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The new bookshelf and floor standers have two sets of inputs, a front input, and a height input. If you are using a non-atmos AVR simply don't connect the height inputs and they will operate as traditional speakers. Thanks, Chris Walker
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Hopefully they won't be too expensive?
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So all this begs the question..
With 7.1 just now only becoming popular, and even then only in blurays, how many years will it be before we start to see material mastered in 5.1.4?
There have already been over 100 movies released in Atmos theatrically. The exact same soundtrack that was used for the theater can be put onto a Blu-ray disc.. My guess is content is just around the corner....

Plus an Atmos soundtrack also contains a traditional Dolby TrueHD soundtrack....

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There are two ways to achieve atmos in the home. ...
Chris,

Thank for sharing this information. This is the perfect post to start a new thread, since I anticipate an avalanche of interest which will likely bury discussion of the speaker line for which this thread was created if continued here.

I'm lucky enough to live near a theater with Dolby Atmos and keep track of movies mixed in Dolby Atmos, so I have a keen interest in the home application.

It might also be worth starting one in the Receivers, Amps, and Processors forum, too. There is already one for another manufacturer's products. There is already a thread, Pioneer's Dolby Atmos-Compatible AVRs and Speakers, in the Latest Industry News forum.
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Can any one attend and take pictures for the rest of us?

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Location: Metropolitan Pavilion, 125 W. 18th Street, NY, NY

Press Conference, Wednesday, June 25 at 11:45 a.m. EDT

Booth Exhibit, Booth #44 , Wednesday, June 25 (11 a.m. – 7 p.m.) and Thursday, June 26 (9 a.m. – 3 p.m.)

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Pioneer’s Home Electronics Division develops award-winning audio and video home theater products including A/V receivers, Blu-ray Disc™ and DVD players, and speakers. The company’s brands include Pioneer® and Elite®. More details can be found at www.pioneerelectronics.com .
We will be taking pictures during the show.. I will try and post as well..

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Do Atmos enabled speakers, such as the upcoming Pioneer speakers I assume, contain separate drivers for the height effect?
Yep... And not just a simple full-range speaker......

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Chris,

Thank for sharing this information. This is the perfect post to start a new thread, since I anticipate an avalanche of interest which will likely bury discussion of the speaker line for which this thread was created if continued here.

I'm lucky enough to live near a theater with Dolby Atmos and keep track of movies mixed in Dolby Atmos, so I have a keen interest in the home application.

It might also be worth starting one in the Receivers, Amps, and Processors forum, too. There is already one for another manufacturer's products. There is already a thread, Pioneer's Dolby Atmos-Compatible AVRs and Speakers, in the Latest Industry News forum.
Couldnt agree more. Thanks for the links.
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Chris,

Thank for sharing this information. This is the perfect post to start a new thread, since I anticipate an avalanche of interest which will likely bury discussion of the speaker line for which this thread was created if continued here.

I'm lucky enough to live near a theater with Dolby Atmos and keep track of movies mixed in Dolby Atmos, so I have a keen interest in the home application.

It might also be worth starting one in the Receivers, Amps, and Processors forum, too. There is already one for another manufacturer's products. There is already a thread, Pioneer's Dolby Atmos-Compatible AVRs and Speakers, in the Latest Industry News forum.
I think that is a good idea.... I normally do not create new threads because I normally do not have enough time to keep posting there (I am on a plane to New York right now which is why I am posting alot)...

Feel free to create a new thread and I will begin posting there...

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Cool.

So these drivers are arranged so that the angle of reflection is directed to the listeners. I can see how that could be effective, especially if turned up to account for propagation loss.

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Hopefully they won't be too expensive?
Definitely less expensive than the B&W's in your avatar...

They are not as affordable as the current line-up, however they are not crazy expensive. There is alot in each speaker...

All pricing will be made available on Wednesday...

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Will pioneer sell these in the US


Dirac to Power Pioneer Compact Speakers
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Pioneer will tap Dirac HD Sound technology in their next iteration of loudspeakers. The company reached a licensing agreement with Dirac Research that will enable Pioneer to utilize the technology for the first time in its Pioneer Desk Live series, a lineup of powered speakers with a sleek, modern form factor designed for computer users and décor- conscious music enthusiasts. Listeners can expect superb audio playback in this new line of USB-powered speakers, delivering high performance from smaller, stylish loudspeakers.


The Pioneer Desk Live ISS-C270A-S with Dirac HD Sound will be available in mid- July.

The objective of the new product line is to deliver high resolution and precise staging from a near field design using engineering innovations from Pioneer combined with Dirac’s award-winning digital audio processing. These technological advances have enabled Pioneer to deliver unprecedented accuracy and musicality from an attractive lifestyle speaker lineup suited to any décor or application. The first of these new models will become available in Japan mid-July, 2014 with a succession of models and markets to follow.

“Both Dirac and Pioneer have a long history of making great audio products and we are excited for an opportunity to bring Dirac HD Sound technology to Pioneer’s high performance loudspeakers,” commented Steve Hase, executive vice president of licensing at Dirac. “This cooperation with Pioneer and our most recent automotive venture with Volvo highlight the flexibility and diverse capabilities of Dirac’s audio processing technologies,” Hase added.

“Our vision is to combine the best of traditional speaker design with world class digital audio technology in an entirely new way,” stated Hideki Nara, general manager of the speaker business planning department in the industrial solutions business division at Pioneer Corp. “By using Dirac’s cutting edge solutions, we have been able to realize this vision and design loudspeakers with higher performance and increased flexibility. We consider Dirac to be a highly reliable engineering partner.”

Dirac HD Sound is an advanced digital audio processing technology that utilizes impulse response and frequency response optimization. With Dirac’s smart speaker concept, loudspeaker manufacturers such as Pioneer are able to increase performance and shorten the design process across a diverse range of form factors.
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There have already been over 100 movies released in Atmos theatrically. The exact same soundtrack that was used for the theater can be put onto a Blu-ray disc.. My guess is content is just around the corner.... Plus an Atmos soundtrack also contains a traditional Dolby TrueHD soundtrack....

Chris Walker Pioneer Electronics....
This will be fabulous I can't wait to get Blu Ray movies in ATMOS, HOPEFULLY there will be more than 7.1 mix!
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Chris

Will pioneer sell these in the US


Dirac to Power Pioneer Compact Speakers
By RS Staff
Pioneer will tap Dirac HD Sound technology in their next iteration of loudspeakers. The company reached a licensing agreement with Dirac Research that will enable Pioneer to utilize the technology for the first time in its Pioneer Desk Live series, a lineup of powered speakers with a sleek, modern form factor designed for computer users and décor- conscious music enthusiasts. Listeners can expect superb audio playback in this new line of USB-powered speakers, delivering high performance from smaller, stylish loudspeakers.


The Pioneer Desk Live ISS-C270A-S with Dirac HD Sound will be available in mid- July.

The objective of the new product line is to deliver high resolution and precise staging from a near field design using engineering innovations from Pioneer combined with Dirac’s award-winning digital audio processing. These technological advances have enabled Pioneer to deliver unprecedented accuracy and musicality from an attractive lifestyle speaker lineup suited to any décor or application. The first of these new models will become available in Japan mid-July, 2014 with a succession of models and markets to follow.

“Both Dirac and Pioneer have a long history of making great audio products and we are excited for an opportunity to bring Dirac HD Sound technology to Pioneer’s high performance loudspeakers,” commented Steve Hase, executive vice president of licensing at Dirac. “This cooperation with Pioneer and our most recent automotive venture with Volvo highlight the flexibility and diverse capabilities of Dirac’s audio processing technologies,” Hase added.

“Our vision is to combine the best of traditional speaker design with world class digital audio technology in an entirely new way,” stated Hideki Nara, general manager of the speaker business planning department in the industrial solutions business division at Pioneer Corp. “By using Dirac’s cutting edge solutions, we have been able to realize this vision and design loudspeakers with higher performance and increased flexibility. We consider Dirac to be a highly reliable engineering partner.”

Dirac HD Sound is an advanced digital audio processing technology that utilizes impulse response and frequency response optimization. With Dirac’s smart speaker concept, loudspeaker manufacturers such as Pioneer are able to increase performance and shorten the design process across a diverse range of form factors.
Nope... I got to listen to them last week when I was in Japan. They did sound impressive for there size. They are near field speakers for use with a computer. Unfortunately the price is too high for our market (They are actually more expensive then the new Elite Bookshelf Speakers).

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Feel free to create a new thread and I will begin posting there...
Thank you, Chris.

The OFFICIAL Pioneer Dolby Atmos Speaker Thread
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I, for one, don't have a problem with the new speaker being discussed on this thread. The new speakers will not supplant the lower tier speakers, but offer the next tier of affordability... premium speakers at a more humanly affordable level. That's true to the spirit of this thread, but I'm sure the new speakers will provoke a new thread of their own.

I think Pioneer is doing something really good for its customers. And, of course, I'm endlessly curious about Mr. Mr. Jones,'s next innovation.

How will they compare to Uni-Q?
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A new thread has already been started. See the post above yours.
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Right you are!

I read the earlier post regarding inappropriateness of thread, and reacted to it later without reading the later posts.

Also, I formed this mental image of that coincident driver and haven't attached it to the new direction of the conversation, which is Atmos. It's the coincident driver implementation itself that intrigues me.

I'm just trying to get a good 5.1 solution in my apartment, and haven't really thought of Atmos. I still haven't heard it in a theater! Maybe I'll start with At and work up to Mos.

But the Dolby Enabled Speaker is a great option for all of those that don't live in Notre Dame like Chris.

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I posted this in an other thread but this is also appropriate here

Pioneer has agreed to sell the majority of its home/AV business, to both a Hong Kong private equity firm and to Onkyo.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the complicated transaction will have Pioneer selling a 51 percent stake to Baring Private Equity Asia. The remaining interest will be split between Pioneer itself and Onkyo. Pioneer and Onkyo will remain separate brands.
The statement issued by the parties said: Pioneer Corporation, Onkyo Corporation and Baring Private Equity Asia have reached a basic agreement to commence discussions with an eye to integrating a part of Home AV business operations between Pioneer and Onkyo. Also, a portion of shares in Pioneer Home Electronics Corporation, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Pioneer, will be transferred to Baring and Onkyo. After the transfer, Baring will have 51% stake in PHE. The remaining 49% will be determined in consultation between the related parties. The deal is expected to close in August.
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Atmos line on Pioneer's site

Atmos line is live on Pioneer's website, but no pricing on speakers yet.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home
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http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home
They look nice. I'll probably pick up a set eventually for uh err "testing?"
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I like them!!! Makes me think of Mirage with their omni polar top mounted driver.
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I'm not interested in replacing everything in my system (except sub) for the sake of Atmos ... not interested in the least. The new towers and bookshelves look intriguing, but I can't see myself paying the price when I won't even be able to use the top-mounted drivers with a standard AVR. I'm not knocking the new stuff, it just ain't fer me.

I would be much more keen on improved versions of the FS52/BS22/C22 utilizing concentric drivers (realizing that prices would be somewhat higher).
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I'm not interested in replacing everything in my system (except sub) for the sake of Atmos ... not interested in the least. The new towers and bookshelves look interesting, but I can't see myself paying the price when I won't even be able to use the top-mounted drivers with a standard AVR. I'm not knocking the new stuff, it just ain't fer me.

I would be much more keen on improved versions of the FS52/BS22/C22 utilizing concentric drivers (realizing that prices would be somewhat higher).
I agree. I thought they were going to upgrade the entry level line. I've spent over $3000 on my HT system. If I was going to spend $5k in speakers, it wouldn't be on Pioneer.

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Wonder if B&W, KEF, Focal, Klipsh and others will start producing speakers like these?
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I agree. I thought they were going to upgrade the entry level line. I've spent over $3000 on my HT system. If I was going to spend $5k in speakers, it wouldn't be on Pioneer.
Unless they are TAD which is owned by Pioneer
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That's a bit pricey. Meanwhile, the bluetooth speakers they are advertising in that Atmos part of their website are cited as using Bluetooth 3.0. Didn't they design for 4.0, since that's the new standard. And for cutting edge, they ought to support aptx. Kinda makes me wonder about the Atmos technology if state of the art bluetooth was too difficult to implement.

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From the article:
http://www.cnet.com/news/pioneer-deb...tarts-at-4750/
From these initial products, it appears that putting together an Atmos-capable home audio system isn't going to be cheap. If you combine the entry-level $1,600 SC-85 with two floor-standing speakers, a center channel, two rear bookshelf speakers and a subwoofer, the total US pricing comes to $4,750, which is far more expensive that what it would cost to put together a traditional surround-sound system.
Prices and availability are not yet available for the rest of the world, but we'll update when we hear more. $4,750 converts to around £2,800 or AU$5,100.


The SC-85 ($1,600), SC-87 ($2,000) and SC-89 ($3,000) will be available in the US in the fall and require a firmware update coming before the end of the year to unlock its Atmos-capabilities.
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To be fair Chris did say there is going to be add on modules. There is no need to revamp one's system.
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Definitive Tech has signed on already to support Dolby Atmos.

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