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I've got a pair of Sony SS-U421AV towers that, I'm surprised to say, sound great! Best part is...they were given to me. Can anyone tell me exactly what I have here in terms of construction and performance please? Until today, these were connected to an old JVC amp in my garage....more on that below.

Here is a pic of similar pair:


It all started with an upgrade to my amp. I have been running a Denon AVR-1800 receiver, An Infinity CC3 center, Infinity Overture One's for fronts, and Energy Take 2 as surrounds. I've been happy with it...really.

Then I stumbled across a Yamaha RX-v3000 selling on Craig's List with a 12" Pinnacle sub for $200. I bought it and never looked back. What a monster receiver with incredible sound.

Then I got to thinking about my speakers. Again...I've been really satisfied up to this point, but because I was curious about what the Sony's might sound like driven by the Yamaha, I hooked 'em up. WOW, am I impressed! While the Overture One's produce incredible sound, the larger Sony's produced a much larger sound-stage with awesome imaging, great highs and mids, and plenty of base.

After that I unhooked the Energy's and connected the Overture's to the rears. Again...WOW! We watched "Date Night" with Steve Carrell and I gotta say I never heard so much sound and imaging coming from my rear channels. (The Energy's are great...don't get me wrong, albeit small)

So what do I have here in the Sony's, and what might I learn about what I've done with the different arrangement/connections of my speakers?

The old Sony's were made in USA. Did they make that great a speaker then?

Am I experiencing so much more sound-stage simply because my speakers are larger?

Would voiced matched speakers all around make such an audible difference that I would realize if I upgraded to some Infinity towers up front? (I mean really...can I hear the difference?)

I'm loving the experience...this is fun. I just want to make sure I understand what I have, and what I'm getting into if considering an upgrade up front.

Thanks to anyone who can help!
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I've got a pair of Sony SS-UV 421 towers that, I'm surprised to say, sound great! Best part is...they were given to me. Can anyone tell me exactly what I have here in terms of construction and performance please? Until today, these were connected to an old JVC amp in my garage....more on that below.

Here is a pic of similar pair:


It all started with an upgrade to my amp. I have been running a Denon AVR-1800 receiver, An Infinity CC3 center, Infinity Overture One's for fronts, and Energy Take 2 as surrounds. I've been happy with it...really.

Then I stumbled across a Yamaha RX-v3000 selling on Craig's List with a 12" Pinnacle sub for $200. I bought it and never looked back. What a monster receiver with incredible sound.

Then I got to thinking about my speakers. Again...I've been really satisfied up to this point, but because I was curious about what the Sony's might sound like driven by the Yamaha, I hooked 'em up. WOW, am I impressed! While the Overture One's produce incredible sound, the larger Sony's produced a much larger sound-stage with awesome imaging, great highs and mids, and plenty of base.

After that I unhooked the Energy's and connected the Overture's to the rears. Again...WOW! We watched "Date Night" with Steve Carrell and I gotta say I never heard so much sound and imaging coming from my rear channels. (The Energy's are great...don't get me wrong, albeit small)

So what do I have here in the Sony's, and what might I learn about what I've done with the different arrangement/connections of my speakers?

The old Sony's were made in USA. Did they make that great a speaker then?

Am I experiencing so much more sound-stage simply because my speakers are larger?

Would voiced matched speakers all around make such an audible difference that I would realize if I upgraded to some Infinity towers up front? (I mean really...can I hear the difference?)

I'm loving the experience...this is fun. I just want to make sure I understand what I have, and what I'm getting into if considering an upgrade up front.

Thanks to anyone who can help!


Google search dosent turn up anything ,but to me they look like old versions of the current ssf-5000's . As far as you liking the way they sound that's all that matters right ? I think too also part of why they sound better is because they are bigger speakers than the energy has . The sony's will give you a more full range sound
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I would listen to the Sony's for a week or so - and then see, if you
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Sorry...correct model is SS-U421AV. I've searched all over the net and found very little.

I do intend to listen to these for awhile to make sure I hear what I think I hear. So far however, it does sound good.

Saturday I'm due to receive a shipment of new Pinnacle Digital Towers, AKA S-Fit TWR-1050 that I obtained at $188 delivered. List on these new was $895, and at this price I have two home theater systems in the house...surely this would provide an upgrade for one or the other.... http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/digtwr2000.html

I think I'll switch out the Sony's with these and give 'em a listen.

Still wondering how much of an issue different model center vs. front's will be in terms of voice matching however.
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Still wondering how much of an issue different model center vs. front's will be in terms of voice matching however.

It will not be hard to notice the difference.

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It appears then that I've determined that towers up front combined with my Infinity Overture One's as the rear channel surrounds provides a significant upgrade in sound for my home theater. The Yamaha RX-V3000 is a great receiver, and with just a bit more expense I should be able to produce a pretty good movie experience relative to what I had before. (And was satisfied)

If voice matching is truly important for the front 3 speakers at a minimum, then given the fact that I've got two Pinnacle towers due to arrive tomorrow, it appears that I have the option of either purchasing an S-FIT LCR 250 center ($75 or ebay - 1 left) or upgrading the front towers to Infinity (Maybe model P362 @ $658/pair) to match my existing CC3 Infinity Center.

Pinnacle's been in business a long time....second largest independent speaker manufacturer in the U.S. Infinity has always impressed me, but I have to admit that I lean towards getting the greatest value overall....brand names aren't the primary driver in my decisions.

It's not likely that I'll be able to audition both set ups locally, and if the price was no issue I'd clearly love the Infinity set up on all channels.

Specs only tell a small part of the story. How to decide between the two options?
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Try to match up the Pinnacle - the front 3 channels are important.
Check with Amazon and Radioshack.com

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Try to match up the Pinnacle - the front 3 channels are important.

Thanks for the direction...

I've just noticed that my CC3 has voice matching tone controls. Wonder how close I could get it to the Pinnacle towers?

In your opinion, how do the Pinnacle towers compare to the Infinity towers I mentioned? (I get that HI FI is subjective, but it provides a starting point for me to learn from)

Thanks again!
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Thanks for the direction...

I've just noticed that my CC3 has voice matching tone controls. Wonder how close I could get it to the Pinnacle towers?

In your opinion, how do the Pinnacle towers compare to the Infinity towers I mentioned? (I get that HI FI is subjective, but it provides a starting point for me to learn from)

Thanks again!

The CC3 has midrange and bass adjustments for your room - not
for voicing with other brand speakers. It has been a long time
since I heard a Pinnacle speaker.

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The CC3 has midrange and bass adjustments for your room - not
for voicing with other brand speakers. It has been a long time
since I heard a Pinnacle speaker.

I have to admit to being a bit confused. From the CC3 owner's manual:

Figure 6. The CC-3 includes VOICE
MATCHING controls (on the rear) to
help match the sound coming from
the front left and right speakers.
NOTE: The normal ° center
position is typically the best match
when using other Infinity speakers in
your home theater system.
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It is more like a level control match, for other Infinity speaker lines.
It would be hard to match the tonal character of other brand speakers.
However, you may get lucky. If you could match the timbre of other
brand speakers - then there would be a bunch of these on the market
from other companies. It is your choice - I have done this A/V thing a
long time.

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It is more like a level control match, for other Infinity speaker lines.
It would be hard to match the tonal character of other brand speakers.
However, you may get lucky. If you could match the timbre of other
brand speakers - then there would be a bunch of these on the market
from other companies. It is your choice - I have done this A/V thing a
long time.

The adjustment range shown in the manual is HIGH: 6dB, 3-20 kHz MID: 6dB, 400 Hz-3kHz

I have no doubt that you've been doing A/V for a long time, and I trust your advice. (Which is exactly why I've asked so many questions) Difficulty is that for those of us that don't have your level of experience/expertise, it's hit and miss setting up a proper system on a budget unless we get advice like this.



You can get so many different opinions however. I just spent 40 minutes talking with Collin in engineering at Pinnacle. He was extremely patient and helpful, and actually advised that I keep the Infinity CC3 over buying his or any other new center given the fact that it has large 5.25" drivers, weighs 16 lbs, (good build) and has tonal adjustments. His feeling is that most mismatch on voice tone can be adjusted within the receiver, not to mention the additional adjustments on the Infinity center.

I dunno, I dunno, I dunno....

I'll set up the Pinnacles tomorrow after they arrive and see what I think. I do appreciate the help, and any additional direction.
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Try it, and see if it works for you - I am suprised at his answer.
You may be able to save some money. It would be interesting to
hear what you think after a couple of months. Good Luck!

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Try it, and see if it works for you - I am suprised at his answer.
You may be able to save some money. It would be interesting to
hear what you think after a couple of months. Good Luck!

Thank you sir!

Again...I appreciate all your help.
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I love old school speakers! No subwoofer needed.

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I love old school speakers! No subwoofer needed.

Me too! I typically turn down my sub except for home theater use.

I also have a pair of SRL 4.4 that I purchased new in the late 70's. (Sound Research Labs - I'll bet not many have heard of those)
I've re-foamed the surrounds and they sound excellent.

Sort of a unique design I hear in that they used Piezo tweeters. University Stereo in Southern California sold them when they were in business as a prevalent stereo outlet there. I still love 'em.
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I'm afraid that I've got the bug to upgrade bad...really bad.

Half the quest for me is to get the very best value that I can, and that doesn't mean that it has to be a brand name speaker. As earlier stated I have a pair of Pinnacle Digital Towers on order arriving tomorrow that I can't wait to set up. They were a steal new at $188/pair delivered relative to their $895 retail price, and it'll be really interesting to see how they sound.

If I had the option I would seriously consider horn tweeter designs, as I absolutely fell in love with some Klipsch V-35 models auditioned at Best Buy. I love a bright speaker anyway, and the dynamic range of the horn really impressed me.

Bic Acoustech has their model PL-76 at Overstock for $360.00. If I was able to locate these locally for a listen, I'd be hard pressed to purchase these in addition to the Pinnacles already on order, keep the better pair, and sell the other on Craig's List.

Anyone care to speculate as to which of the two would sound better, and why?
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