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DyeLooper,

I have two SuperSat3 paired with two ForceField3 setup as stereo pair in my living room. I have a Bryston 2B SST2 (also a 2B-LP). With either amp I get complements from everyone on the sound. I have no doubt you would be happy with a Bryston amplifier. Personally I think the 4B would be to much power.
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Personally I think the 4B would be to much power.

I think the 2B SST at 100 watts would be good for your SS3. I am using the GE Tritons, & the 4B may be to much? I think I need a little less then the 4B but I am looking for a amp that will kick them up a notch over the Yamaha RX-A2000 at 130/channel. I definitely like the specifications on the Brystons.
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DyeLooper,

When I sent my Cary Audio Cinema 5 in for service on one unstable channel, I hooked the Tritons up with my Bryston 9B-ST THX, they also sounded terrific. FYI, I replaced the Krell KAV-500 with the Bryston. I think you will be very happy with your choice. IMHO, there is nothing too much when it comes to amplifier power.

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I should have said for my room a 4B would be to much. I have a small townhouse.
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Thanks for the help. How did you run the speaker wire and keep the speaker flush against the wall? I wanted to use banana plugs but that may not be an option given they go straight into the terminals. I pre-wired our house and had the sheetrockers punch the speaker wire through the wall. Perhaps I should just make the hole a little bigger and use the banana plugs because the speaker will cover the hole up anyway. Any other suggestions?

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Thanks for the help. How did you run the speaker wire and keep the speaker flush against the wall? I wanted to use banana plugs but that may not be an option given they go straight into the terminals. I pre-wired our house and had the sheetrockers punch the speaker wire through the wall. Perhaps I should just make the hole a little bigger and use the banana plugs because the speaker will cover the hole up anyway. Any other suggestions?

That exactly what I did, just made a small hole in the wall where the speaker wire would come through and the speaker covered it up. The awesome thing is golden ear includes templates with the speaker, those make it fool proof and they didnt cheap out and use tracing paper. It's nice sturdy cardboard so you can lay out things perfectly.
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I currently own a pair of AV123-Onix Strata Mini speakers and a Ref 100 Center, all with a rosewood veneer. I am well aware of the issues surrounding the former owner of AV123, but that is not what this post is about. If you are not familiar with those speakers, they are comprised of the following drivers:

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The Ref 100 lives inside a cabinet on which sits my Pioneer Elite 151 Plasma. The problem is that the center supports inside the cabinet are a little too close together for the Ref 100 to fit. So I have to place it about 4 inches back inside the cabinet where there is a space between the front and back supports. That results, not surprisingly in the cupped hand effect. I have minimized it to some degree through use of the parametric equalizer with different settings at several different frequency ranges on my Yamaha RX-V3800 Receiver. That is not an ideal solution.

An obvious fix is to place the center on top of the cabinet. However it is too tall and would block the TV. That idea has also been vetoed by my wife because it would interfere with the clean look we currently have. I am, therefore, considering getting a SuperSat 50C to replace the Ref 100. It would not block the TV and I think I could get it past the design committee.

22 x 10.75 x 8.75 Vs. 27 x 4.75 x 2.5

Do people think there would be a close enough sound match with the Strata Mini's for this to make sense? Sandy, are you familiar with those speakers enough to have an opinion?

Thanks very much for any help or ideas.

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I'm ready to pull the trigger on a pair of Triton 2's w/SS50 Center but am waiting on the in-ceiling GoldenEar speakers for back application. Anyone have solid information on availability of the in-Ceiling speakers?
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I'm ready to pull the trigger on a pair of Triton 2's w/SS50 Center but am waiting on the in-ceiling GoldenEar speakers for back application. Anyone have solid information on availability of the in-Ceiling speakers?

How do you like the SS50? I'm concerned that its relatively small size and limited bottom end may be too much to overcome. I have to admit, though, that I did listen to it (once), and it sounded fine in the store.
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How do you like the SS50? I'm concerned that its relatively small size and limited bottom end may be too much to overcome. I have to admit, though, that I did listen to it (once), and it sounded fine in the store.

Sorry for the confusion. I don't have them yet. I want to acquire all speakers (including the elusive in-ceiling rear speakers) at the same time.
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duffda,

As mentioned several times before, the bottom end of the SS50 is handled with either the built-in subs in the Tritons or dedicated subs. There's no issue here. In my system, followed Sandy's advice, I set the cross-over for the SS50 at 100Hz, the Tritons & SS50C combo throws a huge homogeneous sound stage. Can't be happier!

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I have now read through this entire thread and it only took me about two weeks to do so.

Sandy has listed the recommended settings several times for using the Tritontwos and a 50C center channel. I know to set the Tritons as "Large" speakers and the center as a "Small". He states to set the crossover on the center between 80-120hz, depending on how loud you listen to your system. Confusing to me is determining what is "loud". In my previous system, the center was set at 80hz. Does the dialog get clearer as you increase the crossover? It is obvious how much bass the Tritons puts out. I am keeping my existing subwoofer in the system as well...

Just for a reference, I usually watch movies with the volume set between -19 to -21. "0" is considered reference..
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Coach,

I used to set the cross-over for my speaker at 10hz above its limit. So the cross-over for the SS50C was set at 70Hz. With this setting, the 50C felt small. I seldom felt any impact from my surround speakers.

After I changed it to 100Hz, the front sound stage became huge and uniform. If I remember correctly, Sandy said in a previous post, if you set the cross-over higher, you relieve your speaker from the low frequency duty, it will sound louder and therefore clearer.

Following this principle, I re-set all 4 of my surround speakers to 100Hz, my whole system have never sounded this good before. Every movie/music blu-ray that I had watched sounded so much better now that I've been going thru them like crazy.

I am using the Tritons as large (full range) and let my REL Storm handle the low frequencies of the 50C and surrounds. For movies, I usually listen at -18 to -20 and -12 to -16 for classical/musical blu-ray, depending on the sound level of individual disc. I found that, with the Tritons/50C combo, I can crank the volume up quite a bit.

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DeeGee,

Thank you for the detailed response back to my post. I haven't done much with these yet and the settings on my Anthem are still based on my old speaker setup. Hopefully by this weekend I can sit down and run the ARC along with watching some good action movies. Only movie watched has been a comedy with zero explosions or anything needing subs..lol
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DeeGee,

Thank you for the detailed response back to my post. I haven't done much with these yet and the settings on my Anthem are still based on my old speaker setup. Hopefully by this weekend I can sit down and run the ARC along with watching some good action movies. Only movie watched has been a comedy with zero explosions or anything needing subs..lol

If you run ARC, it will probably set the SS50 crossover at 120-150Hz. In my room, Audyssey set the SS50 to 150Hz because it falls off a cliff much below that. If it produces anything at 60Hz, it's far below -3db from what it does at 150+Hz.


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I wanted to check out the Triton Two's but do to cost and a 2 year old I went with a pair of MartinLogan Motion 12's for less then half the cost of one Triton Two. My plan was to just go with the Motion 4 for surrounds and Motion 8 for a center speaker but as a price comparison to the Motion 4's are the same cost as the SuperSat 3's for surrounds and maybe for a center speaker or even the SuperSat 50 which is only a 100 bucks more. In all honesty I really don't get much out of all the numbers that go with speakers so I'm wondering what people think of them in comparing them to each other? I am undecided as to what I'm doing with a receiver as I don't have one yet and the current room is something like 12x25 and will be moving next year and room size of course is unknown.

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Frequency Response 70-25,000 Hz ± 3dB
Sensitivity 90 dB/2.83 volts/meter
Impedance 4 Ohms. Compatible with 4, 6,
or 8 Ohm rated amplifiers.
Crossover Frequency 2900 Hz
High Frequency Driver 1 x 1.4 (2.6 x 3.6 cm) Folded Motion
Transducer with 5.25 x 1.75
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Mid/Low Freq. Drivers 4 (10.2 cm) paper cone.
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Recommended Amp 20-150 watts
Weight 6 lbs. (2.72 kg)
Size (HxWxD) 12.6 x 5.6 x 5.25
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Dimensions 12" H (W) x 4.75" W (H) x 2.7" D
Weight 5 lbs (product) / 6 lbs (shipping)
Frequency Response 80 Hz - 35 kHz
Efficiency 92 dB
Nominal Impedance Compatible with 8 ohms
Driver Complement

Two - 4-1/2" High-Definition cast-basket MVPP mid/bass drivers
One - HVFR High-Velocity Folded Ribbon Tweeter
Recommended Amplification 20 - 200 watt/channel


SuperStat 50

Dimensions 27" H (W) x 4.75" W (H) x 2.5" D
Weight 7 lbs (product) / 8 lbs (shipping)
Frequency Response 60 Hz - 35 kHz
Efficiency 92 dB
Nominal Impedance Compatible with 8 ohms
Driver Complement

Two - 4 x 7 Quadratic Planar Low Frequency Radiators
Two - 4-1/2" High-Definition cast-basket MVPP mid/bass drivers
One - HVFR High-Velocity Folded Ribbon Tweeter
Recommended Amplification 20 - 200 watt/channel


Motion 8

Frequency Response 70-25,000 Hz ± 3dB
Sensitivity 89 dB/2.83 volts/meter
Impedance 4 Ohms. Compatible with 4, 6,
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Crossover Frequency 3000 Hz
High Frequency Driver 1 x 1.4 (2.6 x 3.6 cm) Folded
Motion Transducer with 5.25 x 1.75
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Mid/Low Freq. Drivers Two 4 (10.2 cm) paper cone.
Recommended Amp 20-180 watts
Weight 8.5 lbs. (3.85 kg)
Size (HxWxD) 5.6 x 22.25 x 5.25
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Was also leaning towards the SVS PC12-NSD DSP as a subwoofer.
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Ss3 + ss50c + a good sub is a killer setup. You may be tempted to use the motion 12s as the surrounds and the ss3 as mains
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Hi, I'm looking to get a TritonCinema 2 HT system and was wondering if the SuperSat 3s can be mounted on the ceiling? Are there special mounts?

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Hi, I'm looking to get a TritonCinema 2 HT system and was wondering if the SuperSat 3s can be mounted on the ceiling? Are there special mounts?

Goldenear doesn't provide information on or mounts for ceiling mounting, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've used mounts from best buy (gasp!) that would probably work to mount them on a ceiling. Do you want them firing down or to the side?
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Goldenear doesn't provide information on or mounts for ceiling mounting, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. In fact, I've used mounts from best buy (gasp!) that would probably work to mount them on a ceiling. Do you want them firing down or to the side?

I would like to point the surrounds at the center listener spot from the ceiling?

Would the TritonCinema 2 system be enough for a 20'x20'x10' room?

Also, I currently have a HK AVR-254 receiver that does 7.1 50w per channel. Is this sufficient or do I need to buy a new receiver?

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I would like to point the surrounds at the center listener spot from the ceiling?

If you google for ceiling speaker mounts you'll see lots that will work for you. Just look for ones that bend in the middle and are fairly sturdy. With that style, one end screws into the ceiling (hitting a joist is MUCH preferred) and then they bend in the middle to direct the face of the speaker toward the listener (like an L). I have ones like this wall mounted.

There may be other style mounts that will work for you too.

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Would the TritonCinema 2 system be enough for a 20'x20'x10' room?
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My room is about 17x25x10 (and the 25 doesn't include our bar) and it works very well. I do use a separate sub for movies.

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Also, I currently have a HK AVR-254 receiver that does 7.1 50w per channel. Is this sufficient or do I need to buy a new receiver?

I'm not sure how low you can go comfortably. I'm using an anthem mca50 and it works fine, but that's 200W into each of the 5 channels. Maybe someone else has tried a lower output amp?
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Anybody using the Tritontwos and supersat50C with an Anthem MRX300/500/700 receiver?

I ran ARC for the first time and it DID NOT like my center channel at all. It crossed it over at 120hz and according to the folks over in the Anthem thread, it might have a blown woofer in it..

Just curious if anybody else had some wacky issues as well..
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Coach, this is bluman1981 from blu-ray.com. I have a Marantz AV 7005 and my 50c is set to 100hz along with my 50 rears. My Triton two's are set to large. Sounds awesome. No issues.
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Anybody using the Tritontwos and supersat50C with an Anthem MRX300/500/700 receiver?

I ran ARC for the first time and it DID NOT like my center channel at all. It crossed it over at 120hz and according to the folks over in the Anthem thread, it might have a blown woofer in it..

Just curious if anybody else had some wacky issues as well..

No blown woofers. When I ran an Audyssey calibration, it set the SS50 at 150hz. The speaker just cannot go flat down anywhere near the quoted specs. Their measured -3db point is something like 107hz.


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After four hours yesterday of messing around with position and running ARC, the best results have come with the center all the way back on my entertainment center(see pic) but still even there it isn't near what it should be. The sound is improving(getting louder and a tad clearer) but I am going to adjust my sub levels and try something suggested by a forum member over in the Anthem thread to get a good A/B comparison. Turns out that my Axiom sub might be doing more harm than good paired with the Tritons...

I really hope I can get the center to sound good or I will be REALLY disappointed in this purchase. Originally, I had my doubts on the size and build of the center channel. This thread and another one sold me that size didn't matter and this setup would be wonderful..

Let me also say that my room layout might be causing some of the issues and within a year I am hoping to have this stuff in a new house with a dedicated room.

Hopefully after a few more days of playing around with things, the sound will be good enough to start enjoying..
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After four hours yesterday of messing around with position and running ARC, the best results have come with the center all the way back on my entertainment center(see pic) but still even there it isn't near what it should be. The sound is improving(getting louder and a tad clearer) but I am going to adjust my sub levels and try something suggested by a forum member over in the Anthem thread to get a good A/B comparison. Turns out that my Axiom sub might be doing more harm than good paired with the Tritons...

I really hope I can get the center to sound good or I will be REALLY disappointed in this purchase. Originally, I had my doubts on the size and build of the center channel. This thread and another one sold me that size didn't matter and this setup would be wonderful..

Let me also say that my room layout might be causing some of the issues and within a year I am hoping to have this stuff in a new house with a dedicated room.

Hopefully after a few more days of playing around with things, the sound will be good enough to start enjoying..

I forgot to include the picture on the previous post.
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Anybody using a receiver or pre-pro with Audyssey like I am? After the break in period I reran Audyssey and it set the Tritons at large like supposed to be, Supersat 50c and 50 surrounds as small. It had the Tritons at 40hz for bass management and 50c and 50's at 100hz. I reran it again this morning and it set the Triton's bass at 120hz still set to large and the rest stayed at 100hz and small. Thought that it was weird. Not enough bass so I set the Tritons back at 40hz and the bass is better. My sub dials are set at 9 o'clock
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I forgot to include the picture on the previous post.

I have noticed the same with my setup. Try moving your center channel to the front of your stand and/or try placing the speaker on about 8cd's on the right and left side of the speaker to raise it up. One of these or a mix will help substantially.I noticed the sound is bouncing of the stand and is sounding muffled. I run the center out to the front of the stand when watching a movie, NFL game, or a DirecTV movie. Otherwise I have it set back when not in use. See post 883 for pictures and 887 for some more information.
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