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So as many here have helped my out on my decision of the components and with 3 weeks of research, after setting this system up, I can confidently say, that this setup is the best home theater setup for under $1000 IMO

I consider myself 50% audiophile, I just didn't justify spending too much on speaker system, was not happy with an Onkyo HTIB for about a year, was certainly lacking, satellite speakers suck, PERIOD.

First: The Pioneer Speakers (FS51 Fronts, C21 Center, BS21 Surrounds) $370

I had the chance to listen to the 5 speaker setup with my old Onkyo receiver that came with the HTIB and with the Passive 8" sub.

Build Quality:
I can't believe how Pioneer managed to build such high quality speakers at such low price, especially the fronts, very elegant design IMO, amazing solid build.

Sound:
After swapping my satellites to these, I couldn't believe how much the sound quality was improved, changing the crossover on my old Onkyo to 80, and still using the old 8" sub, the system sounded 10 times better, even the terrible bass from the sub sounded better, the transition from the the fronts to the bass frequency is now perfectly smooth.

The speakers have one of the best distinguished stereo imaging I have ever listened to (not sure if this is the best to describe what I mean), the differences in voices are so clear that almost sometimes in every movie I literally two or 3 times at least, I get the feel of reality of few sounds, that I keep looking if it is really in my room or the sound is coming from the speakers.

Frequency response on the fronts is great, I didn't take any measurements, but they go down to sub 60Hz with tight nice bass, especially at high volume.

The 5 speakers fill my open space living room (19x10) with great head room for more volume, wasn't able to hear any distortion at high volumes, sound is just balanced, normal, neutral, natural and warm.

BIC America F12 SubWoofer: $183

Coming from 8" Subwoofer was certainly huge improvement, VERY powerful output, dial only at 3 and +1db on receiver and it is plenty, more than that and it will start sounding a bit boomy, so it is ok for music but it is an incredible deal for home theater and movies, which what I bought this system for, for $183, can't get better than this at this price.

Pioneer VSX-1020 AVR: $360

Excellent receiver, plenty of power, super easy setup, tons of options and features, zero HDMI issues, zero setup issues, great design, nothing else to say.

Total system cost about $950.

In my opinion, for medium sized rooms, to get better sound quality for movies than what those speakers can deliver (Pioneer speakers is the real hero here), you certainly have to at least pay 3 times more to feel better sound quality.

I hope this mini review is helpful, for anyone who is looking for a setup at the $1000 budget, can't recommend this setup more than I have already done, it will sound excellent and IMO, it sounds better than any budget Polk or Klipsch speakers.









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Congrats!! I think you made a great bang for buck system. I have the same center as you that I paired with some refurbed Advent 5002s. It sounds great!! The center has clean uncolored performance that sounds more expensive than $80. That being said, I am sure you will catch some flack for the 3x the price statement. As well as from fans of the other brands you name dropped. Keep your head low!!

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Those towers look like they're at the perfect height for your setup-- my one concern with them when I was looking was that the tweeters would be too low for our listening position.
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The pioneers are great bang for the buck. I was shocked at the sound quality of the 21s for only 90$. That bic subwoofer looks great!



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Hey man, which BIC F12 is it, the 150 or 450 Watt?.
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Hey man, which BIC F12 is it, the 150 or 450 Watt?.
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There is only one Bic F12.
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Recommended Power: Built-in Amplifier Power: 475 watts Dynamic Peak, 150 watts RMS continuous

There is a difference from RMS watts which are continuous and Dynamic watts which are peaks in wattage outputs

ShopBLT has the best price for the Bic F12 I have seen for keeping at a constant $182 unfortunately since they have the best price they do sell out but they are good at getting restocked
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There is only one, BLT has the best price for the Bic F12 I have seen for keeping at a constant $182 unfortunately since they have the best price they do sell out but they are good at getting restocked

I have never heard of them, are they safe to but from?
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I have never heard of them, are they safe to but from?

Ask the folks in the Bic F12 thread cause countless people have purchased from there.

I haven't done business with them but those i recommended to go through that site have no issues besides having to wait for them to restock.

If you see it on Amazon for $183 purchase it immediately.
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Shopblt.com is very reputable, I also bought my f-12 from there. Oh yeah - FREE SHIPPING.

I had almost the exact same setup fir a while. My receiver was the vsx-505 but just went to the 820.

Musically I enjoyed it, HT it was ok. I may have rushed it a bit cause I'm in Canada and bought them in the states.

Maybe I'll give them another go - still haven't replace my old kenwoods yet.
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I have never heard of them, are they safe to but from?

I bought my F12 from them, I got it next day since I live in PA, they are good
It was the one of the last two they had before it went out of stock, but they seem to be getting more.
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Great looking setup on a budget. I am thinking about trying those pioneers on second system in living room. Any chance you tried the sub in the right corner? Did you try the subwoofer crawl? Don't look to be getting much gain with current placement, may want to give it a try if looking for more output.
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I've been really considering the pioneer speakers, especially since I got a KURO and became a huge Pioneer fanboy My only problem is currently I have HTIB speakers which sound good but are mounted on my wall. I have no place to put the bookshelf Pioneers and the floor speakers would be a problem as well. So confused, do I ruin my clean, nothing on the floor look of my systems, where no one can see my speakers, or go for the gusto!!
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Nice setup! Those speakers are a great buy, no doubt.

The only thing I would suggest is a better sub down the line. Once you experience true sub bass in movies (I am talking 25hz and below), you will fall in love with your system all over again.


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Great looking setup on a budget. I am thinking about trying those pioneers on second system in living room. Any chance you tried the sub in the right corner? Did you try the subwoofer crawl? Don't look to be getting much gain with current placement, may want to give it a try if looking for more output.

Yep, I am getting the least output in my seating position.
Issue is the right corner is too small to fit both the Pioneer FS51 and Sub.

I have done the crawl and found the best bass response for this current sub position is the exact opposite side

The output is sufficient right now where I sit, but it is just not easy to find a decent position in my current room setup
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Try switching the sub and the tower.
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I would suggest is a better sub down the line (I am talking 25hz and below)

Can you direct me to a place where I can get a SUB that will go as low as possible, I looked and looked and din't find any.
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Holy cow!!

I just watched the Incredible Hulk, I didn't know what I was missing on that 8" SUB

The bass is incredibly deep, I am not hearing it, I just feel it in a seamless way blended with the speakers

I am now impressed with the BIC F12
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Holy cow!!

I just watched the Incredible Hulk, I didn't know what I was missing on that 8" SUB

The bass is incredibly deep, I am not hearing it, I just feel it in a seamless way blended with the speakers

I am now impressed with the BIC F12

That's it, I'm sold!!!
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That's a sweet setup. Congrats
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Did you buy all the Pioneer speakers at BB? And if so, did they give you a discount like other posters have said they do when you buy the 5.0?

I'm trying to decide between this exact setup or going through Polk's ebay site and pairing Monitor 60's, a CS2, and Monitor 30's with the F12...

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Did you buy all the Pioneer speakers at BB? And if so, did they give you a discount like other posters have said they do when you buy the 5.0?

BB is the only place to get these speakers (except the bs41) and to get the discount you need a nice manager willing to make the sale and/or good linguistic skills
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I've been wanting to ask, what is that the SUB is sitting on?
Some kind of snake oil?
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I've been wanting to ask, what is that the SUB is sitting on?
Some kind of snake oil?

Search the subwoofer section for Subdude.

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Almost my exact same setup, except I went hsu stf-2
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I've been wanting to ask, what is that the SUB is sitting on?
Some kind of snake oil?

Auralex Gramma (also known in in consumer product form: the Auralex Subdude). Not snake oil, it's an isolation platform, originally designed for professional market

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I have a Energy s10.3 sub and it has the same dimension as the Bic F12 except my s10.3 is 1 inch deeper (17.33" x 14.14" x 18.31). You can actually fit it on the regular subdude and don't really need the Gramma. The feet on the F12 are not near the edges so it should easily fit the standard pad.


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I bought my F12 from them, I got it next day since I live in PA, they are good
It was the one of the last two they had before it went out of stock, but they seem to be getting more.

Oh boy!!
I just checked and they only have 16 incoming, yet there are 59 ppl in line waiting for one
I was told on a different thread that the towers have great bass and that I could go without a SUB for a while, I guess I'll have to get in line and wait for my turn.
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They get new stock in pretty frequently so the wait shouldnt be too long.

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I have a Energy s10.3 sub and it has the same dimension as the Bic F12 except my s10.3 is 1 inch deeper (17.33" x 14.14" x 18.31). You can actually fit it on the regular subdude and don't really need the Gramma. The feet on the F12 are not near the edges so it should easily fit the standard pad.


http://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Subwoo...6065382&sr=8-1

Both cost the same price, so I went with Gramma, since it is bigger, so I can use if if I ever wanna buy a bigger SUB
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They get new stock in pretty frequently so the wait shouldnt be too long.
Damn last time I checked they were 100 ppl in line but they're getting 1500 of them on FEB/04 so I just pulled the trigger
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