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post #1 of 25 Old 08-05-2010, 10:30 AM - Thread Starter
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My dad is looking to buy an HTIB in the very near future. His budget is under £600. He just said "I should just get a Bose system." I told him I'd take care of the sound

The room in question is fairly small, but it's the main living room. I looked at a couple of Onkyo HTIBs, but it seems that they are not readily available in the UK.

I started poking around trying to find a better solution, so I've turned to you guys. We're looking for a 5.1 system. Would it be better to put together a system at this price point? Anyone have suggestions on some good setups?

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Lots of variables with you being in Uganda. If there are large shipping costs and imports fees, then suggestions might be worthless. You also need to let people know what the specs for the room that the system will be going into. Are you looking to put together a system other than an HTiB? Finally, it may come down to the Bose HTiB being better than nothing
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Oops, sorry, I should have clarified. My dad's place is in London, so no issues with importing stuff.

I've put together a quick and dirty Google Sketchup floorplan.

Room Size is 5.7m x 3.7m, but we also use this space as a dining room.
TV is a 42" Samsung and will be wall mounted as soon as we find a nice low profile unit for the components. Hard wood floor and a big area rug if that matters at all.

We have a dvd player already, so just looking for the receiver and a 5.1 surround setup. Also, as you can see, the room itself is quite small, so nothing too big.
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Does he *want* Bose or is he open-minded?
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http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Take-Cl...1100638&sr=8-1

This is a great system here, the speakers look nice and are not as big as most, good factors to help someone get away from Bose.

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR590-5...1100723&sr=8-1

This is a great receiver, plenty of features and Audyssey MultEQ which is the best for rom calibration.

Edit: You will need some speaker stands as well, 24" for the front, and 31" for the surround would work.

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^^^^ +1

Tell him if he buys the Energy 5.1 + Denon it will sound much better than the $4000 top of the line Bose lifestyle system (which is true!)
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He doesn't really want Bose, just doesn't know anything else.

Arrrrg. Why can't I find any suppliers for that receiver or those speakers anywhere in the UK?

Edit: Ok, I found the Denon AVR-1611 which seems to be an updated version of the AVR-590. It's a bit more expensive, but I can get just about everywhere here.

I still can't find the Energy Take Classic anywhere though. Anyone know of a dealer in the UK that carries them? If not, any other suggestions for speakers?
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The AVR-1610 is pretty much identical to the AVR-590, and the 1611 and 591 are just updated versions with HDMI 1.4a (3D).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jamo-420-HCS...130969&sr=1-10
This is probably a pretty good beginner system, I know a lot of people are happy with these Jamo value packages.

PS here is that Energy Take Classic system on the UK Ebay, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ENERGY-TAKE-CL...#ht_2235wt_939
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Ah, thanks for the info on the receiver.

The Jamo looks pretty decent, might pick that up.

That ebay listing is still in the US. $180 to ship and a price WAY higher than the amazon.com price.
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This might sound like a stupid question, but how many speakers come in that Jamo package? It says it's a 3 speaker system, but the pictures show 5.

Even if it did come with 5, I would still need to get a sub, right?
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Its actually called the S426 HCS 3. That description is a little sketchy.
http://www.jamo.com/na-en/products/s...3-description/

You should get five speakers but I'd think I'd call first to verify.

Yes, you'd still want a sub.

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I just got the Energy RC-Micro 5.1 system. I have not gotten it hooked up yet, but I wasn't able to find any negative reviews on them, and know that I'll me more than impressed once I get them going. A popular Electronics website/catalog has them for a whopping $600 off right now too. These WILL beat Bose, and cost 1/2 the price or less.


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A popular Electronics website/catalog has them for a whopping $600 off right now too

You're allowed to provide the link.
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_732RCMI...nergy+RC-micro

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Thanks for the links guys. Unfortunately, it looks like Energy does NOT sell in the UK.

I am going to go with the Jamo system that was posted earlier for £249 and the Denon AVR-1610 for the same price. That leaves up to £100 for a sub! Any suggestions?
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Here's why he shouldn't buy Bose:


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Yeah, I know Bose is way overpriced, that's why I'm trying to help see the light (and hear the sound )

I called audiovisualonline up and they confirmed that the Jamo system is a 5 speaker set.

Now all I need is a £100-150 subwoofer.

I can run this system without a sub for a while until I find the right one, right?
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System will be fine till you save enough money for a sub.

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Hey! Let's make this a little more convoluted, shall we?

The only AVR-1610s I can find are ex-display units. I called up Sight and Sound because they have them listed. Turns out they sold the last one yesterday. He did recommend the Yamaha RX-V467 as an equivalent (or better) alternative. Thoughts on that receiver?
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I would look into getting last years models instead, the 467 is the new 2010 model which only offers HDMI 1.4 (3D) over the 465. Since you were planning on spending around $300-350 for a receiver, I would go with the Yamaha RX-V765. It has all the features you could possibly want, and by going with the 2009 model, you can get a lot more bang for your buck. Other good options are the Onkyo SR-607, or Denon AVR-590.

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What's up with AV equipment being so damn expensive in the UK??? Everything I look at is just priced the same with a different currency symbol. What a ripoff!!!

For example, the RX-V765 you mentioned is $350 in the US and £350 in the UK. That's nearly $560, a difference of $210.
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I think it has to do with taxes - you know - to pay for the 'free' health care etc.

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Couple of reasons (doesn't justify the full cost difference but does bring up the price)

VAT - Value added Tax is done on a federal level and included in the price unlike sales tax here. VAT is different for different countries and can be different for different groups of products. Example low VAT for food but high VAT for electronics, tobacco etc -- "Luxuary items". I belive it is 17.5% in the UK

Warranty -- The EU has a directive that electronics like this should last a minimum of 2 years (for the PS3 there is a 3 year warranty so might have been "upped"). That does increase the cost of doing business

In regards to the receiver to get: Will your dad use this to connect his TV to as well? Is there any reasonable interest in getting a 3D TV within the next few years?

If not then you can get older products that are cheaper as some suggested. If he may go 3D within a few years then I would get one of this years versions (HDMI 1.4)
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Looking to put off buying a sub until we have adequate funds, I think a 3D TV is a little more than 'a few' years away .

Very good point though. I will look into last years models. Might actually be worth picking up the AVR-1610/590 ex-display if there's nothing wrong with it, right?
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If you are looking at a display model, I wouldn't purchase it unless you get a discount, since you aren't buying a "new-in-box" item.

Both those would be good choices, I would go for the 1610 first if you can. Onkyo also makes good products, the TX-SR607 should be in your price range.

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