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AcuDefTechGuy
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recycled bullsh!t

That's my first impression of GoldenEar Technology.

Let's take a DefTech Mythos tower and call it GoldenEar.

Sandy Gross has lost his mind.
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What does better impedance matching to the air in the room mean?

Impedance is just complex resistance, ie resistance varying with (or a function of) frequency. Basically you're increasing the physical load (or resistance to movement) the driver sees.

In horn loaded speakers impedance matching is a big deal as it reduces the cones excursion by a factor of three, as compared to the driver in free air, for a given SPL. Remember excursion = distortion. A good way to visualize this is to think of a leaver or fulcrum. The cone is at the end close to the pivot, so it moves very little compared to air at the mouth of the horn, which moves a lot. The driver needs to have a strong motor to accomplish this.

What this has to do with the speaker in question I can't say. Since this is just another box speaker, it's probably 99% marketing BS but who knows...
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That was a good definition of impedance! Anywho, I'm not going to let all these negative people keep me from being excited about these! I'll reserve judgement until I hear them. Then I can be disappointed.
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They're on my list to stop and listen to at Cedia next week
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The website is up, and I have to admit, these things look pretty awesome! However, my heart sank a bit with the news of the 4.5" driver. Take a look!

http://www.goldenear.com/
cydog3's Avatar cydog3
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The website is up, and I have to admit, these things look pretty awesome! However, my heart sank a bit with the news of the 4.5" driver. Take a look!

http://www.goldenear.com/

Hmm alittle taken by that also. I would take the Mythos ST over these but maybe these should be more compared to the STS
cvictorg's Avatar cvictorg
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Are they worth what they're charging

The $1,249-each Triton Two three-way tower, which is 5.25-inch-wide and 48-inch-tall, features black cloth that wraps around the whole curved-back cabinet. It features two 4.5-inch upper bass/midrange drivers with multi-vaned phase plug, with one driver above the HVFR tweeter and the other below. The built-in 1,200-watt powered subwoofer system consists of two active front-mounted 5x9-inch flat quadratic planar (racetrack) drivers and two side-mounted 7x10-inch quadratic planar passive bass radiators.

* The slim two-way SuperSat 50 left-right speaker and its center-channel version, the SuperSat 50C, both at $499 and both suitable for wall mounting because of their 2.5-inch depth. Their other dimensions are 27 inches and 4.75 inches. They feature two 4.5-inch round bass/midrange drivers, which flank an HVFR tweeter, two flat quadratic 4x7-inch passive bass radiators, and piano-gloss-black extruded-aluminum cabinets that curve back at the top and bottom. An optional base is available for the left-right model.

* The SuperSat3 small satellite, available in a horizontal center-channel SuperSat 3C version, each offered at $249. The SuperSat3 models can also be used as surround speakers. All come with included shelf stands but are suitable for wall mounting because of their 2.7-inch depth. Their other dimensions are 12 inches and 4.75 inches. Their piano-gloss-black cabinets are made of marble-filled polymer to make them non-resonant.

* The $499 ForceField 3 and $699 ForceField 4 powered subs, made of high-density MDF in matte-black finish. Both are trapezoid-shaped with rounded edges. The ForceField 3 features 1,000-watt amp, 8-inch front-mounted driver, and bottom-mounted 9.6x11.4-inch quadratic planar passive radiator. The step-up model features 1,200-watt amp, 10-inch front driver, and 11x13.9-inch bottom-mounted passive radiator.

The speakers can be assembled to create three different 5.1-channel home theater speaker systems.

At $1,750, the SuperCinema3 consists of four SuperSat3 speakers, a SuperSat 3C center channel, and a ForceField 3 subwoofer.

At $2,700, the SuperCinema 50 system consists of two SuperSat 50 speakers, a SuperSat 50C center channel, two SuperSat 3 speakers, and a ForceField 4 sub.

The $3,500 Triton Cinema system consists of two Triton towers, a SuperSat 50C center channel, and two SuperSat 3 speakers.

Chu Gai's Avatar Chu Gai
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Sure they are! Look at all them fancy, high falutin' words.
  • multi-vaned
  • HVFR tweeter
  • quadratic planar
  • SuperSat
  • extruded-aluminum
  • marble-filled polymer
  • trapezoid

Them's words that warm the cockle's of a salesman's heart and there's plenty of margin built in to make everyone happy.
goldenear tech's Avatar goldenear tech
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That's my first impression of GoldenEar Technology.

Let's take a DefTech Mythos tower and call it GoldenEar.

Sandy Gross has lost his mind.

Hi, I normally don't get involved in these forums, although I enjoy reading them. However, when someone says that I am out of my mind, I think that it is time to step in. I assume that, based on your screen name, you must like the previous speakers that I have created, which is gratifying and appreciated. When I read some of your statements I suppose that I can understand them, to some degree, because you have not seen or heard the new speakers. Let me assure you that the Triton Two Tower is absolutely nothing like a "rebadged Mythos" and believe me, I should know as I designed both. The Triton Tower is a different size and shape and ID, different cosmetics, constructed of different materials and a totally different construction, different finish, different drivers (wait until you hear the new tweeter, you will flip out, as listeners did yesterday, see Darryl's Wilkinson's blog post on Home Theater entitled" Are Domes Done?), different and much, much more powerful sub amp, different sonic signature etc. etc. I could go on and on. The Mythos ST and STS are great speakers. The Triton Two is much better. This was absolutely the response of the dealers and press who came by yesterday at the show and I hope and expect that it will be your reaction too when you have an opportunity to hear the Triton. Most people continue to get better and better at what they do as they continue to learn and get more experience and you can see and hear this as you follow my speakers over the last 38 years. I think that I can confidently say that the Triton Tower is the best yet. And yes, the tweeter is a new and updated version of the Heil. It is fantastic and we are seeing similar designs showing up in some very high-end speakers including the mega-buck Lyngdorf-Steinway. Wait until you hear it. Sandy Gross
Chu Gai's Avatar Chu Gai
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When you say you designed the speakers Sandy, just what does that mean?
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Hey, I'd LOVE to audition these. Will they be in any dealers in MN anytime soon?? Our two main stores are Best Buy and Ultimate Electronics and they both carry Def Tech so it seems unlikely they'd carry both. I have a pair of BP 2006s in my bedroom and over the last 4-6 months I'm looking for something that would be better, and it has been very hard to find anything under 3k that will smoke them. I do really like Focal 826 or 836s but I'd need a sub with both, and I am struggling as to whether they'd be $3-$4k better than what I have. These golden ears aren't dipoles so I'm wondering if maybe they give a different soundstage than Deftech.
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Hi, I normally don't get involved in these forums, although I enjoy reading them. However, when someone says that I am out of my mind, I think that it is time to step in. I assume that, based on your screen name, you must like the previous speakers that I have created, which is gratifying and appreciated. When I read some of your statements I suppose that I can understand them, to some degree, because you have not seen or heard the new speakers. Let me assure you that the Triton Two Tower is absolutely nothing like a "rebadged Mythos" and believe me, I should know as I designed both. The Triton Tower is a different size and shape and ID, different cosmetics, constructed of different materials and a totally different construction, different finish, different drivers (wait until you hear the new tweeter, you will flip out, as listeners did yesterday, see Darryl's Wilkinson's blog post on Home Theater entitled" Are Domes Done?), different and much, much more powerful sub amp, different sonic signature etc. etc. I could go on and on. The Mythos ST and STS are great speakers. The Triton Two is much better. This was absolutely the response of the dealers and press who came by yesterday at the show and I hope and expect that it will be your reaction too when you have an opportunity to hear the Triton. Most people continue to get better and better at what they do as they continue to learn and get more experience and you can see and hear this as you follow my speakers over the last 38 years. I think that I can confidently say that the Triton Tower is the best yet. And yes, the tweeter is a new and updated version of the Heil. It is fantastic and we are seeing similar designs showing up in some very high-end speakers including the mega-buck Lyngdorf-Steinway. Wait until you hear it. Sandy Gross

http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia2010/

The rest of the industry may not be ready to abandon dome tweeters, but Sandy Gross and his new company, GoldenEar Technology, are using accordion-like High-Velocity Folded Ribbon (HVFR) high-frequency drivers in place of the ubiquitous domes found in 90-some-odd percent of the speakers currently on the market. The HVFR drivers work in a manner similar to an accordion and generate sound by squeezing a folded diaphragm from the sides rather than in an up-and-down motion. The result is a dramatically open, sublime sound free of any listening fatigue you might get from a lesser, standard driver – at least, that’s what I heard in the GoldenEar Technology booth earlier this morning. The HVFR tweeters are in the $1,249/ea floor-standing Triton Two Towers, the$499/ea SuperSat satellites , and the $249/ea SuperSat 50 satellites. GoldenEar Technology is also introducing a pair of powered subwoofers (ForceField 3 - $499, ForceField 4 - $699).
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Good luck with it Sandy. Marketing aside, I'm sure a lot of us here would love to be launching a a/v speaker company such as yours. Deep down we're probably a bit jealous.
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Hi, I normally don't get involved in these forums, although I enjoy reading them. However, when someone says that I am out of my mind, I think that it is time to step in. I assume that, based on your screen name, you must like the previous speakers that I have created, which is gratifying and appreciated. When I read some of your statements I suppose that I can understand them, to some degree, because you have not seen or heard the new speakers. Let me assure you that the Triton Two Tower is absolutely nothing like a "rebadged Mythos" and believe me, I should know as I designed both. The Triton Tower is a different size and shape and ID, different cosmetics, constructed of different materials and a totally different construction, different finish, different drivers (wait until you hear the new tweeter, you will flip out, as listeners did yesterday, see Darryl's Wilkinson's blog post on Home Theater entitled" Are Domes Done?), different and much, much more powerful sub amp, different sonic signature etc. etc. I could go on and on. The Mythos ST and STS are great speakers. The Triton Two is much better. This was absolutely the response of the dealers and press who came by yesterday at the show and I hope and expect that it will be your reaction too when you have an opportunity to hear the Triton. Most people continue to get better and better at what they do as they continue to learn and get more experience and you can see and hear this as you follow my speakers over the last 38 years. I think that I can confidently say that the Triton Tower is the best yet. And yes, the tweeter is a new and updated version of the Heil. It is fantastic and we are seeing similar designs showing up in some very high-end speakers including the mega-buck Lyngdorf-Steinway. Wait until you hear it. Sandy Gross

Sandy,

Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts with us. Looking forward to hearing how the "new guys" on the block sound.
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http://blog.hometheatermag.com/cedia2010/

The rest of the industry may not be ready to abandon dome tweeters, but Sandy Gross and his new company, GoldenEar Technology, are using accordion-like High-Velocity Folded Ribbon (HVFR) high-frequency drivers in place of the ubiquitous domes found in 90-some-odd percent of the speakers currently on the market. The HVFR drivers work in a manner similar to an accordion and generate sound by squeezing a folded diaphragm from the sides rather than in an up-and-down motion. The result is a dramatically open, sublime sound free of any listening fatigue you might get from a lesser, standard driver – at least, that’s what I heard in the GoldenEar Technology booth earlier this morning. The HVFR tweeters are in the $1,249/ea floor-standing Triton Two Towers, the$499/ea SuperSat satellites , and the $249/ea SuperSat 50 satellites. GoldenEar Technology is also introducing a pair of powered subwoofers (ForceField 3 - $499, ForceField 4 - $699).

I have no idea about this new speaker but Domes do SUCK!!! They are outdated, compromising solutions in my books.

I would like to see some polar response measuremnts on those Folded ribbons.
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Let me assure you that the Triton Two Tower is absolutely nothing like a "rebadged Mythos" and believe me, I should know as I designed both. The Triton Tower is a different size and shape and ID, different cosmetics, constructed of different materials and a totally different construction, different finish, different drivers (wait until you hear the new tweeter, you will flip out, The Triton Two is much better. This was absolutely the response of the dealers and press who came by yesterday at the show and I hope and expect that it will be your reaction too when you have an opportunity to hear the Triton. I think that I can confidently say that the Triton Tower is the best yet. And yes, the tweeter is a new and updated version of the Heil. Wait until you hear it. Sandy Gross

I am a current Def Tech speaker owner and after reading those specs on the triton two and the above "review" by the creator I really wanna hear em! Anybody know where I can demo them in Michigan?
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Well, I just did a dealer locator and the 3 closest to me are all 5 hrs one way! I guess I won't be hearing them any time soon.

Can you get a dealer in Michigan please Sandy!!!
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Goldenear Tech,

any plans on making some floorstanding speakers without power subs built in?
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I have no idea about this new speaker but Domes do SUCK!!! They are outdated, compromising solutions in my books.

Come on now. A few years from now, you'll be singing a different tune!

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I would like to see some polar response measuremnts on those Folded ribbons.

I doubt you'll see that. Historically, the AMT tweeters had a reputation for raggedy response, resonances, durability issues and the efficiency improvements if you will, came from being placed within a magnet structure geometry that acted somewhat as a horn. As to whether the magnet geometry is constructed so the loading is optimized or compromised might not be a fair debate. I would think they must have found an inexpensive source in China for their manufacture to keep the costs down.
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If you can ever get to talk to Sandy.You will find out that he a very Nice guy.
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I'm sure he is.
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http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...-triton-two-fl

The Triton Two speakers have an integrated subwoofer in each box. Each sub consists of two 5" by 9" planar drivers mounted on the front with two side-mounted 7" by 10" planar passive radiators. This should increase the Triton Two's bass response considerably, though it makes placement near other objects less desirable. We've seen side-mounted drivers and passive radiators in other speakers, but usually they are placed on one side so that you can still locate the speaker near a cabinet (which is a common situation in multi-purpose rooms). Having a floorstanding speaker out in the middle (or at least far enough away from anything to interfere with the passive radiators) may pose a problem for those that are using the speakers in a home theater setup. Still, this might be a small price to pay for the performance promised. GoldenEar Technology has rated the Triton Twos from 35kHz (15kHz above human hearing) down to a subterranean 16Hz. That's an incredible amount of performance for ~$2,500 a pair.

I'd love to see some test results that prove the speaker does indeed go down to 16Kz (+/- how many db)

Also - how would you place these in a HT setup.
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Sandy, are the super sat50 LCR and super sat3 surrounds timbre matched to your flagship Triton Two towers or are other matching speakers due out sometime in the future?
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I have a dirty mind.

good one , thats' hilarious
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I'm sure he is.

1. defender of justice
2. ambulance chaser
3. pit bull opportunist
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Those tweeters do interest me...

I'm not ready to trade in my bp7000sc towers any time soon though..barely had them for over a year or so now lol

Anyone know how durable a ribbon tweeter is compared to a dome one?

Lastly give Sandy a break, I'm sure this is just a start of many offerings. The price point is excellent but let's hope the quality is there. So much crap doesn't last worth a crap any more.

PS, Sandy, if you can get me a deal on the new speakers, I'd be glad to put them up against the bp7000sc towers and share my opinion with the community
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Come on now. A few years from now, you'll be singing a different tune!

I doubt you'll see that. Historically, the AMT tweeters had a reputation for raggedy response, resonances, durability issues and the efficiency improvements if you will, came from being placed within a magnet structure geometry that acted somewhat as a horn. As to whether the magnet geometry is constructed so the loading is optimized or compromised might not be a fair debate. I would think they must have found an inexpensive source in China for their manufacture to keep the costs down.

Hi, Yes, what you say about the old ESS Heil tweeters is basically correct. They had very ragged response due to resonances and horn loading among other issues and of course back then, they did not have the high temperature films available that we have today. In fact, when I told my engineering team that I wanted to go in this direction in developing our high frequency unit, they rolled their eyes. Now they are absolutely in love with what we have developed. Sandy Gross
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Sandy, are the super sat50 LCR and super sat3 surrounds timbre matched to your flagship Triton Two towers or are other matching speakers due out sometime in the future?

Hi, The SuperSat 50C is the matching center channel and the SuperSat 3s are the surrounds although you could obviously use SuperSat 50s or another pair of Tritons as surrounds. Sandy Gross
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http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...-triton-two-fl

The Triton Two speakers have an integrated subwoofer in each box. Each sub consists of two 5" by 9" planar drivers mounted on the front with two side-mounted 7" by 10" planar passive radiators. This should increase the Triton Two's bass response considerably, though it makes placement near other objects less desirable. We've seen side-mounted drivers and passive radiators in other speakers, but usually they are placed on one side so that you can still locate the speaker near a cabinet (which is a common situation in multi-purpose rooms). Having a floorstanding speaker out in the middle (or at least far enough away from anything to interfere with the passive radiators) may pose a problem for those that are using the speakers in a home theater setup. Still, this might be a small price to pay for the performance promised. GoldenEar Technology has rated the Triton Twos from 35kHz (15kHz above human hearing) down to a subterranean 16Hz. That's an incredible amount of performance for ~$2,500 a pair.

I'd love to see some test results that prove the speaker does indeed go down to 16Kz (+/- how many db)

Also - how would you place these in a HT setup.

Hi, Normally I would place the Tritons out from the wall about 1 foot and towed in. I like the speakers spread apart at least the distance that you are from them, if not more. Their is a level control on the sub so you have the ability to tune the base relative to the speakers position in the room. Sandy Gross
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Goldenear Tech,

any plans on making some floorstanding speakers without power subs built in?

Hi, Not at this point. Don and I really feel strongly that there are dramatic performance advantages to building the subs into the speakers in terms of blending and coherence. Sandy Gross

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