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cvictorg,

May I suggest that you put some "quotation marks" around the paragraph you just posted? As you quoted Kals comments from his article, it might lead to less confusion for someone.

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"First off, Sandy Gross's new company Golden Ear Technology offered a tidy line of clean-sounding overachievers. Even the top of the line Triton Two Tower is only $2500/pair for a full 3-way system with powered dual woofers and a ribbon tweeter reminiscent of the Heil ribbon design. The accompanying picture fails to convey the sleekness of the tower and, of course, you will have to take my word that it sounded balanced and decidedly full-range. The rest of the line includes the smaller SuperSat 3 ($250 each), a larger SuperSat 50 ($500 each), both passive 2-ways in both horizontal and vertical configurations as well as a pair of complementary powered subs; all get their good looks from the design for the towers. Sandy knows what he is doing."

Kal - can you expand on your initial impressions?

Not really. I heard about 4-5 selections of various music, none of it familiar to me. It was open and fairly transparent with good bass extension. If I said any more, it would be too context-specific and presumptuous and it would require different listening conditions.

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Not really. I heard about 4-5 selections of various music, none of it familiar to me. It was open and fairly transparent with good bass extension. If I said any more, it would be too context-specific and presumptuous and it would require different listening conditions.

Does Stereophile plan to review any of the Golden Ear speakers?

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Hi, I normally don't get involved in these forums, although I enjoy reading them. However, when someone says that I am out of my mind, I think that it is time to step in. I assume that, based on your screen name, you must like the previous speakers that I have created, which is gratifying and appreciated. When I read some of your statements I suppose that I can understand them, to some degree, because you have not seen or heard the new speakers. Let me assure you that the Triton Two Tower is absolutely nothing like a "rebadged Mythos" and believe me, I should know as I designed both. The Triton Tower is a different size and shape and ID, different cosmetics, constructed of different materials and a totally different construction, different finish, different drivers (wait until you hear the new tweeter, you will flip out, as listeners did yesterday, see Darryl's Wilkinson's blog post on Home Theater entitled" Are Domes Done?), different and much, much more powerful sub amp, different sonic signature etc. etc. I could go on and on. The Mythos ST and STS are great speakers. The Triton Two is much better. This was absolutely the response of the dealers and press who came by yesterday at the show and I hope and expect that it will be your reaction too when you have an opportunity to hear the Triton. Most people continue to get better and better at what they do as they continue to learn and get more experience and you can see and hear this as you follow my speakers over the last 38 years. I think that I can confidently say that the Triton Tower is the best yet. And yes, the tweeter is a new and updated version of the Heil. It is fantastic and we are seeing similar designs showing up in some very high-end speakers including the mega-buck Lyngdorf-Steinway. Wait until you hear it. Sandy Gross

Wow!

I am a GENIUS for getting Sandy Gross to PERSONALLY respond to my post!!!

Yes, I love the BP7000SCs. I also own the BP7001SC, CLR3000, & Trinity.

Yes, I should NOT judge a speaker by it's "cover".

The Triton2 may be the best sounding speakers you have ever designed.

But Sandy, could you pretty please list the frequency response as +/-3dB @ 90dB 1w/m?

The world has changed, and we the consumers and fans of yours would like a more "scientific" and "industry-standard" frequency response. In addition, please also include the horizontal and vertical off-axis response.
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Wow! 18hz bass response! That's mighty impressive!!! You certainly don't need a sub with those...their manual even rates the speakers down to 16hz...

The so-called "16Hz" response tranlates in the real world to about "36Hz @ 90dB from 1 meter distance".

I mean SERIOUSLY.

This is the one of the areas that have given DefTech a BAD NAME!!!

And GoldenEar Tech is doing the same thing!

They need to specify the TOLERANCE +/-3dB; otherwise it is 100% WORTHLESS!!!!

To say that the Triton2's response is 36Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB @ 90dB 1w/m means 100% MORE than saying it is "16Hz-20kHz" or whatever.

I would hope that Sandy Gross would put an END to this ridiculous marketing tactic!

Otherwise, I will stand my statement that "Sandy Gross has lost his mind!"
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Well it's pretty obvious he's completely opposed to change Just look at the new speaker design!
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Yeah...if they look the same they must sound the same, right?

I mean, everyone knows this is true of all speakers, no?
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Does Stereophile plan to review any of the Golden Ear speakers?

I do not know. Ask the Editor.

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The initial impressions of these speakers are good:

http://hometheaterreview.com/cedia-2...-del-colliano/

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Sandy Gross, the co-founder of Polk and Defintivie Technologies, is back with a new loudspeaker line that opens with a kick ass $2,500 pair of speakers. The new floorstanding towers are thin with a tapered top. Unlike past designs at Defintitve Technologies, these new towers aren't bipolar but they do rock the bass. The most notable element of the speakers is its high velocity folded tweeter that delivers that Magnepan-like top end that you simply don't hear with mass-market speakers. Dollar for dollar Golden Ear was making the best sound at CEDIA.

And here is a picture of a white speaker, the SuperSat50, I believe?



http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...-triton-two-fl

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Sandy was playing acoustical piano to showcase the tonal accuracy of the speakers but it was simply lost in the high noisefloor. I suggested more upbeat dynamic music and he asked me what my poison was. My reply was Progressive Jazz and his answer was Pat Metheny. It was as if he had a direct feed to my brain to hear my thoughts. This was right at about the same time the Car Audio show demo next door took a momentary break and I really got a chance to hear what was going on. Upon first listen, I immediately locked onto the Pat's electric guitar which I am intimately familiar with. The Triton Two's got the tonality correct which was a tribute to the well executed D'Appolito MTM driver arrangement. Bass was tight and well extended. The soundstage was expansive making it a real pleasure to hear full length songs which I really didn't have the time for but decided to sacrifice some extra show coverage for a great listening experience.

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Good grief, if this thread is going to turn into a bash-session typical to those circling around DT in these parts, please tell me now.

We get it. DT and now Golden Ear apparently do not list a -3 and/or -5db response spec.

Would it really matter anyway? Seriously?

With all the clamoring for 7/9/11 channel 360 degrees of 80hz and up and letting 1, 2 or seventeen subs handlle the bass I seriously doubt most of you really care to begin with.

Use your head. If you are supposedly clever enough to ask for a -3db figure, you should well know it won't be at 16/18hz to begin with in a cabinet the size of olive oyl's leg.

I'd guess around 30-35ish...and probably not at 115db's, which I know is a deal-breaker for the usual suspects.

I'll hold my verdict until I actually hear the loudspeakers, thanks.

James

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Tech (responding to laughter): "I'm sorry sir, did I miss something?"

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Olive Oyl's leg was pretty funny. I heard though she got implants.

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Yeah, I feel bad that I mis-SP'd her name at first.

Bet nobody here knows that Sweet Pea wasn't her and Popeye's kid, lol.

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This is probably what she'd look like today with all the beauty products available. Make sure you salute those.


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Yeah, I feel bad that I mis-SP'd her name at first.

Bet nobody here knows that Sweet Pea wasn't her and Popeye's kid, lol.

James

Not in the PG version, at least.

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How do you think the Triton Two tower will compare to Magnepan or Gallo speakers?
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For the money these speakers are excellent. I spent about 30 minutes with them [that = two demos]. To me they are way above the new BP series from Def. Tech. but I did not get a chance to listen to the Mythos which are also impressive for the money.

In regards to value, for the asking price, you can't go wrong IMHO.

As for me I do wish they were set up in a surround environment but Mr. G loves two channel and ARC [that was used at CEDIA] and PASS LABS [used at CES with the DT Mythos] gear!

I gave the rep my card and took his. Once they get production going I'm very interested.

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Wow!

I am a GENIUS for getting Sandy Gross to PERSONALLY respond to my post!!!

Yes, I love the BP7000SCs. I also own the BP7001SC, CLR3000, & Trinity.

Yes, I should NOT judge a speaker by it's "cover".

The Triton2 may be the best sounding speakers you have ever designed.

But Sandy, could you pretty please list the frequency response as +/-3dB @ 90dB 1w/m?

The world has changed, and we the consumers and fans of yours would like a more "scientific" and "industry-standard" frequency response. In addition, please also include the horizontal and vertical off-axis response.



First Off, Im No expert, And NO I havent heard the New Golden Ear Towers, I dont even Own a Pair of Def. Tech's.....A Friend of mine does and Yes, the BP7002's do sound Awesome.....He's had for about 1 1/2 year Now, so Ive have had Many Chance's to Listen to them....Even considered to Maybe Purchase a Pair Myself.....There Value and there Performance are Equall to Only a Handfull of speakers......So, You Now have Def. Tech and Golden Ear competing against one another.....

Sandy Goss Says " The Triton Tower is a different size and shape and ID, different cosmetics, constructed of different materials and a totally different construction, different finish " Ok, So Golden Ear has a Different Shape and Finish..but Comparatively, to the Mythos STS, how different are they Really?????

Sandy Goss says " Different Drivers " Thats Expected, Cant Have the same design of Def. Tech....But are they really better, In the end??? ---> Also Golden Ear isnt Bi-Polar, so how can they even be compared to Def. Tech. ?? That would have almost Certainly Put the Nail in the coffin for Golden Ear if they were Bi-Polar

Sandy Goss says " Wait till you hear the New Tweeter " Again, cant have same design as Def. Tech, but then again a Ribbon Tweeter Has its Merits also, Although, I Openly admit, I dont know the difference between all types of tweeters

Sandy Goss says " More Powerful amp " 1200W just seems Like Overkill

Sandy Goss says " Different Sonic Signature " but that can be said about any speaker...even Bose

I Know it sounds like Im hating, but is Golden Ear really That Much different compared to Def. Tech??? I dont think many People would have an issue if Def. tech wasnt in the Picture, but they are...Secondly, The Co-Founder of Polk, is the Co-Founder of Def. Tech, who is also the Co-founder of Golden Ear.....I do Admire Sandy's Drive to Create and Never Rest

Obviously, Sandy has a Love for the Def. Tech Design he helped Create....Yes, Golden Ear is different by Sandy Goss's Opinions, whether its Cosmetic or Sonic, But I think Many, will view his New Design as a Side Step instead of a Leap Forward
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Good grief, if this thread is going to turn into a bash-session typical to those circling around DT in these parts, please tell me now.

We get it. DT and now Golden Ear apparently do not list a -3 and/or -5db response spec.

Would it really matter anyway? Seriously?

With all the clamoring for 7/9/11 channel 360 degrees of 80hz and up and letting 1, 2 or seventeen subs handlle the bass I seriously doubt most of you really care to begin with.

Use your head. If you are supposedly clever enough to ask for a -3db figure, you should well know it won't be at 16/18hz to begin with in a cabinet the size of olive oyl's leg.

I'd guess around 30-35ish...and probably not at 115db's, which I know is a deal-breaker for the usual suspects.

I'll hold my verdict until I actually hear the loudspeakers, thanks.

James

We don't request the +/-3dB for our own good.

The general public knows very little, and they think that all frequency repsonses are the same.

We request it for the good of the public. A lot of people feel that DefTech has deceived them with the frequency response.

I guess YOU don't care about how some people feel, but some of us do care.

There is NO HARM in being more "honest" about the actual frequency response.

Is there a harm in providing the actual anechoic +/-3dB response, or is that WAY TOO much to ask for, especially when most companies product that?
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...I think Many will view his New Design as a Side Step instead of a Leap Forward

It's hard to believe anything from any company that can't even be honest enough to publish the actual anechoic +/-3dB frequency reponse!

To say that a speaker goes down to "16Hz" when it actually only goes down to 30Hz @ -3dB @ 90dB from 1 meter distance is a lie in my book.

And going from a BIPOLE design back to a MONOPOLE design is going BACKWARD, not even sideways!
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Sandy...If you truly Read these forums...Please, send me a Pair of Triton Towers and Prove me wrong that there More than just a Loosely Designed Mythos STS....Sincerely, Rob
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50K80 [Rob],

That's a great idea. Why not make that offer with every amp, surrounds sound processor, speaker, cable, projector, screen, preamp, turntable, CD/SACD player, music server company that exist.

Then you can report back to tell us how thats working for ya...

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is there going to be a bidding war for the inside cover of sound & vision between def tech and golden ear ?

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50K80 [Rob],

That's a great idea. Why not make that offer with every amp, surrounds sound processor, speaker, cable, projector, screen, preamp, turntable, CD/SACD player, music server company that exist.

Then you can report back to tell us how thats working for ya...

Though I dont Usually Practice this Theory.....It certainly Should challenge Golden Ear to respond

Anyone who is in the Market will surely compare the Mythos STS and the Triton Tower...So, yes, there will be a Battle of Sorts, But Honestly which ever route you take, you Cant go Wrong.....There the same thing
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So if you feel they are the same thing as you claim then the GET Triton wins by default for its $2500 MSRP.

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So if you feel they are the same thing as you claim then the GET Triton wins by default for its $2500 MSRP.

Yes.....The Similiarally Comparable Mythos STS's are $500 More than the Triton, So Yes, Golden Ear is the better buy.....
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is there going to be a bidding war for the inside cover of sound & vision between def tech and golden ear ?

They will alternate.

GoldenEar gets page 1 this month, then DefTech gets page 1 the following month.

Most people won't even notice any difference when they open the magazine.
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First Off, Im No expert, And NO I havent heard the New Golden Ear Towers, I dont even Own a Pair of Def. Tech's.....A Friend of mine does and Yes, the BP7002's do sound Awesome.....He's had for about 1 1/2 year Now, so Ive have had Many Chance's to Listen to them....Even considered to Maybe Purchase a Pair Myself.....There Value and there Performance are Equall to Only a Handfull of speakers......So, You Now have Def. Tech and Golden Ear competing against one another.....

Sandy Goss Says " The Triton Tower is a different size and shape and ID, different cosmetics, constructed of different materials and a totally different construction, different finish " Ok, So Golden Ear has a Different Shape and Finish..but Comparatively, to the Mythos STS, how different are they Really?????

Sandy Goss says " Different Drivers " Thats Expected, Cant Have the same design of Def. Tech....But are they really better, In the end??? ---> Also Golden Ear isnt Bi-Polar, so how can they even be compared to Def. Tech. ?? That would have almost Certainly Put the Nail in the coffin for Golden Ear if they were Bi-Polar

Sandy Goss says " Wait till you hear the New Tweeter " Again, cant have same design as Def. Tech, but then again a Ribbon Tweeter Has its Merits also, Although, I Openly admit, I dont know the difference between all types of tweeters

Sandy Goss says " More Powerful amp " 1200W just seems Like Overkill

Sandy Goss says " Different Sonic Signature " but that can be said about any speaker...even Bose

I Know it sounds like Im hating, but is Golden Ear really That Much different compared to Def. Tech??? I dont think many People would have an issue if Def. tech wasnt in the Picture, but they are...Secondly, The Co-Founder of Polk, is the Co-Founder of Def. Tech, who is also the Co-founder of Golden Ear.....I do Admire Sandy's Drive to Create and Never Rest

Obviously, Sandy has a Love for the Def. Tech Design he helped Create....Yes, Golden Ear is different by Sandy Goss's Opinions, whether its Cosmetic or Sonic, But I think Many, will view his New Design as a Side Step instead of a Leap Forward

Why such a strong opinion about speakers you've never heard?

Also, I've been puzzling over why you've chosen to capitalize certain words and not others. My conclusion is that a secret code must be in play, tough to crack though...

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Why such a strong opinion about speakers you've never heard?

Also, I've been puzzling over why you've chosen to capitalize certain words and not others. My conclusion is that a secret code must be in play, tough to crack though...

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Every third capitalization moves to the front. Count ten beyond that and put it second. At capital number 12 take 4 steps back and divide the letter by 2, that's the position alphabet you'll use in spot three.
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They will alternate.

GoldenEar gets page 1 this month, then DefTech gets page 1 the following month.

Most people won't even notice any difference when they open the magazine.


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Originally Posted by RonaldoCombs View Post

Why such a strong opinion about speakers you've never heard?

Also, I've been puzzling over why you've chosen to capitalize certain words and not others. My conclusion is that a secret code must be in play, tough to crack though...

Ron

Ron....I guess it wouldnt be so Questionable, if Sandy Goss Created something completely different than a Design Like, Mmmmm Lets say.... Def. Tech????

Given Sandy's reputation.....He certainly didnt Re-Invent the Wheel here,
Sandy's job is to, Create and Push the Boundries of whats Currently out in the Market Place....Not Re-Create....In the End, whether People choose to Believe it or Not, its a Modified Mythos STS

My Typing, BTW....I dont Know, have Always typed like this....
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