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Fanaticalism's Avatar Fanaticalism 08:12 AM 03-11-2010
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hehe, I am ashamed

But Im happy to learn something new today....Well I learned many things today, it was another audio breakthrough for me! Seriously!! It was a great day in understanding speaker design a little better. Three terms "Excessive Phase", "linearity" and "Group Delays", these are now what I believe are the keys to the best sound possible, more important then any FR plot.

Anyhow...My appologies to the AV123 strata owners but check out this independant measurement

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/mea...3_strata_mini/

some nasty stuff in there

You left out impulse response.
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Stacy Huff's Avatar Stacy Huff 08:18 AM 03-11-2010
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Now, if NEW information comes to light, and they find out Schifter actually paid every charity every penny he collected for them, I will change my mind.

From reading the indictments and what has been posted about the law in Colorado, even if every penny had been paid to the charities, he STILL would be guilty, because as a for-profit company he wasn't eligible for a charitable gaming license. Of course, the penalty in that case would no doubt be much different.
Randy Bessinger's Avatar Randy Bessinger 08:23 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

He's going to need to glue his monocle and top hat in place.

There needs to be an award for the best retort post of all time and I vote that one.
penngray's Avatar penngray 08:33 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

You left out impulse response.

Well actually, not really. Its just assumed since everything is derived from doing an impulse response measurement. You can not get anywhere without it.
Stereodude's Avatar Stereodude 08:36 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Randy Bessinger View Post

There needs to be an award for the best retort post of all time and I vote that one.

Yeah, it was pure brilliance. Here is it is for everyone who missed it.

John E. Johnson Jr. posted the following:
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I was told that there are some lower end A/V forums out there that are piling on Mark Schifter with insults and accusations. This is what one would expect from the lower classes I guess.

To which Bighe Wallie (aka Big Wally) replied with:
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Indeed, good sir. I was aghast over reading such to the extent that my top hat shot off of my head and my monocle became dislodged. Why in fact, not a single one of these urchins lost more than my monthly mustache wax budget.


penngray's Avatar penngray 08:42 AM 03-11-2010
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I firmly believed OJ Simpson was guilty. Then a whacko group of his peers found him "not guilty". I still firmly believe OJ Simpson is guilty. I think Schifter is guilty - no jury or judge will change my mind based on the facts as I know them.

Now, if NEW information comes to light, and they find out Schifter actually paid every charity every penny he collected for them, I will change my mind.

Thats two people so it does not make an opinion statistically relavent. It can go both ways, have you ever considered someone guilty that was truely innocent ?

btw, Im not saying Mark is innocent eithe!!. Im asking about the hypothetical.

In the end the courts will punish Mark. Im sorry that some here feel the need to go further and emotions control their day about this but SERIOUSLY why are people still spending time on an issue like this when there are SERIOUS issues in the world to address. Spend time and money fighting the big problems that effect far more people.

New Orleans has still parts of it in shambles. Haiti has 100 thousand in tents and rain is coming. I mean > 10 thousand people died because of inadequate health care last year in the US. I do not see much focus on that issue (polticians are the blame for years of BS) but a guy screws some people out of money, none are dying from that scam, 99.9% will live a very succesful life in decent homes after the scam. Still here we are, its the biggest thing some can focus on.

I understand the "Its close to home" POV but sometimes the amount effort on something that is truely meaningless in the real world amazes me. Its just another small scam in a world that has 100s per day.
NicolasKL's Avatar NicolasKL 08:47 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

Yeah, it was pure brilliance. Here is it is for everyone who missed it.

John E. Johnson Jr. posted the following:


To which Bighe Wallie (aka Big Wally) replied with:

Epic.
Chu Gai's Avatar Chu Gai 09:18 AM 03-11-2010
Oh, come now Penn! No one bugs you about your obsession with DIY. Or all the golf you play even though Barkley laughs at you. Or for that matter the strip joints you go to (btw, are we still on for the trip to Costa Rica?). Schifter's become a reality show. Just be glad Nancy Grace didn't get a hold of this story because then it would never end.
Mikeb53's Avatar Mikeb53 09:28 AM 03-11-2010
I have been watching here, and I can't help but wonder how much longer will everyone beat this dead horse?
Randy Bessinger's Avatar Randy Bessinger 09:36 AM 03-11-2010
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I have been watching here, and I can't help but wonder how much longer will everyone beat this dead horse?

Until we find out how many diseases the horse was afflicted with and that it is safe for burying.
Stereodude's Avatar Stereodude 09:42 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Mikeb53 View Post

I have been watching here, and I can't help but wonder how much longer will everyone beat this dead horse?

What do you care? Is someone forcing you to watch the beating?
David James's Avatar David James 09:47 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Mikeb53 View Post

I have been watching here, and I can't help but wonder how much longer will everyone beat this dead horse?

For those that were part of the original "cult", it's a matter of redemption.
For those that find pleasure in the misery of others, it's entertainment.
For those new to the situation, it's part of the caveat emptor educational process
For me, it's a fascinating insight into the darker side of human nature (yes, that includes ALL aspects of the events)
goneten's Avatar goneten 10:30 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Mikeb53 View Post

I have been watching here, and I can't help but wonder how much longer will everyone beat this dead horse?

Did you know that two 'I''s in one sentence reeks of self-indulgence ? I didn't know either. Indeed and of course, speaking in third-person asking a rhetorical question that 99% of people will ignore is not going to be helpful. Of course, debating in third person against a person arguing in third person can be frustrating, I admit but has been done before.

Now, be that as it may, the reasons why people will ignore your rant can be summarized as follows:

1) If you are not part of the group that was hurt and argue against that group then you will kicked in the head.

2) Speaking in pseudo-third person doesn't always work out as planned

bYe nOw.

Regards,
Tack's Avatar Tack 11:14 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Stereodude View Post

Yeah, it was pure brilliance. Here is it is for everyone who missed it.

John E. Johnson Jr. posted the following:


To which Bighe Wallie (aka Big Wally) replied with:


The are no holes in that reply. There is NO way to make it better. Its definitely
one of the all time greats. Guy should be getting paid for that kind of stuff.
Mikeb53's Avatar Mikeb53 11:16 AM 03-11-2010
I Didn't know it was a rant. I thought it was an observation. I am so sorry. That's three "I's" .
David Haddad's Avatar David Haddad 11:22 AM 03-11-2010
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I have been watching here, and I can't help but wonder how much longer will everyone beat this dead horse?

So you're new to the Internet ?
goneten's Avatar goneten 11:26 AM 03-11-2010
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I Didn't know it was a rant. I thought it was an observation. I am so sorry. That's three "I's" .

Uber....self...indulge....ence !!!!

Regards,
goneten's Avatar goneten 11:29 AM 03-11-2010
David, if all goes well, I'll be taking over your position soon. We are in the 'discussing-all-past-issues-with-other-members-over-the-last-7 years' period. I'm hopeful for a positive result. Of course, with my recent banning....

Regards,
craig john's Avatar craig john 11:37 AM 03-11-2010
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David, if all goes well, I'll be taking over your position soon. We are in the 'discussing-all-past-issues-with-other-members-over-the-last-7 years' period. I'm hopeful for a positive result. Of course, with my recent banning....

Regards,

You would be better off starting your own forum. Then you could have conversations with yourself in whatever "person" you wanted to be. First person, pleural might work out best for you.

Craig
jhan1000's Avatar jhan1000 11:39 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by David Haddad View Post

So you're new to the Internet ?


LOL! True dat!
blindcat7's Avatar blindcat7 11:49 AM 03-11-2010
I have also been watching this and have tried to pretty much stay out of the discussion since my only personal stake in this is that I know, at least casually, and like some of the people that have been hurt by this set of events and that I find what happened with the charities extremely disturbing and disgusting.

But I feel something should be pointed out on this comment. What dead horse? The case hasn't gone to court, there hasn't even been a plea. There are still unresolved issues involving the company outstanding. So, while the horse may have been beaten for a very long time, I would say it is still very much alive.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion on the level of others' interest in this subject, but regardless of how you feel about that, an ongoing set of events is hardly a dead horse.

Just my opinion,

Chris

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I have been watching here, and I can't help but wonder how much longer will everyone beat this dead horse?


goneten's Avatar goneten 11:51 AM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

Then you could have conversations with yourself in whatever "person" you wanted to be.

Ouch.

Regards,
mziegler's Avatar mziegler 12:06 PM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by David James View Post

For those that were part of the original "cult", it's a matter of redemption.
For those that find pleasure in the misery of others, it's entertainment.
For those new to the situation, it's part of the caveat emptor educational process
For me, it's a fascinating insight into the darker side of human nature (yes, that includes ALL aspects of the events)


Great summary.
Armaan's Avatar Armaan 12:14 PM 03-11-2010
Stereodude, relax haha...don't get so emotional.
Robert Whitehead's Avatar Robert Whitehead 01:45 PM 03-11-2010
I was a lawyer for 25 years (than god, now retired). Our legal system is supposedly designed to do two things: 1) determine the truth or facts of a matter; and 2) meet out justice according to those facts.

I can assure you that those two are the things our legal system is WORST at doing.

Whether a person is arrested or not; indicted or not; found guilty or not is absolutely NO indication at all if the person is truly guilty or not of the crime charged.

So make up your own mind as to the guilt or innocence of MLS, OJ, or the dozens released from death row. It will be far more accurate than whatever the legal system determines.
Randy Bessinger's Avatar Randy Bessinger 01:55 PM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

I was a lawyer for 25 years (than god, now retired). Our legal system is supposedly designed to do two things: 1) determine the truth or facts of a matter; and 2) meet out justice according to those facts.

I can assure you that those two are the things our legal system is WORST at doing.

Whether a person is arrested or not; indicted or not; found guilty or not is absolutely NO indication at all if the person is truly guilty or not of the crime charged.

So make up your own mind as to the guilt or innocence of MLS, OJ, or the dozens released from death row. It will be far more accurate than whatever the legal system determines.

Wow, that is truely sad.
gunbunnysoulja's Avatar gunbunnysoulja 02:01 PM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by SimpleTheater View Post

I firmly believed OJ Simpson was guilty. Then a whacko group of his peers found him "not guilty". I still firmly believe OJ Simpson is guilty. I think Schifter is guilty - no jury or judge will change my mind based on the facts as I know them.

lol How did OJ come up! I love this thread!!!

Since the topic is up, my cousin was part of the civil trial and testified against him!
flattie's Avatar flattie 02:07 PM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

I was a lawyer for 25 years (than god, now retired). Our legal system is supposedly designed to do two things: 1) determine the truth or facts of a matter; and 2) meet out justice according to those facts.

I can assure you that those two are the things our legal system is WORST at doing.

Whether a person is arrested or not; indicted or not; found guilty or not is absolutely NO indication at all if the person is truly guilty or not of the crime charged.

So make up your own mind as to the guilt or innocence of MLS, OJ, or the dozens released from death row. It will be far more accurate than whatever the legal system determines.

I think you mean to say "mete" not "meet" out justice.

Unless you really mean "meat" out justice perhaps in some vague reference to what happens at night in prison to those on the bottom bunk.
goneten's Avatar goneten 02:15 PM 03-11-2010
The burden of proof lies on the claimant making the positive claim ! Heavens....to....Betsy....

Regards,
KlipschHead281's Avatar KlipschHead281 02:19 PM 03-11-2010
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Originally Posted by Robert Whitehead View Post

I was a lawyer for 25 years (than god, now retired). Our legal system is supposedly designed to do two things: 1) determine the truth or facts of a matter; and 2) meet out justice according to those facts.

I can assure you that those two are the things our legal system is WORST at doing.

It's still the best system on the planet, flawed yes but I can't think of another country where I'd rather get arrested... errr so to speak.

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Whether a person is arrested or not; indicted or not; found guilty or not is absolutely NO indication at all if the person is truly guilty or not of the crime charged.

So make up your own mind as to the guilt or innocence of MLS, OJ, or the dozens released from death row. It will be far more accurate than whatever the legal system determines.

All I can say to this is, I'm glad you're retired. The system gets it wrong sometimes, it also gets it right. Typically it's the LAWYERS who screw everything up. So blame the system, I prefer to blame the blood sucking lawyers.
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