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Those look promising, thanks!
I think I saw these recommended before for the Pioneer bookshelf speakers: http://www.amazon.com/SANUS-SYSTEMS-...speaker+stands
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Have those for my parent's Sony bookshelves which are about the size of the c22 on end. They've never had a problem with them.
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The Sanus is also a big improvement on looks.
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But theyre not adjustable and 31" is probably too short for surrounds.
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Yea you're right, I'll try and fiddle woth the f12 in the mean time, my living isn't that big, so I don't need a show stopper of a sub, maybe I can get the f12 to where I need it.
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But theyre not adjustable and 31" is probably too short for surrounds.
As long as the 31 inches cleared his listening area why wouldn't they be alright?
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As long as the 31 inches cleared his listening area why wouldn't they be alright?
I currently have my surrounds' tweeters at ear-level, just as one would want a front speaker. But my impression is that surrounds are supposed to be quite a bit higher, to create a more diffuse sound rather than firing right at the ear. But since the tweeter is more sensitive to position than the woofer, this doesn't entirely make sense to me. Maybe others will weigh in.

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I currently have my surrounds' tweeters at ear-level, just as one would want a front speaker. But my impression is that surrounds are supposed to be quite a bit higher, to create a more diffuse sound rather than firing right at the ear. But since the tweeter is more sensitive to position than the woofer, this doesn't entirely make sense to me. Maybe others will weigh in.
I have my FS52 surrounds elevated 16" off the floor, which puts them well above seated ear level. They sound better and seem to equalize better at that height. I run my surrounds a little on the hot side, too.
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I have my FS52 surrounds elevated 16" off the floor, which puts them well above seated ear level. They sound better and seem to equalize better at that height. I run my surrounds a little on the hot side, too.
What did you use to elevate them off the floor?
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What did you use to elevate them off the floor?
I'm using wrought iron plant stands. Yes really. They're just the right height and plenty stable. The stands and the bottom portion of both surrounds are mostly hidden behind furniture so nobody notices, and even if they did I wouldn't care. Sound comes first.

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Quick Review


I picked up a pair of Dennis Murphy's Affordable Accuracy BS-22 Mods, and I have been pleasantly satisfied with them. The purchase price for them was 165 plus shipping, and I have them hooked up to an old Pioneer Elite AVR in my bedroom.

I would say they have a nice laid back sound that image pretty well. The mid-bass can sometimes get a bit "busy" (congested might be a better term?), but they are enough quality to separate good and bad recordings pretty easily. I'd definitely recommend them to someone looking for a small setup.

I'm wanting to listen to his modded towers as well at 275 a pair now.

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Quick Review


I picked up a pair of Dennis Murphy's Affordable Accuracy BS-22 Mods, and I have been pleasantly satisfied with them. The purchase price for them was 165 plus shipping, and I have them hooked up to an old Pioneer Elite AVR in my bedroom.

I would say they have a nice laid back sound that image pretty well. The mid-bass can sometimes get a bit "busy" (congested might be a better term?), but they are enough quality to separate good and bad recordings pretty easily. I'd definitely recommend them to someone looking for a small setup.

I'm wanting to listen to his modded towers as well at 275 a pair now.
What's molded about them?
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Quick Review


I picked up a pair of Dennis Murphy's Affordable Accuracy BS-22 Mods, and I have been pleasantly satisfied with them. The purchase price for them was 165 plus shipping, and I have them hooked up to an old Pioneer Elite AVR in my bedroom.

I would say they have a nice laid back sound that image pretty well. The mid-bass can sometimes get a bit "busy" (congested might be a better term?), but they are enough quality to separate good and bad recordings pretty easily. I'd definitely recommend them to someone looking for a small setup.

I'm wanting to listen to his modded towers as well at 275 a pair now.
What's modded about them?
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Crossovers, upgraded tweets, and if I recall some enclosure dampening. Smoother response and enhanced resolution.

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Here's the link to the Philharmonic website :


http://philharmonicaudio.com/folio-m...ages/AALS.html

I've always really liked the Vifa tweeter.

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Has anyone found speaker stands that put the BS22 at the right height for surrounds, are relatively stable, and not too pricey?
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Back on sale on Amazon for the typical sale price. Bookshelves and a tower go for $87 while the center goes for $67. Not the best price we've seen lately, but still good.
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I'm using wrought iron plant stands. Yes really. They're just the right height and plenty stable.
I finally relented and ordered a pair of Sanus short stands for my surrounds since I found a decent price with B&H. That does not reflect a change in my bad attitude toward speaker stands, however. Now I have to find some vegetation to occupy the plant stands. Kudzu maybe?
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Well I needed something for my theater room to play "temporary duty" while I work on my next upgrade. Earlier this year I sold off my Dynaudio Contour setup and I picked up a paid of FS52's and a C22 from Best Buy today. They had the 52's for $90.99 on sale through the end of August and the C22 for $69.99. The bonus us that they will price match Amazon Prime and so I got them for $86.99 and $66.99.

I set them up in my theater and they are amazing for the money. I am feeding them way more power than they are rated for but I have them crossed over properly and will be easy with the volume control.

My initial impressions are that the tweeter and midrange performance are just fantastic for the $! They are articulate and perhaps a little laid back. Overall the image pretty darn good too.

The lower bass region performance certainly isn't anything to write home about but as other's have said, a quality sub and crossing them over actually improves the mid-bass punch.

So far I am happy with my purchase and and happy to have a functioning theater room again!
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Back on sale on Amazon for the typical sale price. Bookshelves and a tower go for $87 while the center goes for $67. Not the best price we've seen lately, but still good.
FWIW Best Buy will price match Amazon Prime. Their policy is that as long as it is an Amazon direct price they will match. Just did it today on a set.
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FWIW-

Pioneer's website has the entire 5.1 set listed (SP-PK52FS) for $354.99! That's a pair of bookshelves, center, 2 floorstanders, and 8" sub!
I printed and price matched at the local BB. Cannot wait to try these babies out!
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Pictured: One of my FS52 surrounds mounted on a Sanus NF18B stand, speaker base removed. Height from floor to top of speaker 51".
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That looks..... interesting.
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What is everyone using for stands for the 22's as surrounds? I mentioned the Sanus 31 inch ones but it seems those may not be high enough... I should mention I have an 18 month old.

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What is everyone using for stands for the 22's as surrounds? I mentioned the Sanus 31 inch ones but it seems those may not be high enough... I should mention I have an 18 month old.
I had the Sanus stands, and when my son started crawling I got rid of them.
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Yeah. I was gonna say that with an 18 month old you should look into wall mounting them. Maybe put them on a couple of end tables.
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Speakers on sale at Newegg. Bookshelves for $79, tower for $79, and center for $69.
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Disclaimer regarding my FS52s mounted on the 18" Sanus:

Stability is very good but not excellent using blu-tack and carpet spikes. They are plenty stable for my home environment, where there are no young children or circus dogs and only the occasional 2.5 earthquake. I would not recommend this configuration for everyone (obviously).

Do my surrounds sound better elevated to 51 inches? Yes!
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Yeah. I was gonna say that with an 18 month old you should look into wall mounting them. Maybe put them on a couple of end tables.
I had purchased these a while back but never got around to having them mounted: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Anything else I should consider before I work on getting them mounted or that I should know prior to?
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