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Hi

I am continuing the discussion of 3677's in this thread so that I dont clutter your other thread.

I looked at my HT and I think JBL 3677 or 3678 should work fine.

Also, I am looking t QSC SC-1150 which are similar to 3677's.

What do you recommend? I know you did not try 1150 but you are the only one who has listened to 2150's!

I will get quotes from both and will decide.

Thanks for your time.

I would strongly recommend against the 3678.
When I found the great deal on my qsc 2150 s there were 5. I bought them all and sold 2. The guy I sold them too had a theater with 3678s. He just didn't like them.. Dull was one description he used. Once he got my 2 extra 2150s he went on and on saying they are in another league and he was finally happy. I haven't heard them but just because something is better on paper doesn't mean it'll sound better.

As for the qsc 1150, I had some lengthy discusions with a guy who ended up with 1120 I believe. He really liked them and commented about great vocals and midbass. I need to see if I can find his name and see if he can chime in. Although it's still a toss up as he's never heard the 3677.
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I would strongly recommend against the 3678.
When I found the great deal on my qsc 2150 s there were 5. I bought them all and sold 2. The guy I sold them too had a theater with 3678s. He just didn't like them.. Dull was one description he used. Once he got my 2 extra 2150s he went on and on saying they are in another league and he was finally happy. I haven't heard them but just because something is better on paper doesn't mean it'll sound better.

As for the qsc 1150, I had some lengthy discusions with a guy who ended up with 1120 I believe. He really liked them and commented about great vocals and midbass. I need to see if I can find his name and see if he can chime in. Although it's still a toss up as he's never heard the 3677.
Thanks for your inputs.

On Monday, I am placing an order for three 3677's. 1120 are 12" inch drive and 3677's are 15"

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I would like to save the shipping costs. What sub-woofer do you recommend?

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I would like to save the shipping costs. What sub-woofer do you recommend?

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People swear bang for buck on DIY subs. This is the route I'll go most likely.
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My first diy sub 15 years ago destroyed a paradigm 12"er. It cost 1 grand back then, mine was $300. I haven't owned anything but diy in 15 years. The new theater has 4 stereo integrity 18ht subs that I built to be hidden in alcoves and behind the screen wall. Dayton also makes great divers... Ultimax for example. Lots of good subs out there but these are probably best bang for the buck... Si 18ht followed by ultimax 18.
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I will go with Si 18ht. I am assuming that I only need one (HT 15'L X 15'WX 8'H)

What kind of Electronics do you suggest for three (L/C/R) 3677's and one sub Si 18ht?

I will later extend to 7.1 with volt 10lx surrounds.

Thank You all for the help and patience.
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I will go with Si 18ht. I am assuming that I only need one (HT 15'L X 15'WX 8'H)

What kind of Electronics do you suggest for three (L/C/R) 3677's and one sub Si 18ht?

I will later extend to 7.1 with volt 10lx surrounds.

Thank You all for the help and patience.

No problem.

You're going to want at least two subs so they can work together to smooth out the response. With one you are left with a room full of peaks and nulls. Google Harmon multiple subs for a pdf file of a study showing responses in a rectangular room. Here you'll find optimal spots for 2 and 4 subs.

Get a decent avr with atmos capabilities if you ever want atmos. I have the marantz sr7009 from accessories4less it's a refurb for $1200. It's a great company with manufacturer warranties and you save big bucks. The 3677 are super easy to drive to reference levels and beyond unless you're ht room is 45 feet long. Then you may need more power.. .

For the subs an inuke dsp3000 will be fine for 2 ported ht18s. If you go sealed you may want the 6000or 2 3000dsp amps. Just make sure to get the dsp versions as the on board eq is great and you definitely want to eq your subs, adjust phase etc.
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I will go with Si 18ht. I am assuming that I only need one (HT 15'L X 15'WX 8'H)

What kind of Electronics do you suggest for three (L/C/R) 3677's and one sub Si 18ht?

I will later extend to 7.1 with volt 10lx surrounds.

Thank You all for the help and patience.

No problem.

You're going to want at least two subs so they can work together to smooth out the response. With one you are left with a room full of peaks and nulls. Google Harmon multiple subs for a pdf file of a study showing responses in a rectangular room. Here you'll find optimal spots for 2 and 4 subs. You could also try dual 15s. With the room being that size huge low tuned 18s may not be doable. I built alcoves (small closets basically to hide mine) 15s will normally let you tune low in a smaller box Vs an 18 that'll need a larger box for the same tuning frequency .

Get a decent avr with atmos capabilities if you ever want atmos. I have the marantz sr7009 from accessories4less it's a refurb for $1200. It's a great company with manufacturer warranties and you save big bucks.

For the subs an inuke dsp3000 will be fine for 2 ported ht18s. If you go sealed you may want the 6000or 2 3000dsp amps. Just make sure to get the dsp versions as the on board eq is great and you definitely want to eq your subs, adjust phase etc.
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Thanks!

I just ordered three 3677's!!. They will arrive next week.

I was talking to DIY group for subs and below is the response I got:

Two sealed 15's will not keep up with the JBL's you have. You will want a minimum of two 18" sealed subwoofers with the low end boosted using the DSP from your amplifier. You could get by with two ported 15's, but sealed just won't cut it for your set up.
Please advise.

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What does "keep up mean".. to reference.?? to the 3677 maximum levels?? Keep in mind you'll get lots of bias gossip spreading info around here. Seaton has dual 15" subs that could keep up probably to the 3677 max spl, SVS is very popular and has 13" subs. Sealed or vented, both can keep up within their in room response range depending on your spl goals. Some 15s have a higher sensitivity than some 18s so they will be louder with the same power .. within their individual range. So saying an 18 will play louder is not always true and shows a lack of understanding. Saying the 18 would be best if you want to go as low as possible, and can fit the box it needs would be more accurate.. although a 15" with lots of xmax and enough power can perform the same.

18s however will play lower easier as they displace more air. If you want low and easy to drive build vented., if you can fit a large low tuned 18 go that route, if not the 15 will give you a smaller low tuned box. If you want sealed and low you'll need much more power as you have to force them to play low, room gain helps but keep in mind the Seaton subs for example are fed a few thousand watts of power to force them to play low once eq'd and setup in the room.

This is a 15x15 room. 2 good 15s or 18s will be able to keep up to reference no problem. Especially if you corner load them which is actually one of the preferred method for 2 (opposite front and rear corners) for increased output and smooth response (refer back to the Harmon study) You don't need subs that keep up with the 3677 in a real theater..just your room.

The only reason I have 4 was for the extra smoothing benefits. 2 of my subs corner loaded would have gotten me to reference, 3 would have given me headroom over reference and 4 gives me 12db + over reference on just 300w each. That's headroom I will never ever use... I just wanted an ubber smooth response seat to seat, And headroom is always a good thing. In reality I don't listen over -5db from reference. I can play reference and I only get a light or two of activity on my Inuke lights..not even close to clipping and that's 4 18s on one 3000dsp. Vented are easy to drive low.
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Thanks!

Sorry for being reliant on you for so many things. There is lot of information on this Forum but I could only decide on the HT setup based on your recommendations.

I am thinking of buying either Marantz SR6009 or SR7009.I am leaning ofourse towards SR7009. I will decide in a day or two.

I would like to spend more money on setting up the audio system and I can upgrade to the video later.So i just bought a basic Epson 3020 projector.

Which acoustic screen(16:9) do you recommend? JBL speakers spit lot of sound and I want to make sure I get the screen right.
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No problem. I have a 165 Seymour xd. Just buy the diy material. This is the 3rd screen I've built using the xd material. It's great stuff and has little acoustic impact with only a slight blockage way up high. It has a great screen gain and it brighter than my old pvc non acoustic.
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Just wanted to inform you that my JBL 3677's arrived today!!!

Couple of things..please:
1. How close do you have the screen to the speakers?
2. My screen width is 135". Is that enough to place three JBL's or will they be too close? All the three has to go behind the screen.

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Just wanted to inform you that my JBL 3677's arrived today!!!

Couple of things..please:
1. How close do you have the screen to the speakers?
2. My screen width is 135". Is that enough to place three JBL's or will they be too close? All the three has to go behind the screen.

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The pro guys at film tech like the horn close to the screen. My 2150 are almost touching it.

As for the placement. I had my mains outside the screen toed in. This will give a larger sound stage although you'll still get great sound with them all behind the screen. It's really up to you. See what sounds best.

My current 2150s are all behind a 165" screen. Although the screen is 12' wide. I did this so my subs would be optimally places.

Don't forget to play the crap outta them for several hours. The horns especially are very stubborn to break-in.

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Just wanted to inform you that my JBL 3677's arrived today!!!

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1. How close do you have the screen to the speakers?
2. My screen width is 135". Is that enough to place three JBL's or will they be too close? All the three has to go behind the screen.

Thanks
Well? How are you liking them? Don't be shy....speak up
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Well? How are you liking them? Don't be shy....speak up
Unfortunately I still did not listen to them yet. I am still waiting for my AVR Maratnz.

I was awed by the sheer size and the industrial look of these speakers. I can only imagine how 4722's and QS2150's look like. They are monsters!

You guys are lucky!

I am still in the process of painting my HT. I will keep you posted on the progress.

Have a great weekend!
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Sorry. Not much updates as I was busy with my work. I ordered for Marantz SR7009 but they asked me to wait till next week so that I get a thanks giving promotion. They say its going to be $999.00(accessories4less).

I am working on the benches to place 3677's at a ear level. Will keep you posted.

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When you can spare some time:

1. What do you suggest for room treatment, mainly Front walls before the screen is fixed.

2. When buying a sealed sub..which one do I choose:HST18 Dual 1 ohm voice coils or HST18 Dual 2 ohm voice coils

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When you can spare some time:

1. What do you suggest for room treatment, mainly Front walls before the screen is fixed.

2. When buying a sealed sub..which one do I choose:HST18 Dual 1 ohm voice coils or HST18 Dual 2 ohm voice coils

Thanks!
for the front wall everyone just covers the entire wall with 1" linacoustic. This is nothing more than flexible duct board so you can also use rigid duct board like certainteed ultra duct black from your local hvac supply house. It's basically the 703 everyone uses including for side walls although I'd go at least 1.5" on side walls, 2" on back... Although 1.5 is OK there too. Check the manufacturers acoustic Info. You can Google" Bob golds acoustic " for a spread sheet of popular insulation and their acoustic properties to compare to. All of poplar materials are in the spreadsheet.

Be aware that it's not advisable to treat everything. Treat at least the first reflections from the front 3. If you can swing the extra cost and you have good off axis response (I haven't seen this for the 3677 although I imagine it's decent) then it's also a good idea to use some diffusion or combo panels on the sidewalls next to the mains, some alternate absorption,combo,absorption etc. Lots of info on the web and some of the better acoustic stores.

As for subs... I prefer vented... That's why I built 4 ht18 tuned to 17hz. I use a single inuke 3000 dsp and can hit reference without even getting close to clipping. With sealed you'll most likely end up having to boost the bottom and needed some serious power.

1 ohm vs 2 depends on how you want to hook them up. Remember there are two coils so with a 1 ohm you can have 2 ohms in series or .5 paralell. Most who want to get the most out of an inuke will run two ohms. 4 ohms however is easier on the amp and most any amp is happy with this load. In this case you may want 2 ohm coils so you can wire them in series for a 4 ohm load. What i did was take 1 ohm coils in series to give me two ohms per driver and then I wired 2 drivers in series for a four ohm load and I run two drivers per channel and the amp has a 4 ohm load per channel. If I ever want to get another amp I can run each at 2 ohms... but after getting mine setup I now know more power is something i definitely don't need. So as you see the coils you need really depend on what you want. FWIW it's easier to draw the above out on paper ..especially if wiring dual coils together with multiple drivers.

I have prices materials and pictures on my build thread in the link below.

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Sorry. Not much updates as I was busy with my work. I ordered for Marantz SR7009 but they asked me to wait till next week so that I get a thanks giving promotion. They say its going to be $999.00(accessories4less).

I am working on the benches to place 3677's at a ear level. Will keep you posted.

Thanks
Any update??
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My peasant in-room measurement for JBL 3677 with Rythmik FV15HP subs (eq with Audyssey XT and DSpeaker Antimode) :
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Looks great! I run the bass slightly hotter than that, screw the haters!
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Damn that bass is hot...LOL. What did you use to EQ it? Response looks pretty good. I've been thinking of trying the hdmi 8 channel minidsp with dirac. XT 32 just has an odd response target and I wanna tweak it.
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Damn that bass is hot...LOL. What did you use to EQ it? Response looks pretty good. I've been thinking of trying the hdmi 8 channel minidsp with dirac. XT 32 just has an odd response target and I wanna tweak it.
The subs are eq-ed via Antimode to flat. I then add +3dB to the subs in the AVR. The rising bass is due to my natural in-room response.

I'm hoping to get the minidsp DDRC88A in the future to achieve the Harman curve.
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The subs are eq-ed via Antimode to flat. I then add +3dB to the subs in the AVR. The rising bass is due to my natural in-room response.

I'm hoping to get the minidsp DDRC88A in the future to achieve the Harman curve.
Yea that's what I meant.. Eq on the mains. Yea The Minidsp DDR88A looks really nice

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Those DDR's look really nice!
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Andrew Robison's 2nd review of the 3677 a few years after the first.

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Just thought I'd update.. I've got 3 3677s coming next week. My new HT build went so fast (2 weeks on the side) and so many contractors and everyone has been so impressed I've decided to try and Do high end builds on the side. All we have are TV installers for hundreds of miles and the HT rooms they do look like best buy did it. So I have to own what I install so I can use the room as a Demo room... That's what I tell the wife... Maybe I'll get a few a year.

Soon to come 3677 in this baffle wall..even more midbass..


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