Originally Posted by Matt-Helm
That's exactly what i'm seeing as well.. i'm at the 10:00 position on my Tritons and -12 on the 7010.
Sorry, I know I'm asking really detailed questions. Do you have your gain on the Tritons set so that they are balanced top to bottom with a straight stereo signal with no processing / nothing being sent over the LFE cable? I.e. if you put your AVR in pure mode and unplugged the LFE cable would the bass be right or would it be missing? The reason I ask is because I set the gain on my Tritons so that it is correct / balanced with a pure/direct stereo signal with no processing because that's how I listen to music.
When I start from there and then go to calibrate for home theater its wreaking havoc on my AVR measurements. To start, the first step on my Onkyo Audyssey routine is to set your sub gain so the mic reads 75dB. Well I can't. If I change the gain then I can no longer listen to music in 2 channel unprocessed stereo.
So the mic reads 93dB in my room. That's with the gain at 11 o'clock so its not like I'm a bass head. That's 18dB above where the AVR wants it. The AVR can't cut the LFE that much, it can only trim -15dB. So after its done my channels are like -1.5dB, to -4dB on average except the sub is -15. When I cue up a movie, there is almost no bass. I've been in this hobby for a long time and I've always favored a neutral system. I don't bump up my subs after I calibrate so when I say there is no bass, there is no bass. After monkeying around I've come to an unproven theory that maxing out the trim on my AVR creates some kind of digital clipping where the LFE signal is seriously attenuated.
Like I said, when I ran actual content there was almost no bass. bumping up the LFE even a little causes the bass to come back huge. Like not 2-3 dB as the change from -15 to -13 would imply but like a 10dB difference.
I don't have any other sub in the mix. My AVR has dual LFE outs but they're not L/R channel specific, they're just split internal to the AVR so there's dual jacks on the back.
I posted about this problem on the GoldenEar forum. I initially took some flack (implications that I didn't know what I'm doing because I was the only person ). Eventually it came out that a couple other Onkyo/Integra owners were facing the same problem and it wasn't just me.
I ended up having to set my LFE level completely by ear. My measurements don't match real world listening material. I think its an issue with the AVR but before I go and drop $2k on a new one, I'd like to know what I'm in for.
Sorry for the long post... I'd appreciate any input you (or ANYONE with Triton 1s have as to how they got the gains set for stereo vs. home theater)