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SP-BS41s for Front L/R, SP-C21 for the center, and the SW-8 for the sub.
The SP-BS41-LR are great and if you agree to replace the SW-8 in the future as the single best investment in improvement then we may not mention it again... too many times.

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I've been using some crappy old JBL satellites for the rear channels since it's all the room can fit (and even they are annoying placed).
If you want to come down to VA, I can hook you up with two bargain SP-BS21-LRs (i.e. four speakers) to complete a matching 7.1 system which won't fit in your space*.

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I was thinking of getting rid of rear speakers altogether and getting the new upward firing add-on speakers designed for an Atmos...
There is enough magic in the effect of a room on the sound that definitive right and wrong can be difficult to determine, but those would be the wrong speakers for the wrong job, since they are based on the second generation the Atmos modules are and designed for a different job.

If it you really cannot arrange your space to accommodate surround sound even with the usual options such as wall mounting*, with the 5.1 surrounds being closer to the sides of the main listening position, not the rear, then consider using front height speakers combined with widely spaced left and right and your tall ceiling. Your current receiver probably has an option for this.

You will also want a SP-BS21-LR to replace the JBLs. This should enable your receiver to give you the best spacious sound with what sounds like a compromised space around the main listening position. I haven't seen a NewEgg sale of them for a while, but I'm sure you can get a deal on these already superb bargain speakers.

*[You may be failing to consider ways to arrange your small space to fit the right speakers in the right places, though without pictures it would be a guessing game. Here's a guess: rotate the room 90 degrees.]
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Please tell me if this is a completely stupid idea:

The living room in my new apartment is considerably smaller than my previous place, so the rear speakers in my 5.1 setup have been a bit of a pain. The rest of my setup are the SP-BS41s for Front L/R, SP-C21 for the center, and the SW-8 for the sub. I've been using some crappy old JBL satellites for the rear channels since it's all the room can fit (and even they are annoying placed).

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I was thinking of getting rid of rear speakers altogether and getting the new upward firing add-on speakers designed for an Atmos setup (the SP-T22A-LR), but hooking them up as rear speakers in my 5.1 setup. It would give my living room a much cleaner look and the wife would certainly be happy. My ceilings are ~11' tall. So, can those speakers even be hooked up to a receiver in such a manner and will that plan give me in any way shape or form the illusion of having rear channel audio?
You might be better off looking at small satellites such as the Cambridge Audio Minx Min22 which are about the size of a can of Coke. The Min22 have generally high Wife Acceptance Factor (WAF) and can be wall mounted with the supplied bracket. There is also the option of the expensive speaker stand if you need them. The Min22 are more petite than the up-firing Atmos modules you might be considering.

By getting a second SW-8, it will help smooth out the bass and minimize seat to seat variance on the lower frequencies as well as the ability to set the cross frequency to a higher value for the Min22. You will need to do this regardless of going with the up-firing Atmos modules or Min22.

The speaker configuration then be setup for an Atmos 5.1.2 system and you will get the full benefits of surround sound. This assumes the Atmos up-firing modules are located at the front sound stage and bounce the sound off the ceiling.

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Wouldnt he need an Atmos receiver to get any benefit from Atmos add ons?
Wouldnt he also need at least a 7.1 receiver since the add ons have their own speaker wire?
What if its not an Atmos source? Will the add ons play anything?
Where would he hook the add ons up to the receiver if its a non Atmos receiver?
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You might be better off looking at small satellites ... generally high Wife Acceptance Factor
While a factor, I got the impression that WAF wasn't his limiting factor, but space - possibly because he's mistakenly trying to put his 5.1 system's rears behind his main listening position. We may need to wait for more details from him to clarify.

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By getting a second SW-8.. [valid observation concerning the advantage of multiple subs]
..he'll waste money he should save for his first really good sub, after which he can start saving for his second.

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Wouldnt he need an Atmos receiver to get any benefit from Atmos add ons?
He wasn't trying to get Atmos, he just had a not-at-all-stupid idea that by getting the SP-T22A-LR as front left and right he could use the upfiring speaker to bounce the rear channels off the ceiling to obviate the need for actual surround speakers.
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I asked before if they'd be a good substitute for front heights. I don't think anyone has enough experience with them to offer an opinion, since they don't seem to be available yet.

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I asked before if they'd be a good substitute for front heights. I don't think anyone has enough experience with them to offer an opinion, since they don't seem to be available yet.
Try it and let us know.
I dont think they would work at all. How would you wire them properly?

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As front heights?
I tried bookshelves as heights and wasn't overwhelmed, so I'm happy with my 5.2; this is more "food for thought."
I'm sure someone who buys them will give it a try.

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Wouldnt he need an Atmos receiver to get any benefit from Atmos add ons?
Wouldnt he also need at least a 7.1 receiver since the add ons have their own speaker wire?
What if its not an Atmos source? Will the add ons play anything?
Where would he hook the add ons up to the receiver if its a non Atmos receiver?

What I was asking was how the Atmos speakers might sound if I were to plug them into my 5.1 receiver in place of my current rear surround speakers...as in I would have a sub, center, fronts, and the two "atmos" speakers on top of the fronts...so NO actual rear speakers. I know it is in no way ideal and the sounds emanating from them would not sound like they are coming from behind me, but I was just curious if it could somehow to a decent job of creating a surround sound feel in my current and rather small living room.
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Similar to my question. You could try them as rears and as front heights and see what sounded better.
Academic at the moment, since they're not available yet.
Let us know how they work out for you, though.
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As front heights?
I tried bookshelves as heights and wasn't overwhelmed, so I'm happy with my 5.2; this is more "food for thought."
I'm sure someone who buys them will give it a try.
You cant just wire them as front heights. They are essentially 2 speakers in 1 cabinet.
If you wire the main part of the speaker to "front height" on the receiver what are you going to wire the top part of the speaker to in the receiver?
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What I was asking was how the Atmos speakers might sound if I were to plug them into my 5.1 receiver in place of my current rear surround speakers...as in I would have a sub, center, fronts, and the two "atmos" speakers on top of the fronts...so NO actual rear speakers. I know it is in no way ideal and the sounds emanating from them would not sound like they are coming from behind me, but I was just curious if it could somehow to a decent job of creating a surround sound feel in my current and rather small living room.
If you do that the top firing part of the Atmos speakers wont do anything. You have to wire that separately.
Maybe if you hook up the main part to "surround" and the Atmos part to "front height/presence" it will work but it would most likely sound strange.
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what are you going to wire the top part of the speaker to in the receiver?
Front wide?


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Front wide?

Dont know of a receiver that supports both front height and wide. But that might not be too bad.
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