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Is there a place within driving range of Houston where I can audition the P6 and P5 speakers?
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P5, P12, and in-wall P6!!!!!

"The P5 sounds just like the P6! In blind tests in Sweden, experienced Procella customers who own P6 themselves could not tell the difference with the P5, until we turned on the lights in the demo room and they saw the P5! The P5 is ideal as L/C/R/Surr for small home cinemas and living rooms, or as Surround in medium rooms, in combination with P6, P8 or P610.

The P5 is a high resolution capable loudspeaker, capable of 113dB peak SPL when Freestanding(!), TWICE AS LOUD as any dome-tweeter loudspeaker. Make no mistake, this is a little champion, that will deliver true Blu-ray Disc quality audio to living rooms and small home cinemas. This is a true Procella loudspeaker!

The P12 rocks! It sounds just as good as the P10, but it is a lot cheaper! We have developed a brand new amplifier for the P12 and we are very proud of that amp! It sounds great! The P12 driver is also brand new developed and with the compact and pleasant looking cabinet, we are sure this will be a great success!

All driver are manufactured in Italy. The amplifier and enclosures are manufactured in China. All design and assembly is done in Sweden, in the Procella Audio factory."
We also gave visitors a sneak peek at two new products that will become available in early 2014.


The P6iW is Procella's first in-wall speaker, and by every measure gives full P6 performance. With a newly designed circular waveguide, the speaker is equally at home whether oriented horizontally, vertically or in a ceiling!

http://www.procella.citymax.com/f/P5...Sheet_v1.0.pdf

http://www.procella.citymax.com/f/P1...Sheet_v1.0.pdf

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I have also demoed both the P5 and the P6 ( inn the same room ) and there is a sonic difference. The P5 is a very smooth sounding speaker. More warmth sounding speaker than the P6. The P6 have a more crisp and dry sound...more neutral sound. with better dynamic and attack.
I think that the P5 is very good value , with few compotitions.
But i think that , if P6 have enough SPL for a given size room. it is to my ears unbeateble.
I was not the only one that had that opinion , when it was demoed.

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i have to comment on this.
I have also demoed both the P5 and the P6 ( inn the same room ) and there is a sonic difference. The P5 is a very smooth sounding speaker. More warmth sounding speaker than the P6. The P6 have a more crisp and dry sound...more neutral sound. with better dynamic and attack.
I think that the P5 is very good value , with few compotitions.
But i think that , if P6 have enough SPL for a given size room. it is to my ears unbeateble.
I was not the only one that had that opinion , when it was demoed.
I think you bring up a good point, and that is when choosing a speaker that you take into account your seating distance and the overall volume of the room. Procella has a great guide that is a part of their installation handbook. I think the P5 would be a great choice for a living room/TV set up or for a very small home theater. Of course budget considerations always play a role, and I think it's fantastic that Procella offers a high-quality speaker at a lower price point. In my situation I moved to a new house and the new home theater was much bigger than my previous. My choice to upgrade the P6 to a P610 is one I'm very happy with, as the impact and experience even exceeds the P6 in my previous smaller home theater.
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I'm in the process of choosing speakers for a 23ft long x 12 ft wide room.

3 P8s for front LCR seem about right.

Would 4 P5s be adequate for sides and rears? As the room is 12ft wide, would P6s be overkill?

If P5s are up to it, it will leave more cash for bass !

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I'm in the process of choosing speakers for a 23ft long x 12 ft wide room.

3 P8s for front LCR seem about right.

Would 4 P5s be adequate for sides and rears? As the room is 12ft wide, would P6s be overkill?

If P5s are up to it, it will leave more cash for bass !
P5s would be more than up to the task. Do you have a build thread? Any pics?
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P5s would be more than up to the task. Do you have a build thread? Any pics?
Not yet, just planning and budgeting at the moment - thread will follow though.....

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P5s would be more than up to the task. Do you have a build thread? Any pics?
^ What TMcG said. You are spot-on for your room size: P8 for L/C/R, P5 for all your surrounds, perfect. The next best upgrade is a DA-2800DSP amp: the power of this amplifier will really make your P8 perform much better than when using a AV receiver. Use the fourth channel to drive a P15-FP!
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The P8 is 8 Ohms with 92dB efficiency. Using an expensive, high-powered amp is just a waste of money in standard-sized home theaters. Unused power is "left on the table." It does nothing to help audio quality at standard listening levels.

If having such an amp makes you feel better, though, that's reason enough to get one. Entertainment systems are just that: they're meant to entertain you.

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FYI--There is a brand new revision of the Procella design guide out.

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FYI--There is a brand new revision of the Procella design guide out.
Where would that be available?

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Dolby Atmos 11.4.6. All measurements are millimetres of course. We are flying out this weekend to Amsterdam for the ISE'15 show. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter for the latest photos and video news, showing the booth build-up, the calibration, etc. We will upload as we go!

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Dolby Atmos 11.4.6. All measurements are millimetres of course. We are flying out this weekend to Amsterdam for the ISE'15 show. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter for the latest photos and video news, showing the booth build-up, the calibration, etc. We will upload as we go!
Electronics used will be the Trinnov Altitude 32, same as we used at CEDIA'14, but with new S/W and new 3D audio formats???

http://www.trinnov.com/tri_news/trin...s-at-ise-2015/


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Where would that be available?
Download from our website (new website very soon now!)
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Where would that be available?
HERE is a direct link to the PDF. Enjoy!
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HERE is a direct link to the PDF. Enjoy!

I printed it out actually - good guide. need to add the P5s in though !

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Sorry, latest version of the Handbook is here: PDF 4.9Mb
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wow i just replacer my fronts RTi4 with RTI8 towers, and its the biggest positive différence ever.
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Sorry, latest version of the Handbook is here: PDF 4.9Mb

Thanks Gerben. I'll have to print it all again now !

Barry came back to me btw, and I'm talking to a dealer in the UK now.

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I'm pretty much aiming for the following now:

3 x P8 for LCR
4 x P5s for Sides and rears
1 x P15 ( with another to follow)
4 x Def Tech DI 6.5s for Atmos

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I'm pretty much aiming for the following now:

3 x P8 for LCR
4 x P5s for Sides and rears
1 x P15 ( with another to follow)
4 x Def Tech DI 6.5s for Atmos
You had me right up until the end.....

It's well-known to try and have similar voices (timbre) in a high-quality theater system and a case could also be made that it's OK to use different LCRs from the rest of the speakers. But it is a major 'no-no' to mix different speaker types - in this case the constant directivity waveguide with compression driver of the Procellas vs. the dome tweeter of the Definitive speakers. You are much better off going with a set of P6iw or more P5s unless budget is a factor today and the Definitives are just temporary place holders for the matching Procellas in the future.

Just my two cents, of course.
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You had me right up until the end.....

It's well-known to try and have similar voices (timbre) in a high-quality theater system and a case could also be made that it's OK to use different LCRs from the rest of the speakers. But it is a major 'no-no' to mix different speaker types - in this case the constant directivity waveguide with compression driver of the Procellas vs. the dome tweeter of the Definitive speakers. You are much better off going with a set of P6iw or more P5s unless budget is a factor today and the Definitives are just temporary place holders for the matching Procellas in the future.

Just my two cents, of course.
I don't disagree.

I guess from reading the white papers and install manuals, the P5s seem perfect for the sides and rears for my size of room. I would prefer to use in ceilings or in walls for overheads, I'm not keen on boxes bolted to the ceiling.

Seeing as only P6 inwalls exist, it would seem wrong for me to have better speakers as overheads than as sides and rears. If P5 inwalls existed, it would be perfect.

Im also assuming that from what Ive read about Atmos so far, that the overhead effects are pretty subtle? So that there wouldn't be any high SPL needs on the overheads? I could be a mile off here. As you say though, at worst, it gets me off the ground, and who knows, maybe P5 inwalls will follow for Atmost duties from procella? Gerben? Over to you
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The P6iw can also be mounted in the ceiling and is what I plan to use for my Atmos speakers.

Maybe they should be renamed the P6icw!
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The P6iw can also be mounted in the ceiling and is what I plan to use for my Atmos speakers.

Maybe they should be renamed the P6icw!
Ah yeah, but doesn't it seem wrong for me to use 6s in ceiling as I will have 5s for sides?

Id have to upgrade 4 5s to 6s and the Def Techs to 6s too, yikes, budget stretched again !

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Ah yeah, but doesn't it seem wrong for me to use 6s in ceiling as I will have 5s for sides?

Id have to upgrade 4 5s to 6s and the Def Techs to 6s too, yikes, budget stretched again !
All the Procellas are voiced the same so you can easily mix and match. No need to move up to the P6s from the P5s for the surrounds. The only budget stretch would be from the Def Techs to the P6iw.
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All the Procellas are voiced the same so you can easily mix and match. No need to move up to the P6s from the P5s for the surrounds. The only budget stretch would be from the Def Techs to the P6iw.
Over here, that would be €5,000 extra though......

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Over here, that would be €5,000 extra though......
Somehow I find it very, very easy to spend your money....

All kidding aside, that is quite a difference. I suppose you could look at it another way - there aren't many Atmos titles available or announced as of yet and most of the titles aren't exactly great, so you could easily postpone the Procella Atmos until down the road and not miss much for discrete material.

I'm showing four of the Definitive Technology speakers for the equivalent of €671 delivered at a 1.13 exchange rate. Is that what you are showing in Ireland?
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Somehow I find it very, very easy to spend your money....

All kidding aside, that is quite a difference. I suppose you could look at it another way - there aren't many Atmos titles available or announced as of yet and most of the titles aren't exactly great, so you could easily postpone the Procella Atmos until down the road and not miss much for discrete material.

I'm showing four of the Definitive Technology speakers for the equivalent of €671 delivered at a 1.13 exchange rate. Is that what you are showing in Ireland?
I love spending others money too !

Everything is more expensive here - ex Uk where Id buy them, the Def techs are £1160 pounds sterling per pair !Say €1300.00 per pair approx.

Yeah, will be interesting to see will DTS:X take off fast. This is a transition year, projectors, blurry, HDCP, HDMI 2.2, all that, thats why yeah, get the base long term components right first, thats important.

If you keep at me, I will have P6s all round !

Oh and a P6 here is £1450 sterling......

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the Def techs are £1160 pounds sterling per pair !Say €1300.00 per pair approx.


Wow, €671 for two pairs here vs. €2600 Euro where you were at. I should seriously have these delivered to me and bring them along in my luggage on my next trip to Galway. You'd have to buy the first round of pints for the effort, though!
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Wow, €671 for two pairs here vs. €2600 Euro where you were at. I should seriously have these delivered to me and bring them along in my luggage on my next trip to Galway. You'd have to buy the first round of pints for the effort, though!
Doh at my end - the Def Techs are £580.00 per pair, £1160 for four then. Still a big difference .

I'm in Donegal, often in Galway myself, sister lives there. Id take that deal!

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^ What TMcG said. You are spot-on for your room size: P8 for L/C/R, P5 for all your surrounds, perfect. The next best upgrade is a DA-2800DSP amp: the power of this amplifier will really make your P8 perform much better than when using a AV receiver. Use the fourth channel to drive a P15-FP!
1 x 700w sounds pretty anemic for a dual 15 in such a small box. Is 700w really enough to get the woofers to Xmax?

You claim it will do 125 db @ 50 Hz but that doesent seem to add up with the quoted power. Do you factor in 1 or 2 boundaries in that calculation or have you measured in room response or... ?

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