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Thanks. It wasn't specific about which version of the P815 was used which was the unwritten subtext to my question.

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New P6V and question about Atmos ceiling speakers

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Anybody coming to the ISE in Amsterdam?

Gerben,

Big Procella fan here. I am slowly finishing my 350 ft^2 theater room with Procella speakers and working with Nyal Mellor here in the USA. I have just completed the baffle wall with P8 LCR and it already sounds incredibly dynamic using my Datasat LS10 / Parasound amplifiers and that is without any EQ or Dirac Live.

The new P6v is really nice looking. I am happy to see the new P6V design as I was thinking I would have to wrap fabric cloth over the existing P6V for use as side surround due to the more industrial look. Are there any changes to the speaker regarding the compression driver or woofer?

P5iw or P6iw for Atmos:
I have posed this question to Chuck Back and Nyal and while they both agree that the P5iw will be fine for my room I am still on the fence regarding whether the ability to set the crossover at 80Hz with the P6iw vs. setting the P5 at 90-100Hz will make any noticeable difference when in the middle of a huge action scene. My ceilings are 10ft high in front row and 9ft in second row. Any thoughts?

By the way Chuck Back is perhaps the most responsive corporate sales representative I have come across. It's very nice to see companies allowing access to personnel such as yourself and Chuck.

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Gerben,

Big Procella fan here. I am slowly finishing my 350 ft^2 theater room with Procella speakers and working with Nyal Mellor here in the USA. I have just completed the baffle wall with P8 LCR and it already sounds incredibly dynamic using my Datasat LS10 / Parasound amplifiers and that is without any EQ or Dirac Live.

The new P6v is really nice looking. I am happy to see the new P6V design as I was thinking I would have to wrap fabric cloth over the existing P6V for use as side surround due to the more industrial look. Are there any changes to the speaker regarding the compression driver or woofer?

P5iw or P6iw for Atmos:
I have posed this question to Chuck Back and Nyal and while they both agree that the P5iw will be fine for my room I am still on the fence regarding whether the ability to set the crossover at 80Hz with the P6iw vs. setting the P5 at 90-100Hz will make any noticeable difference when in the middle of a huge action scene. My ceilings are 10ft high in front row and 9ft in second row. Any thoughts?

By the way Chuck Back is perhaps the most responsive corporate sales representative I have come across. It's very nice to see companies allowing access to personnel such as yourself and Chuck.
Hi Farsider,

Thanks for the kind words, and yes, we do try to be available to our customers as much as possible, we are in this for the fun of great audio and home cinema to begin with, so happy to share the experience.

In your 350ft/sq room, (23 x 15 ish?) the P8 will do very well indeed. You are working with Nyall, so you will have decent room acoustics, which is key. Too much EQ in the processor (more than +/- 3dB at any frequency) is never a good thing, so try to avoid that, and room acoustics is key for this.

The P6V is identical to the previous one, it only got a cosmetic make-over. The P6/P6V has in fact NEVER been changed (drivers/electronics) since we first launched it, it was born perfect

Of course Nyall/Chuck are right: the P5/P5iW will be fine for your room, we used the P5 in a similar sized room as yours at our very(!) successful #ISE2017 demo room in Amsterdam just a few short weeks ago. So no issues there. (See photos on our FB page)

BUT... If Chuck still has the P6iW in stock, you may want to upgrade: yes lower crossover, yes identical voice/loudspeaker in all surrounds and Atmos, that would all be very nice. Chasing the last 5% here, but that is where the fun is. It all depends on what Chuck has available in terms of units, they are running out. At some point we will have a new P6iW coming back again, but that is at least a year away. I'd say call Nyall/Chuck and ask for the numbers in terms of availability and $$$
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Hi Farsider,

Thanks for the kind words, and yes, we do try to be available to our customers as much as possible, we are in this for the fun of great audio and home cinema to begin with, so happy to share the experience.

In your 350ft/sq room, (23 x 15 ish?) the P8 will do very well indeed. You are working with Nyall, so you will have decent room acoustics, which is key. Too much EQ in the processor (more than +/- 3dB at any frequency) is never a good thing, so try to avoid that, and room acoustics is key for this.

The P6V is identical to the previous one, it only got a cosmetic make-over. The P6/P6V has in fact NEVER been changed (drivers/electronics) since we first launched it, it was born perfect

Of course Nyall/Chuck are right: the P5/P5iW will be fine for your room, we used the P5 in a similar sized room as yours at our very(!) successful #ISE2017 demo room in Amsterdam just a few short weeks ago. So no issues there. (See photos on our FB page)

BUT... If Chuck still has the P6iW in stock, you may want to upgrade: yes lower crossover, yes identical voice/loudspeaker in all surrounds and Atmos, that would all be very nice. Chasing the last 5% here, but that is where the fun is. It all depends on what Chuck has available in terms of units, they are running out. At some point we will have a new P6iW coming back again, but that is at least a year away. I'd say call Nyall/Chuck and ask for the numbers in terms of availability and $$$
Gerben,

I placed an order for the P5iw with Nyal today. Thanks for your response. I will post some photos of my room build with some closeups of the P5v and P5iw very soon.

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What brand(s) of diffusion panels are you using in your room? And what are the ones on the rear wall specifically if you don't mind?

I really like the all white look and thinking about doing the same in our living room as it will look extremely clean like yours.

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Sry for late responce.

All diffusors on the back wall except the two above the projektor comes from a Swedish Company called "SMT"

The panels surrounds my Procella P5 is called "AD20" and the ones in the middle and ceiling are 60x60cm "Wings"

SMT are sold in the US by http://www.accurateconstructionchicago.com/SMT

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Anybody know anything about a new speaker on the Cards from Procella, called the P860?

Apparently is an Active design with 6 x 10" Bass drivers, 2 x 8" Mids and a Tweeter?
I just installed and calibrated a system with P860's up front. Client had P815's originally, and upgraded to the P860.

You can follow the whole build thread here Another Erskine-designed masterpiece (if I don't screw it up).

or skip to the last two pages for the recent upgrades.

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Procella P8 in baffle wall

Built my baffle wall (per Nyal Mellor design) and wow do the Procella P8s rock. The baffle wall made a huge difference and these speakers are incredibly dynamic. The pic below is a closeup of one of the P8s in its final resting place. Now I just have to finish the fabric track blocking, install the fabric, install the screen, install the P5iw when they come in... wow now I feel further away from completing this upgrade after I see it on paper. And that does not include all the calibration Nyal has to do.
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Are you putting some absorption on the face of the baffle wall ?

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Built my baffle wall (per Nyal Mellor design) and wow do the Procella P8s rock. The baffle wall made a huge difference and these speakers are incredibly dynamic. The pic below is a closeup of one of the P8s in its final resting place. Now I just have to finish the fabric track blocking, install the fabric, install the screen, install the P5iw when the come in... wow now I feel further away from completing this upgrade after I see it on paper. And that does not include all the calibration Nyal has to do.
Your positioning of the P8 into the baffle wall looks very good, nice and tidy, good tight fit. This is the Centre speaker? L/R should be toed in towards the furthest away seat / centre seat (usually the same angle). You are now playing at: Maximum SPL In baffle wall: 122dB continuous, 126dB peak! http://procellaspeakers.com/products/loudspeakers/#p8

Will there be absorber material all around the L/C/R, behind the screen?
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Your positioning of the P8 into the baffle wall looks very good, nice and tidy, good tight fit. This is the Centre speaker? L/R should be toed in towards the furthest away seat / centre seat (usually the same angle). You are now playing at: Maximum SPL In baffle wall: 122dB continuous, 126dB peak! http://procellaspeakers.com/products/loudspeakers/#p8

Will there be absorber material all around the L/C/R, behind the screen?
Thanks! That took a lot of work. Each piece of MDF has green glue between any joining layer. Each screwed together.

Yes Nyal has designed in 1" Auralex Sonofiber which I own but have not installed. That will happen this weekend. 14" of insulation is behind the wall as well. See image of Sonofiber below.
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Are you putting some absorption on the face of the baffle wall ?

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Hi Peter. Yes we are using Sonofiber. See pic in my reply to Gerben above.

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The pic below is a closeup of one of the P8s in its final resting place.


What is the foam you are using around the perimeter of the speaker? It doesn't look like the Sonofiber.
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The foam around the speaker is Auralex platfoam:
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I've had mine for about a year and a half. I'm very happy with them.
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I've had mine for about a year and a half. I'm very happy with them.
Nice looking room. Can I ask what type of screen you are using? It appears that there is a black metal border where the fabric ends. Does the screen attach to this in some way?

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Thanks. That's a Stewart frame positioned in place. To install the screen, the frame is removed, the screen material then snapped onto the frame.

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My screen wall is slowly progressing. I installed the Sonofiber acoustic "panels" on the screen wall and installed the blocking for the Seymour screen mount.

I need to take some pics with my wide angle lenses to make my room look bigger .

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Hi guys,

I'm making my way through this thread as I'm seriously considering Procella for a casual-seating home theatre in a spare room (it used to be a balcony, then a gym ...).

I recently heard a dedicated theatre with P815 as LCR, P6 surrounds and P5iW for Atmos and it was very cinematic...

Am i correct in assuming that one can upgrade from a P6 for LCR to a P610 based set up by acquiring an additional P10si module per channel and adding dedicated amplification & processing?

I want to start out with P6s for LCR as my listening distence is short (approx 9ft - 2.8 metres), but keep the system flexible enough for upgrades / room reconfiguration.
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Hi guys,

I'm making my way through this thread as I'm seriously considering Procella for a casual-seating home theatre in a spare room (it used to be a balcony, then a gym ...).

I recently heard a dedicated theatre with P815 as LCR, P6 surrounds and P5iW for Atmos and it was very cinematic...

Am i correct in assuming that one can upgrade from a P6 for LCR to a P610 based set up by acquiring an additional P10si module per channel and adding dedicated amplification & processing?

I want to start out with P6s for LCR as my listening distence is short (approx 9ft - 2.8 metres), but keep the system flexible enough for upgrades / room reconfiguration.
Yes you can do that. I did the same thing. P 10si has a bolt on top which is used to secure an L bracket which in turn you screw into the back of the P6.
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using stands for P6 surrounds?

Thanks @gamelover360 ... nice build threads by the way.

Another question guys (apologies if off topic, I'm new here and I'm not familiar with the forum ettiquette), but is it possible to place/mount the P6 or P6v on stands (for rear surrounds)?

I'm trying to see if I can get that past my interior designer
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Thanks @gamelover360 ... nice build threads by the way.

Another question guys (apologies if off topic, I'm new here and I'm not familiar with the forum ettiquette), but is it possible to place/mount the P6 or P6v on stands (for rear surrounds)?

I'm trying to see if I can get that past my interior designer
I don't see why not. They have some weight to them. You could surely figure out someway to secure them to the stand.
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Trigger pulled!

Ok... So I've just placed an order for a set of Procella speakers.

3x P6 for LCR, 2x P5 for surrounds and 2x P5iW for in-ceiling/atmos.

Very excited
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Ok... So I've just placed an order for a set of Procella speakers.

3x P6 for LCR, 2x P5 for surrounds and 2x P5iW for in-ceiling/atmos.

Very excited
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I didn't have the budget for 3x P610 (and amps), so I'll probably upgrade early next year by adding 3x P10si.

I'll update with photos when the speakers are delivered.
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Ok... So I've just placed an order for a set of Procella speakers.

3x P6 for LCR, 2x P5 for surrounds and 2x P5iW for in-ceiling/atmos.

Very excited
You will not be disappointed. I love my Procella speakers.
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Thanks @gamelover360 ... nice build threads by the way.

Another question guys (apologies if off topic, I'm new here and I'm not familiar with the forum ettiquette), but is it possible to place/mount the P6 or P6v on stands (for rear surrounds)?

I'm trying to see if I can get that past my interior designer
Just curious why you would want them on stands vs. mounting them and then hiding the speaker wire in the wall? Anything on stands has the chance to be knocked over and wall mounting would likely provide a cleaner look.
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Just curious why you would want them on stands vs. mounting them and then hiding the speaker wire in the wall? Anything on stands has the chance to be knocked over and wall mounting would likely provide a cleaner look.
I really like the way the P6v and the P5v look on-wall, but I was uncertain about the exact position of the rear speakers and wanted the flexibility of making adjustments.

Also, my room is made from cinderblock so running cables is a lot of messy work and construction. I've already had this done for the front baffle wall speakers and for the in-ceiling speakers,

I do think I will end up wall-mounting them, but on some type of flexible bracket, like these from Multibracket as an example...

http://www.multibrackets.com/7310.shtml

I ended up getting P5 for the rears so it should work nicely as the only exposed speakers.

Finishing my room has been delayed, so maybe I'll get the chance to run wire in-wall afterall. Thanks for the tip.
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I too love my Procella speakers. I demo'd many different speakers and setups before choosing Procella. I needed a high performance theater specific speaker with compression drivers in a small form-factor. For my needs, these were the best by a mile.

You will definitely love your Procellas!
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