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http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=20988


© 2010 Longmont Times-Call

LONGMONT - A statewide grand jury on Friday indicted a Longmont man on suspicion of running illegal charity raffles, according to the Colorado Attorney General's Office.

Mark L. Schifter, 54, president of ww w.********** and Perpetual Technologies, was accused in a five-count indictment of making to the tune of $180,000 by defrauding 707 people in 27 illegal raffles held from 2004 through 2009. According to the attorney general's office, only $29,500 was distributed to charities. Some charities reported receiving nothing.

For more information about charities and charitable soliticters, visit www.checkthecharity.com.


http://www.timescall.com/assets/pdf/...indictment.pdf

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It was a long time coming. Congrats to the detectives, charities, and raffle participants for cooperating.

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It's too bad that it had to come to something like this, but probably long overdue.
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What took so long?

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What took so long?

In what sense or over what time period?

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http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14478539?source=rss

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See if it makes the local TV news Miles, and if so record it if you can.

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Justice has been served!!

1....2...3....., you're out of there!
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Not entirely. There's still the trial which I think will have more surprises.

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In what sense or over what time period?

The time period. I get the sense of people waiting for promises delivered... someday.

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Justice has been served!!

1....2...3....., you're out of there!

This will take a long while to play out.

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There's still the trial which I think will have more surprises.

What if he cops a plea?

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Thank God, finally. I almost jumped on the AV123 Xmas special, but I waited until this month and went with Aperion. After reading up on this scumbag I am glad I did.
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Not entirely. There's still the trial which I think will have more surprises.


Should be interesting to see what comes to surface during the trial.

I'm interested in seeing if AV123 ...or anyone other than Mark at AV123, we're involved in all of this. For a long time people have been desperately trying to catagorize Mark as a seperate entity from AV123. As if his actions were not at all representitve of AV123...in any way tied in with AV123.

Should be interesting to see who knew what and who permitted it to continue to occur; at AV123. I know the water is quite murky and convoluted when trying to determine the distinctions. But in my own personal opinion, based on nothing but gut-feeling and instinct; I suspect the mud is piled real thick and real deep.
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© 2010 Longmont Times-Call

LONGMONT - A statewide grand jury on Friday indicted a Longmont man on suspicion of running illegal charity raffles, according to the Colorado Attorney General's Office.

Mark L. Schifter, 54, president of ww w.********** and Perpetual Technologies, was accused in a five-count indictment of making to the tune of $180,000 by defrauding 707 people in 27 illegal raffles held from 2004 through 2009. According to the attorney general's office, only $29,500 was distributed to charities. Some charities reported receiving nothing.

For more information about charities and charitable soliticters, visit www.checkthecharity.com.


http://www.timescall.com/assets/pdf/...indictment.pdf



Schifter will get his hand slapped. He will have no money left after he pays his lawyer fees.

My former attorney got 3 years in the slammer, but he stole $17,000,000 plus or minus $180,000 or so with no defense of his actions. At least my former attorney did not have to pay for a lawyer!


My attorney stole $17 million link here
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Schifter will get his hand slapped. He will have no money left after he pays his lawyer fees.

My former attorney got 3 years in the slammer, but he stole $17,000,000 plus or minus $180,000 or so with no defense of his actions. At least my former attorney did not have to pay for a lawyer!


My attorney stole $17 million link here

Why would you pick an obvious scum bag like that to be your lawyer? Not sure that I would tell anybody.
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I'm glad to see this finally came about. Of course indictment and conviction are two entirely different things but I wonder how long AV321 will be in business at this point. I also wonder how many of the apologists will come out now and condemn Schifty. Where's that former employee that maintained MLS was just "misunderstood?" lol.

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Schifter will get his hand slapped. He will have no money left after he pays his lawyer fees.

My former attorney got 3 years in the slammer, but he stole $17,000,000 plus or minus $180,000 or so with no defense of his actions. At least my former attorney did not have to pay for a lawyer!


My attorney stole $17 million link here

The law is tougher on those that steal from charities than those that steal from sleaze merchants. With the clientele your lawyer was dealing with(er stealing from) I'm not sure I'd be proclaiming him publicly as my attorney.
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It should be interesting. I would be curious at what the bond will be set at. To be honest, I wish the whole damn industry would be investigated. I would like to see an inquiry into various electrical components that were not UC approved, claims of an extraordinary nature in the high end, etc,.etc. Let's start actually applying the laws on the books.
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Boulder sources are reporting that Schifter was arrested and booked today.

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Schifter was arrested on Friday afternoon and booked into the Boulder County Jail.

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It should be interesting. I would be curious at what the bond will be set at. To be honest, I wish the whole damn industry would be investigated. I would like to see an inquiry into various electrical components that were not UC approved, claims of an extraordinary nature in the high end, etc,.etc. Let's start actually applying the laws on the books.

I can see the indictment now..."A California man has been indicted for selling 1 meter interconnects which he claimed produced the blackest blacks he's ever heard".
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The law is tougher on those that steal from charities than those that steal from sleaze merchants.


Who stole money from charities and sleaze merchants? Read what Schifter was indicted for. He was not indicted for stealing from charities. The charites had nothing to do with it and did not even know about it. "He faces charges of theft of more than $20,000, running a charitable fraud scheme, using the name of a charity without authorization, running a computer fraud scheme and violating raffle laws."


Read more: Longmont man indicted on charity fraud charges - Boulder Daily Camera http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-c...#ixzz0giGjDJxZ






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With the clientele your lawyer was dealing with(er stealing from) I'm not sure I'd be proclaiming him publicly as my attorney.


Dat would be former attorney. Kind of a big jump for you make as you have no knowledge of the identity of the victims of this "stealing" nor the identity of Goldings lawfirm clients. The wife of a former state governor and Marvin Haggler's trainer / promoter were the only people identified as victims in that article. They can hardly classified as "sleaze merchants".
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Thats sad some one would do that.

I think credit card companys are the biggest crooks. Its amazing the stuff they pull.

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There's a guy who appeared to do the same sort of thing on a major bass-guitar forum. (I say "appear" because I'm not a regular there so I didn't follow it closely, and because he hasn't been convicted of a crime.) Soliciting money on behalf of musicians in trouble, etc. Not as much money as is being alleged here, though.

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The problem here is that the money was sent to a person we thought we knew. Many of us knew Mark, had him at our houses, had dinner with him. He was considered a friend. I guess in the end we didn't know him as well as we thought.

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What if he cops a plea?

One has to be granted. I know for a fact the raffle charities like The American Red Cross & Dana Farber Cancer Center kept great records of what they didn't get.

Consider the following:
If I read and interpret the various counts correctly,

Count One is a Class 3 Felony
Count Two is a Class 5 Felony
Count Three is a Class 5 Felony
Count Four is a Class 3 Felony
Count Five is at least a Class 2 Misdemeanor however since "...the underlying factual basis of the violaiton constitutes a crime as defined by any other provision of the law, then such person may be charged, prosecuted, and punished in accordance with such other provision of the law." I read that as some sort of Felony charge.


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24 years / 1,000,000 dollar fine

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12 years / 750,000 dollar fine

Class 4
2 years / 2,000 dollar fine
6 years / 500,000 dollar fine

Class 5
1 year / 1,000 dollar fine
3 years / 100,000 dollar fine

Class 6
1 year / 1, 000 dollar fine
18 months / 100,000 dollar fine

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Class 1
6 months / 500 dollar fine or both
18 months / 5,000 dollar fine or both

Class 2
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One has to be granted. I know for a fact the raffle charities like The American Red Cross & Dana Farber Cancer Center kept great records of what they didn't get.

Consider the following:
If I read and interpret the various counts correctly,

Count One is a Class 3 Felony
Count Two is a Class 5 Felony
Count Three is a Class 5 Felony
Count Four is a Class 3 Felony
Count Five is at least a Class 2 Misdemeanor however since "...the underlying factual basis of the violaiton constitutes a crime as defined by any other provision of the law, then such person may be charged, prosecuted, and punished in accordance with such other provision of the law." I read that as some sort of Felony charge.


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Class 1
Life imprisonment
Death

Class 2
8 years / 5,000 dollar fine
24 years / 1,000,000 dollar fine

Class 3
4 years / 3,000 dollar fine
12 years / 750,000 dollar fine

Class 4
2 years / 2,000 dollar fine
6 years / 500,000 dollar fine

Class 5
1 year / 1,000 dollar fine
3 years / 100,000 dollar fine

Class 6
1 year / 1, 000 dollar fine
18 months / 100,000 dollar fine

Misdemeanor

Class 1
6 months / 500 dollar fine or both
18 months / 5,000 dollar fine or both

Class 2
3 months / 250 dollar fine or both
1 year / 1,000 dollar fine or both

Class 3
Fifty dollar fine
6 months / 750 dollar fine or both

He will probably end up doing a few years max especially if he has never been convicted of any crimes in his life. He is 53 and assuming he has a clean record he very well could get probation & high fine. The court may take into consideration his physical condition as been reported on another forum that "Mark is actually ailing. He had bypass or stent surgery on the 16th of February".

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He will probably end up doing a few years max especially if he has never been convicted of any crimes in his life. He is 53 and assuming he has a clean record he very well could get probation & high fine. The court may take into consideration his physical condition as been reported on another forum that "Mark is actually ailing. He had bypass or stent surgery on the 16th of February".

So do a lot of people. Me, I see jail time and I wouldn't be surprised if someone got immunity to testify. This is such a well documented matter with a paper trail everywhere. The thing I can't get over is after the forums shut down for several months and then reopened, why oh why didn't they go to another hosting service and just delete all the posts that were made there. They could've spun a story about difficulties in porting things over, data corruption, anything. Having all that stuff going back years made it so easy to access for anyone looking to document what was said, what was raised, and everything else. Sure made it easy for me using searches.

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