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An option to consider is swapping your 2s for 1s, i.e. the first generation speakers. Putting aside discussion of which is the "better" speaker (since it has been well covered in this thread), the first generation speakers have flush metal grills, are wider, deeper (and the FS is shorter) and are pretty much kid-, cat-, vacuum cleaner-, etc. proof.

It has been a while since they have been on sale from NewEgg, which used to be a regular occurrence. Perhaps you could arrange a local swap with an owner of a comparable set of first generation speakers.

Bookshelf speakers on stands will be far more vulnerable than floorstanding speakers and represent a worse investment since the floorstanding speaker are effectively the same speaker fixed on a sturdy stand with an extra woofer and better performance (and price, depending on what stands you buy).



If you have space and depending on the size of the screen, moving the speaker(s) behind the screen is an attractive option in most cases especially if the screen is acoustically transparent and will enable you to raise it to the same tweeter level as the mains where it belongs. I hope you don't have the center on the floor, even if it is pointing up to the main listening position. Doing this may also help you protect your existing speakers and save you the time, effort and cost of changing speakers just to try to keep the safe.



Here's your real dilemma. By far the biggest upgrade in sound will come from getting a better sub - preferably (at least) two, however that better sub will cost more than your speakers. This has also been discussed at length in this thread, including advice on what and where to buy new and used.

FWIW, I have SP-FS51-LR, SP-C21 and SP-BS41-LR with dual SVS SB1000s in my bedroom theater and two SP-BS21-LRs in the basement.
Thanks for your suggestion but I would rather go with bookshelves on the wall. I don't want to have to mess around with the kids pushing over the tower either. I can't do the speaker behind the screen because it's blackout cloth and not acoustically transparent.

I know where that my sub needs upgrading but I just don't have it in my budget right now. That's why I was pondering whether going with the Polk set up would be a better option than my pioneers
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Upgrading the sub will make more of a difference than upgrading the mains. Unless you change the center, too, you're better off staying with the Pios.
That's what I'm trying to debate. Do I switch up the whole lineup for the Polk RTI series? I could get the Polk CSi3 for $50 and the rti4s for around $150. Is this worth swapping them out? I hear the Polks are a little more forward sounding and have more crisp highs compared to the more neutral sounding pioneers.
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Pioneer's Speaker Genius Hits Low Price Point

I'm in a similar situation. Got the FS52 and C22 for LCR and the BS22 for surround. I want to put the LCR mounted to the wall, also because of the kids. So far I have them on cinderblocks to have them a little higher. The BS22 I mounted on wall mounts from VideoSecu.



I originally wanted to mount the FS52 next to the screen but now decided to go with an AT screen and mount them and the center behind.
I still plan on buying 3 pairs of the same mounts, taking the bottom plate off the FS and clamp them in. That way I will be flexible in moving the left and right and tilt them up and down while have a fairly solid mount.


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Is this worth swapping them out?
Sound is very subjective (and greatly affected by the room). You might prefer the sound of the Polks. You might not. And hearing them in a store isn't going to tell you much. Put the money to a sub.
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I would rather go with bookshelves on the wall.
Blaming you for not mentioning this is easier than myself for failing to consider wall mounting. Still, with the right mount you could put the SP-FS52-LR on the walls since without the base it's a rather large bookshelf speaker. No need to sell them, though I suspect there is a related detail you also failed to mention.

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I can't do the speaker behind the screen because it's blackout cloth and not acoustically transparent.
Fair enough. If only there was a photograph of your front theater which could have been posted in this thread.

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I know where that my sub needs upgrading but I just don't have it in my budget right now. That's why I was pondering whether going with the Polk set up would be a better option than my pioneers
Every dollar not spent on possibly dubious minor improvements (which would not include decent wall mounts) is a dollar saved toward the sub(s). FWIW, I spent $325 on each of my like new SVS SB1000s purchased through Audiogon.

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Sound is very subjective (and greatly affected by the room). You might prefer the sound of the Polks. You might not. And hearing them in a store isn't going to tell you much. Put the money to a sub.
Exactly what he said so succinctly.

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You can always grab a pair of BS22's and later use them as Atmos or height channels. Or wait for Elacs. I'm using the 22's (like them enough to give away a set of infinity primus) with SVS subs go with what everyone is saying a great sub will make any speakers sound that much better.

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No, my plan is to mount them on the wall on the sides of my screen. Not ideal I know, but I want them off the ground due to kids not being able to mess with them. Here's a picture.
Nice.
2 4" bookshelfs wont come close to filling that room satisfactorily.
If it were me Id find a way to wall mount the 52s. If you do it I suggest you mount them upside down with the tweeter at ear height when youre sitting at the MLP. Might look a little funny but it will sound better.
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Leave you more money for a better sub.
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BS22's would be great in 1,700 cubes. But why get rid of good towers if you have room for them. GET A SUB!

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Id find a way to wall mount the 52s. If you do it I suggest you mount them upside down with the tweeter at ear height when youre sitting at the MLP. Might look a little funny but it will sound better.
Without the stand, the SP-FS52-LR would look fine upside down with the cloth grille on, with the Pioneer badge rotated or removed.

Maybe you can make a wood mount and you could screw the speakers to the mount.
Leave you more money for a better sub.[/QUOTE]

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But why get rid of good towers if you have room for them
Good question. It's not as if he would have sold them and failed to mention it.
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I'm in a similar situation. Got the FS52 and C22 for LCR and the BS22 for surround. I want to put the LCR mounted to the wall, also because of the kids. So far I have them on cinderblocks to have them a little higher. The BS22 I mounted on wall mounts from VideoSecu.



I originally wanted to mount the FS52 next to the screen but now decided to go with an AT screen and mount them and the center behind.
I still plan on buying 3 pairs of the same mounts, taking the bottom plate off the FS and clamp them in. That way I will be flexible in moving the left and right and tilt them up and down while have a fairly solid mount.


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Do you really think those speaker mounts could hold up the tower speakers adequately?
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Nice.
2 4" bookshelfs wont come close to filling that room satisfactorily.
If it were me Id find a way to wall mount the 52s. If you do it I suggest you mount them upside down with the tweeter at ear height when youre sitting at the MLP. Might look a little funny but it will sound better.
Maybe you can make a wood mount and you could screw the speakers to the mount.
Leave you more money for a better sub.
Really? I was under the impression the bookshelves would work fine in the size room, especially since I'm going to be using a subwoofer.

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BS22's would be great in 1,700 cubes. But why get rid of good towers if you have room for them. GET A SUB!
It's not that the towers are bad speakers but like I mentioned previously I want to get them off the floor due to kids

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Without the stand, the SP-FS52-LR would look fine upside down with the cloth grille on, with the Pioneer badge rotated or removed.

Maybe you can make a wood mount and you could screw the speakers to the mount.
Leave you more money for a better sub.
Hmm, i'm not sure what that would even look like, but I don't like the idea of drilling into my speakers.



Good question. It's not as if he would have sold them and failed to mention it.[/QUOTE]

I haven't sold them yet but if I could I would go on the bookshelf route unless I mount them as others have suggested.
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and then so back to my original thought, if the Pioneer bookshelves won't fill this size room, and maybe I do get some bookshelves with a bigger size driver and a matching center channel? Ugh...
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Do you really think those speaker mounts could hold up the tower speakers adequately?

I had the BS22 mounted with them for a year without an issue. Now, the BS22 are short and 10pounds each. The FS52 are long and 29pounds each. Would I mount the FS52 with just one bottom mount and more so tilted forward like I did the BS22 ? No way. The speaker is only clamped in, with foam in between to protect against scratches and avoid slippage. But by using a bottom mount and putting the same mount 180degree turned on top, while attaching the mounts to the studs,not just the drywall, I'm confident it will be secure for my purpose.


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I had the BS22 mounted with them for a year without an issue. Now, the BS22 are short and 10pounds each. The FS52 are long and 29pounds each. Would I mount the FS52 with just one bottom mount and more so tilted forward like I did the BS22 ? No way. The speaker is only clamped in, with foam in between to protect against scratches and avoid slippage. But by using a bottom mount and putting the same mount 180degree turned on top, while attaching the mounts to the studs,not just the drywall, I'm confident it will be secure for my purpose.


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Hm, I'd hate to have to buy two sets of the mounts. Any other way to mount these things? Any any other comments about whether the bs 22s could fill up my room? 12x21 with 7 foot ceilings.
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You could just get regular shelving brackets and either wedge the speakers between them or secure them with screws. Less of an issue with the bottom plate on the towers. Not sure if you would want to drill into the top.
The only reason I want to go with the mounts for all 3 front speakers is the option to swivel/tilt them easily.


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Hm, I'd hate to have to buy two sets of the mounts. Any other way to mount these things? Any any other comments about whether the bs 22s could fill up my room? 12x21 with 7 foot ceilings.
They will work fine in that room it's under 2000 cubes not concert level but plenty loud if the bass duties are handed off to a good sub.

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Any other way to mount these things?
There are already four (probably metal lined) screw holes in the bottom and you should be mounting them with the tweeters at the bottom facing the main listening position (or close to it), so there may be an elegant way to hang the speakers from either the wall or maybe the ceiling. In the latter case you could do the same with your two, four, ... seventy-six (for Dolby Atmos®) surround speakers* and it would look really cool and be out of reach of small hands.

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It depends on the acoustics of your room, the amplifier(s) powering them and your listening preferences. Shirley you have at least a SP-BS22-LR intended for 5.1 surrounds which you can use to test your 2.0 (stereo) and 3.0 listening. In any case, the SP-FS-51-LR will do better.

*[Not to be confused with the new SP-BS22A-LR compact speakers for Dolby Atmos® Designed by Andrew Jones.]
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I would have no problem putting screws into the top of the 52 if I had to. Build a wood mount. Paint it black and use black screws.
Its not going to hurt the sound, hurt the speaker or do much to the resale value.
Now if it was a $1000/pair set of speakers with a furniture grade cherry cabinet that would be a different story.
52s will do a better job of filling the room than 22s no matter what the case and you already have them.
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Why hang them from the top? Can't you put a shelf on the wall and put them on that? Sig Other can even help pick out a shelf! They can still be upside down if you wish. Bookshelf/towers!

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Why hang them from the top? Can't you put a shelf on the wall and put them on that? Sig Other can even help pick out a shelf! They can still be upside down if you wish. Bookshelf/towers!

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So you're saying mount a shelf on the sides of my screen to have the FS 52s rest on? I suppose I could then drill holes under the shelf to go into the already available screw holes and use screws to provide some security. Hmmm...just wonder if this would be high enough and out of the way with kids.
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In the end you need to know what you want to do and when you want to do it. I changed my plans for my screen and speaker placement several times over the last year. I went from painted wall and speaker on floor including center to buying a screen and mounting the speaker on the sides to an AT screen and mounting the speaker behind and my C22 upright as well.


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It will be interesting to see how the new ELAC From AJ will compare with the Pioneer!

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In the end you need to know what you want to do and when you want to do it. I changed my plans for my screen and speaker placement several times over the last year. I went from painted wall and speaker on floor including center to buying a screen and mounting the speaker on the sides to an AT screen and mounting the speaker behind and my C22 upright as well.


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Yeah that's true. Well, I have decided to go the bookshelf route and mount them on the sides of my screen. Using the shelf would still put them in arms grasp and I'd rather not have something so large put on a shelf. I'm thinking I will just go with the BS22s and avoid changing up my brand. These things are dirt cheap and I'd rather not spend extra money on some other speakers for some slightly better sensitivity.
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Towers, bookshelves, and center all on sale at Best Buy and Amazon. A little cheaper on amazon so you could price match
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Also, I'm going to pull the trigger on the bookshelves today. New BS22s could be had for $91 after tax from Best Buy after price match, or I could buy a Used Set on ebay for $18 cheaper. Is there any benefit to buying them new over used outside of possible imperfections on the speakers?
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Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered another BS22 pair as rears for my set up making it 7.1, sweet


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So now that I go AT with my screen I'm contemplating if I should
A) put my center C22 upright (vertical)
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B) buy a third FS52 as a center especially considering that they are currently $40 off.

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So now that I go AT with my screen I'm contemplating if I should
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