
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Aw man, I wish I was an EE. Glad you replied about this. Overall though, would you consider these speakers to be some of the best budget friendly speakers? Are they better compared to the Polk Audio II Series?
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What would be a better bedroom setup?
Option #1
3 DV52clr
Option#2
2 DV62si and 1 DV52clr
Option #3
2 DV62si
I know the best option would be option #3 with a dv62clr center, but I can't pass up the prices on 1 of these options
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Aw man, I wish I was an EE. Glad you replied about this. Overall though, would you consider these speakers to be some of the best budget friendly speakers? Are they better compared to the Polk Audio II Series?

I think the BIC DV62si is the best bang for the speaker buck that can be had brand new. I have never heard those Polks. The DV62si beat the snot out of my old Infinitys. I've also owned JBLs, Cerwin Vegas, Pioneers among others. Of all the speakers I've owned, these modded BICs with cheap sub are better than all those with exception of the JBL Control room monitors but it's real close.
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Aw man, I wish I was an EE. Glad you replied about this. Overall though, would you consider these speakers to be some of the best budget friendly speakers? Are they better compared to the Polk Audio II Series?

Dave pretty much summed it up. I haven't heard any speaker in this range that performs better. The dynamic range alone sets it apart from the rest. They can easily be used as mains. Adding a good subwoofer will extend that range considerably. The stock ones are outstanding. The modified ones from what Dave has written in the past will raise the speakers performance to even greater levels. I prefer to look at them as the best speaker value on the market. The whole "budget" label gives the impression of being cheap which based on the last time I looked wasn't that cheap.
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What would be a better bedroom setup?
Option #1
3 DV52clr
Option#2
2 DV62si and 1 DV52clr
Option #3
2 DV62si
I know the best option would be option #3 with a dv62clr center, but I can't pass up the prices on 1 of these options

All seem like good combinations but the size of the bedroom would be helpful.
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I prefer to look at them as the best speaker value on the market. The whole "budget" label gives the impression of being cheap which based on the last time I looked wasn't that cheap.
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Yeah, I agree, "best speaker value" definitely comes across better.

Do you all think that Audyssey XT32 can do a better job of flattening the speaker response than the crossover modifications that Ed performs?
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Size of the bedroom is small right now, but it will be considerably bigger in a couple of months. I'm kind of planning for the future, but want new speakers now.
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