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Then what do you do with your old speakers?

Meanwhile, that fancy AVR is also outdated. You'll need 10.4 sound or a ceiling channel or a new codec or new HDMI plug or... whatever.
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Does anyone know if the bases can be removed from the Pioneer floorstanders? Thats the only part of the speaker that I detest. I'm refering to that trim around the bottom that I'm sure is used for stability?

Yes, you can leave them off and it does make the speaker cleaner looking as well as easier to locate if there are other things close to them. The bases arrive with a screw package, unattached to the speaker. I don't find them very 'tippy' at all. They're not really topheavy like some tower designs are, weighing 22 lbs. each with the weight centered lower than towers with a woofer high up and no driver mounted below.


Here's a newsflash.........:

While the BS-41 is a good and reasonably small bookshelf type speaker, I think that anyone contemplating using a setup that consists of these Pioneer home theater speakers should NOT consider the towers and the larger bookshelf to be interchangeable.

Compared to the BS-41-LR the SP-FS51-LR (same price towers) kick a*s!

It's that the towers use three of the 5 1/4" drivers to the bookshelf's one no doubt, but the towers range to 45 khz to the bookshelf's 55 khz, they're a little more sensitive, and the bigger enclosure work to make them some awesome sounding speakers for the low cost.
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Here's a newsflash.........:

While the BS-41 is a good and reasonably small bookshelf type speaker, I think that anyone contemplating using a setup that consists of these Pioneer home theater speakers should NOT consider the towers and the larger bookshelf to be interchangeable.

Compared to the BS-41-LR the SP-FS51-LR (same price towers) kick a*s!

It's that the towers use three of the 5 1/4" drivers to the bookshelf's one no doubt, but the towers range to 45 khz to the bookshelf's 55 khz, they're a little more sensitive, and the bigger enclosure work to make them some awesome sounding speakers for the low cost.

Thanks for that. The BS-41 would work still work well as the rears though, paired with the FS, right? They're pretty big/heavy, having a hard time making space for the right channel in my setup, but I'm hoping it worth it given their sound. Having such a hard time deciding between these and the comparably-priced Polk Monitor IIs.
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Yes, you can leave them off and it does make the speaker cleaner looking as well as easier to locate if there are other things close to them. The bases arrive with a screw package, unattached to the speaker. I don't find them very 'tippy' at all. They're not really topheavy like some tower designs are, weighing 22 lbs. each with the weight centered lower than towers with a woofer high up and no driver mounted below.


Here's a newsflash.........:

While the BS-41 is a good and reasonably small bookshelf type speaker, I think that anyone contemplating using a setup that consists of these Pioneer home theater speakers should NOT consider the towers and the larger bookshelf to be interchangeable.

Compared to the BS-41-LR the SP-FS51-LR (same price towers) kick a*s!

It's that the towers use three of the 5 1/4" drivers to the bookshelf's one no doubt, but the towers range to 45 khz to the bookshelf's 55 khz, they're a little more sensitive, and the bigger enclosure work to make them some awesome sounding speakers for the low cost.

Does it still pair well with the C21 center speaker?

My BS41's arrive today, but I think I could put the FS51 towers are either side of my credenza.

Anyone deals on the SP-FS51-LR like JR had for the BS-41's?
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$199 /pr for tower speakers isn't a deal already?

The BS41's were overpriced at $199 when you could get the FS51's for the same price.

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Anyone deals on the SP-FS51-LR like JR had for the BS-41's?


BBuy routinely offers either 10% or 12% off coupons for Reward Zone members.
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Does it still pair well with the C21 center speaker?

My BS41's arrive today, but I think I could put the FS51 towers are either side of my credenza.

Anyone deals on the SP-FS51-LR like JR had for the BS-41's?

Except for in-store coupons or discounts I haven't seen any blitz pricing for the towers.

If you've read this thread there's a probable reason for the JR low price on BS-41. Pioneer was left holding a surplus of them by BB and must have dumped them into the wholesale market in a one time adjustment.
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Except for in-store coupons or discounts I haven't seen any blitz pricing for the towers.

If you've read this thread there's a probable reason for the JR low price on BS-41. Pioneer was left holding a surplus of them by BB and must have dumped them into the wholesale market in a one time adjustment.

The BS-21s are marked down $10 this week. So you're really hungry to save $10-$20, you could wait to see if the towers get reduced at all in the coming weeks. Next week's BBuy ad is out and contains no markdown on them, FWIW.
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How do the Pio towers compare to the Polk M60s or Energy RC30s? They all seem to be close enough in price.
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RC-30s would stand out among those 3 speakers.

The RC-30s are twice as much as the Pioneers. $399/pr vs $199/pr. But I'd still rather have the RC's. Remember, the RC-30s are normally $500 each. You're getting a huge discount since they're on clearance.

Also if you saw the Pioneer, Polk and Energy in person you'd quickly pick the Energy as far as build quality is concerned.

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RC-30s would stand out among those 3 speakers.

The RC-30s are twice as much as the Pioneers. $399/pr vs $199/pr. But I'd still rather have the RC's. Remember, the RC-30s are normally $500 each. You're getting a huge discount since they're on clearance.

Also if you saw the Pioneer, Polk and Energy in person you'd quickly pick the Energy as far as build quality is concerned.

Where were the RC-30s that cheap?
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Where were the RC-30s that cheap?

Audio Advisor. They charge shipping - I think it's roughly $15 a speaker.
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Where were the RC-30s that cheap?

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENRC30

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RC-30s would stand out among those 3 speakers.

The RC-30 is in a different league - and a good price.

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Thanks. Will see if I can listen to these somewhere. All of the sudden I'm talking myself into a much more expensive system than I started out looking at...
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thanks guys, I kinda figured the Energys would be the better speakers. What center would match those?
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thanks guys, I kinda figured the Energys would be the better speakers. What center would match those?

Energy did have a RC LCR 3-way that could be used as a center. I
think it is hard to find now. I can not say if the RC MINI will work or
not. The owners will have to speak up on this.

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RC Mini center will also work with the RC-30. And it is much less expensive than the RC-LCR.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search

I have the RC mini center with my RC-10s which use the same size drivers as the RC-30. Works very well.

Whoops, Looks like its no longer available from Vanns. I suggest you grab one of these while you can.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ENERGY-RC-Mini-C...item45f54d338d

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ENERGY-RC-MI...item27b53b7aa4

Unless you have room for another upright tower as a center speaker. If so then grab another RC-30.

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Also a couple of used RC Mini's centers left on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...condition=used

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Thanks. Will see if I can listen to these somewhere. All of the sudden I'm talking myself into a much more expensive system than I started out looking at...


If your looking for music sounds rather than TV I don't think you should chose your towers without considering the Epos - M16i. They're sold in pairs and it would be less than the retail price of those RC-30s while making them sound like OEM 1964 Chevrolet shelf 6"x9"'s.

See? There's always another poster in forums who's only too happy to spend your money vicariously.
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The RC-30 is in a different league - and a good price.

I listed to the CF50 tonight, sounded great-- really full sound, not bright like the other Klipschs I'd heard. Rep explained that the CF 50 is a step down from the RC-30. Is that accurate? They had a bundle at BBuy with the rears and sub thrown in for free if you buy the fronts and centers- $1100 for the set. RC-30s are a much better buy obviously.
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If your looking for music sounds rather than TV I don't think you should chose your towers without considering the Epos - M16i. They're sold in pairs and it would be less than the retail price of those RC-30s while making them sound like OEM 1964 Chevrolet shelf 6"x9"'s.

See? There's always another poster in forums who's only too happy to spend your money vicariously.

$2k for a pair of speakers? Not quite going that high...!

Listening to the Energys in the Magnolia room though, my wife saw why I'm making an investment in a new sound system. She was on the fence before...
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$199 /pr for tower speakers isn't a deal already?

The BS41's were overpriced at $199 when you could get the FS51's for the same price.

Anytime you can get something for less is better than not.

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BBuy routinely offers either 10% or 12% off coupons for Reward Zone members.

Thanks. Signed up.
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thanks for the search afro! would any of the other centers work? the CC-10 or CC-5?
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I listed to the CF50 tonight, sounded great-- really full sound, not bright like the other Klipschs I'd heard. Rep explained that the CF 50 is a step down from the RC-30. Is that accurate? They had a bundle at BBuy with the rears and sub thrown in for free if you buy the fronts and centers- $1100 for the set. RC-30s are a much better buy obviously.

They are a step down from the reference series. The build quality
looks cheaper. However, I would hope that they sound good for
the price. If you like them, and want them - then buy them.

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I had decided to buy these Pioneer towers all week. I had planned to pick them up today but this morning I found myself sitting on the couch at Hsu Research and walking out the door with two HB-1 MK2 speakers.

The truth is; I know these Pioneers are great bang for the buck speakers but in the end I kept thinking it would be a mistake. I don't mind spending more money when it comes to something I love and once I heard those Hsu speakers I was floored. Taking them home and listening to them all evening I am again floored. They are without a doubt the best speakers I have heard (personally). Superb clarity & realism. Going through my CD collection is like listening to them for the first time all over again. Lovely.
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thanks for the search afro! would any of the other centers work? the CC-10 or CC-5?

They wont be the same components as the RC speakers but they will probably work okay. If your receiver has some type of auto calibration eq feature that will help even things out too.

I'd look for used or ebay RC Mini center first but if that search comes up dry then go for the CC-10 if you get a discount on it.

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I would have loved to get these speakers . but couple of things kept me from getting them . Number 1 was the towers are not magnetically shielded . Two there only maximum 130 watts rated. Three , and least important but still a factor is the 87db sensitivity and there extremely short towers
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They are a step down from the reference series. The build quality
looks cheaper. However, I would hope that they sound good for
the price. If you like them, and want them - then buy them.

Considering the price difference ($400 ea for the ones at BBuy vs $400 for the pair of RC-30s), I'll either snag the RC-30s or take another listen to the Polk M60s and M70s. Bought my receiver tonight, so everything will fall into place now...
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This reminds me of a time long ago when I decided to try a tri-amped setup in my then new Merc 300D wagon. It was when bi and tri amped systems were first being installed in cars. The system involved door and dash mounted tweeters, mids in all doors at lower levels (from the floorboards) and a double sub system that I was able to fit under the floor in the rear of my Mercedes wagon.

I was nonplussed, and somewhat dismayed to hear the first tryout of the door and dash speakers because they seemed to lack the full bodied sound I hoped for. I hadn't hooked in the subs, but with all those six 6 1/2" woofers, where was my sound?

When the entire system was finished with the subs were aboard with their amps I learned about the magic of a sophisticated crossover setup. The 6 1/2" drivers were not woofers at all!

Now, when I first looked at the product sheets of these Pioneers I saw that only one crossover point is listed for each speaker and it was at a level to keep low notes minimized. It dawned then that all of the towers and bookshelves were not to be full range speakers but instead they'd been concieved to supply the middle and high ranges in concert with a subwoofer to supply their missing bass. They aren't meant to be seperate speakers - all five are meant to be as one system, or a multi-location single speaker, or something like that. It's just like my old car system in a way. (Whether the Pioneer sub is adequate to my taste is yet undecided)

With this in mind, I thought, it would be silly to compare the sound of single elements of this Pioneer effort against any speaker set up as a full range speaker. After all, even the lower priced Receivers today are using seperate amps for their output channels and giving us Audyssey onboard to make it work in most any room. Why not take advantage of it instead of muddying up the room with all parts of the sound coming from everywhere out of speakers still designed as two channel stereo full range pumpers?
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