Originally Posted by goldenear tech
Hi, I was surprised at your posting, as the Triton Sevens really image like a bandit, so I did some research, in order to perhaps give you a little more insight into what you were hearing and why. First, of course, The Motion 40s are quite a bit more expensive than the Sevens, really the same price as the Triton Fives. This is not the main point, of course, just mentioning. That said,I believe that there is more here at play. I was wondering about what was driving the Motion 40s at Abt, so I called to find out. Rather than being driven by a moderately priced 10 year old Pioneer receiver, they are in fact driven by Rotel separates, power amp (RB 1582) and Rotel preamp (RC 1570), along with a Rotel CD player. Needless to say, this is quite a higher end, much better sounding system than the Pioneer receiver (not just much more power but a whole different level of sound quality), and the difference is not subtle to be sure. I would ask you about your source (CD, streaming?). Also, if CD, what player and if streaming, what service? Also, of course, I assume that you were listening to the same music in the same medium? Also, you mention that the Abt sound room had acoustic treatment, which can also be significant.
Going a little further, I was wondering a little about the specific sound quality and sonic characteristics of the Pioneer VSX 03, so I went up online and found this in a posting by an owner on AudioReview.com discussing his experience with this receiver," The music side of this machine, though, does leave a little to be desired. It doesn't sound "bad" at all really it just sounds really laid back. I don't know if it's my speakers or the Pioneer or both, but some thing is lacking. That being said it still does music well just not quite as well as I've gotten out of other similarly priced units." So, I suppose that this is also at play. Needless to say, not as simple a comparison as you may have thought. In terms of set up, I do find that to get optimal imaging from the Sevens, toe them in directly at the listener, and maybe a little farther apart if possible. All the Best, Sandy
I can't even get the Tritons in my living room to image as well as my cpu monitors (m-audio bx5 D2). The cpu monitors sound much closer to the imaging of the martin logan 40's but not nearly the quality of sound. I was trying placing them all over the place and even a different direction in my room. I did manage to get decent imaging in the center of the room with the speakers placed about 6 feet apart and myself sitting about the same distance from the speakers. short distances and the sound stage was a bit small because of the small distances. But I did get to hear some of the imaging.
I was able to pull my speakers about 4 feet from the wall and much closer to the listening position and it was better but that put the speakers in a place that doesn't work in my room.
The sound quality of all the voices and instruments are great, but it just sounds stereo for me with little imaging, although it was better puled slightly further apart and pulled very far from the back wall. Anything closer to the back wall and the sound really goes downhill. flat and not lively and a real lack of imaging. On my pc, the voices of singers sounds like they are in the middle of the speakers. With the triton sevens, I got a taste of the imaging, placing the speakers in odd places but still not as impressive as I'm sure they are supposed to be.
I only had another crappy receiver around, worse than the pioneer elite and it sounded ****ty quality all around lol. I don't have an amp that I can try. Everybody loves the speakers so I need to find out whats the issue at my home. I'm sure they are great, I'm just not sure what I have to do. I don't really have money to blow, so I'm trying to find out what is the biggest issue or how to get the sound from these speakers that I'm guessing they deliver.
I'm not sure its just a receiver/amp issue, because I'm not getting the basic imaging I get from my pc with a good sound card and 200.00 cpu monitors. It just seems I'm not getting the imaging. It was much better with a different spot, but I still feel it isnt what it should be and the speaker placement shouldn't have to be that important and finicky I dont think.
I've tried different sources. high quality flac files from my pc to my receiver through my geforce 980ti hdmi output. I've also tried cd's thought a toshiba 3d bluray player. Playstation 4. etc. instruments and voices sound good, I'm just not getting the imaging.
I'm not trying to compare the triton sevens to the martin logan 40's or guess which is better. I was just amazed at the imaging when I heard them. Some people have heard both and prefer the tritons. I'm just trying to get the imaging I'm guessing I'm supposed to have.
I'll try to upload photos of my room. One photo has the speakers placed farther from the wall and further apart and in front of the arm or the other couch and when placed there, I got better imaging. but I can't leave them in that spot. I read the speakers arent very picky where they are placed so I'm wondering what I can do to help get the sound right.