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post #1 of 38 Old 01-04-2010, 02:07 PM - Thread Starter
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Newegg is offering the Energy Take 5 Pack for $149 today, and I've been wanting to upgrade my speakers and receiver as I just got a ps3 as a bluray player and am currently using bose acoustimass speakers (no sub, just the base module, though I do have 2 fronts, 2 surrounds and a center) with an older Onkyo receiver (no video, just DD5.1 and DTS 5.1) which I've had for 5-10 years depending on the pieces, and I'm tired of the missing mid-range bass, as well as the lack of a true sub. Also I want to be able to take advantage of the new lossless audio formats, which I currently can't with my older receiver.

I'm a little wary of getting another set of lifestyle sized speakers, and I was reading an old thread saying the Energy c-50 line was a better option (I would like to stay to bookshelf sized, not looking for tower speakers) but I can't find anywhere that sells them anymore other than the manufacturer and those prices are MSRP.

The price looks too good to pass up, though I was originally looking to spend about $400-600 on speakers and a sub.

I'm likely going to purchase the Pioneer VSX-919AH-K as my AV Receiver.

I sit about 12 feet from the TV Which is basically the width of the room, though the room extends left into my dining room and kitchen so in total it is probably 400 sqft, but my viewing area is much smaller, say <200 sqft.

I live in a one bedroom condo with neighbors above and below me, so I'm not looking to shake walls here, but I do want good sound.

Should I grab this deal which I think expires today? Are there other speakers of the bookshelf or lifestyle variety I should consider? Also what do people think of these in combination with the pioneer receiver? And lastly, can anyone recommend a sub to go with the speakers or the speakers you recommend?

I was originally going to replace my receiver, then get a sub, then add speakers piecemeal due to the cost, but at $149 I can afford to do everything at once.

Sorry for the laundry list!

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm not EXACTLY a novice, but I really don't know much about speakers.

Oh, and I primarily use the system for TV, Blu-ray and DVD. Music is secondary, but I do still use it for music.
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Actually the price is $119 today if you use promo code EMCMNNX64. It is the last day to use this code I believe.

These are better than the Bose Acoustimass speakers but you MUST get a subwoofer to go with them.

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Actually the price is $119 today if you use promo code EMCMNNX64. It is the last day to use this code I believe.

These are better than the Bose Acoustimass speakers but you MUST get a subwoofer to go with them.

I just found that code thanks! So this makes my question even more urgent!

Oh, I'm quite sure these will be an upgrade over my bose speakers, but I'm wondering if there's something a little larger (ie bookshelf) sized that would be better for me, given the size of my room. Or do you think these will be enough? I'm just concerned over a previous thread (which was from 6 months ago) which stated the C-50s were clearly better and not much more expensive, but I can't find those.

Also, yeah, I know I'll need a sub, do you know of one you'd recommend that would match well with these?

Thanks for the quick reply!
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C-50's are all gone so that's a moot point. if you can go bigger than the Takes you can definitely get a better setup. But you won't get 5 speakers for $120.

Lots of subs could be recommended with the Energy's. What's your price range for a sub?

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I'd say about $200, though I'm not really sure what's reasonable for a decent sub. As I said, I'm really looking for something to fill the sound, not shake walls as I don't really want to disturb my neighbors (too much).

Unless I'm reading you wrong, you seem to think I'd be happy with the Takes. Sounds like the Takes are the way to go with the price, and upgrade if I need more. That said, as far as the sub goes I'd rather not have to replace THAT, if I end up upgrading from the Takes.
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I'd say about $200, though I'm not really sure what's reasonable for a decent sub. As I said, I'm really looking for something to fill the sound, not shake walls as I don't really want to disturb my neighbors (too much).

Unless I'm reading you wrong, you seem to think I'd be happy with the Takes. Sounds like the Takes are the way to go with the price, and upgrade if I need more. That said, as far as the sub goes I'd rather not have to replace THAT, if I end up upgrading from the Takes.

The Takes are A way to go, not necessarily the best way, but they will make great surrounds in a 7.1 system after you upgrade your fronts to RC-10s and RCLCR!

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The Takes are A way to go, not necessarily the best way, but they will make great surrounds in a 7.1 system after you upgrade your fronts to RC-10s and RCLCR!

Ron

Ron,

You know that might not be a bad option as a hybrid between this deal on the Takes and my original plan of going piecemeal. I mean for $119 I'm not going to get a five better speakers, but $119 is not a lot to spend for surrounds in the long run. So as long as they're timbre matched (which I'm guessing all Energy speakers are), your idea is actually well taken!
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Get the Takes for now and upgrade to other Energy speakers later when the money is available. Like Ron said, the Takes will be nice surround speakers.

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For the sub, make sure you get one that goes up to at least 120HZ, people mention the BIC F12 which is $250 at amazon right now. Energy subs are decent too, and can sometimes be found really cheap.

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Get the Takes for now and upgrade to other Energy speakers later when the money is available. Like Ron said, the Takes will be nice surround speakers.

Yeah, I've pretty much decided to do that. Too good a deal to pass up.

Any recs on a sub? Should I stick with Energy or does it not matter what brand of sub I buy (as far as timbre matching)?
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no, there is no need to match the subwoofer brand to the speakers. get the appropriate sub for your room and budget, those low freq. sounds don't really have any tonal quality that needs to match to the speakers...

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Sub brand does not matter. If you have a Fry's near by they have the Martin Logan Abyss sub for $399. A great sub at an unbeatable price. I hate living in the sticks or I would buy one.
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Sadly, there are no Frys in my area either. I'm not in the sticks either. Philadelphia... but I don't think there are frys on the east coast.
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For the sub, make sure you get one that goes up to at least 120HZ, people mention the BIC F12 which is $250 at amazon right now. Energy subs are decent too, and can sometimes be found really cheap.

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Just took a look at that. Seems like a lot more sub than I need. I say that just because it's a 12-inch sub and 400+ watts. That said, the price is right about where I'd like to be.

I don't know much about subs. It more power always better? Or is it possible to get a smaller sub that will provide me with better sound quality at a similar price? As I was saying originally I live in a mid-rise condo, so I'd rather not disturb my neighbors TOO much.
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Provantage has the Bic F-12 for $175, don't know about shipping, and they are out of stock right now.
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The Energy sub that goes with these speakers is supposedly $99 at Costco. It is a decent sub. There is a sub forum but be careful, they will want you to get 4 subs and go down to 10hz.

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The Energy sub that goes with these speakers is supposedly $99 at Costco. It is a decent sub. There is a sub forum but be careful, they will want you to get 4 subs and go down to 10hz.

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Ha, I might have to check that forum out. And yeah, I'm sure my neighbors would love me if I had four subs! and if they went that low...

frankly I think my cat might have a heartattack!
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I picked up the Take 5 and and the Energy V10 sub while Crutchfield still had them a few weeks ago. Running them with the Pioneer 1019. They are great speakers but the 1019's only crossover settings in the ballpark are 100 or 150 which is not ideal for the Takes. Have got them broken in, and they did warm up, but I still feel like I'm missing some mid bass.

My RC-10s are on the Fedex truck right now and I'm gonna keep my eye out for an RC center channel deal. I agree with what was said ealier, the Take 5's are great if you are headed towards 7.1.
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Okay, so I ordered the Takes. Would this sub work? The Energy ESWC10. http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it.../energy-eswc10

I'm concerned about crossover given the comment above about the pioneer 919 only having 100hz and 150hz settings where Ron said to make sure the sub goes up to 120hz. Concerned I may lose range.
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Okay, so I ordered the Takes. Would this sub work? The Energy ESWC10. http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it.../energy-eswc10

I'm concerned about crossover given the comment above about the pioneer 919 only having 100hz and 150hz settings where Ron said to make sure the sub goes up to 120hz. Concerned I may lose range.

That sub will work. I would be concerned about the Pioneer too.

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That sub will work. I would be concerned about the Pioneer too.

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Howso?
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The Takes are listed down to 115. I didn't like the sound of 150 and 100 leaves a hole between there and 115. Couple that with smaller speakers and for me it sounds like something missing between the sub and speakers. Make sure to get them lined up good on the listening area too. That helped a little bit.
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Howso?

Maybe I spoke too soon. That sub works with the Takes (goes up to 120hz), but I'm concerned about the crossover on the Pioneer.

If you set it at 100hz, you will have a gap between 100-120, if you set it to 150 you'll have a gap between 120-150.

Maybe you need to get a sub that goes up to 150 with that receiver?

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Yeah... you're going to want a receiver that can do a crossover of 110 or 120Hz. If you're looking for an entry-level receiver, the Denon 1610/590 has some great features (including Audyssey MultEQ) and can do a more appropriate crossover.
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Maybe I spoke too soon. That sub works with the Takes (goes up to 120hz), but I'm concerned about the crossover on the Pioneer.

If you set it at 100hz, you will have a gap between 100-120, if you set it to 150 you'll have a gap between 120-150.

Maybe you need to get a sub that goes up to 150 with that receiver?

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Any advice on a sub that goes to 150?
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Energy ESW-HG8 which is the original sub that comes in the Take 5 Classic setup.

Frequency response is 33hz-150hz. They're all over ebay and someone mentioned that Costco also has them for $99.

BIC-v1020 claims frequency response all the way up to 180hz. Deeper bass than the Energy HG8 too.
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-V1020-Down.../dp/B0000Y2WY8

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Energy ESW-HG8 which is the original sub that comes in the Take 5 Classic setup.

Frequency response is 33hz-150hz. They're all over ebay and someone mentioned that Costco also has them for $99.

BIC-v1020 claims frequency response all the way up to 180hz. Deeper bass than the Energy HG8 too.
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-V1020-Down.../dp/B0000Y2WY8

It looks like that BIC may be the winner. It has the really broad range it looks like I'll need.

Thanks!
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It looks like that BIC may be the winner. It has the really broad range it looks like I'll need.

Thanks!

I just ordered one as well, looking forward to hearing it.
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Check out the Bic acoustech H100, also. You can get them on ebay for 239.00; and, you could use the bing cashback function on top of that to save a few extra as well. If you're looking at the F12, why not go the H100, which looks nicer? That's what we're using here, and it really fills out the sound and makes the system sound quite impressive.
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I ended up going with the BIC V1020 which I was able to get for $150. Had the frequency response and crossover range I needed. Now, if only Amazon would ship the thing... my fronts, center and surrounds are being delivered today, and my banana plugs tomorrow... but don't want to hook everything up until I get the sub.

That said, thanks for the tip!
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