Originally Posted by Timothy91
During the development and testing of Infinity's CMMD drivers and speaker development, Infinity targeted the "best in class" (best in price-range is really what this means). 10 years ago Infinity well OVER-SHOT the mark making speakers until around 2005 that were FAR above the quality of it's competitor's at the price point. Infinity has unfortunately since brought it's products in the low cost category back to earth and enthusiasts need to look to the Revel line to get high end performance.
First, let me make clear that I have complete respect for Harman and their R&D efforts. That said...
Apparently, Infinity's effort wasn't enough to best the sound of the price comparable BIC, at least to your ears. And your ears may very well be correct, there are many speakers that best Infinity's entry level efforts.
The cabinets built by Harman/Infinity use patented waveguides and specialized materials. Even on their low cost speakers, the quality is quite decent. On the Revel lines, it's very good.
This doesn't mean that Harman has a monopoly on solid cabinet construction. I've seen cabinets made of aluminum, concrete, granite, and purpose built man made materials. Infinity's low cost cabinets are two step above a cardboard box, in my opinion.
Nor are Infinity/Revel drivers anything special. Dome tweeters are not exactly pushing state of the art. I'll bet donuts to dollars that Revel's flagship speaker uses a mere few hundred dollars worth of drivers.
You started posting in this thread speaking of value. Where is the value in paying brick and mortar (retail) prices? The Revel flagship costs much much less to manufacture than it's retail price would suggest. The Cirrus appears to be much closer in final cost vs. manufacturing cost in comparison.
Initially BIC developed the stellar DV and Acoustech speaker lines with what is obviously a quality experience as the target. BIC hit that mark and their speakers were (and still are) widely praised. BIC hasn't changed the design on the DV series in over 10 years. There hasn't been any need to. I'm not going to put BIC's DV series up against Cirrus but it wouldn't surprise me in a blind test that BIC's DV series would fare much better than one would expect, especially to the untrained enthusiast's ear (which is virtually 99.99999% of the music listeners).
This doesn't answer the question I asked. Does BIC use the same testing methods that Harman employs? Let's keep the playing field level. I quote:
Were these speakers tested by trained listeners in a blind test? What type of methods were used to eliminate any subjective bias for the listeners? Were all speakers tested firing from the same location in the same size room to the same seated position?
BIC makes a speaker that you enjoy more than the technological juggernaut Harman does. Perhaps a small company like Vapor Audio (and others), blazing their own path, can as well?