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Since you're going to be using a sub anyway, take a look at Electro-Voice ZX1's. I picked a pair($500) for use as surrounds and I tried them out as mains just out of curiosity and they sounded pretty good. Much better than the $500 price tag would have you believe. I realize they're pro audio speakers but don't let that scare you away. If anything it means they have the durability you're looking for.
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The Sierra's got a lot of votes and I must say the reviews look impressive. Let's say I go with them. Would the Outlaw M8 sub be a good match?

I had a LFM-1 Plus with the Sierra-1s but then replaced it with a Rythmik F12SE. The F12SE is a sealed sub and sounds much better with music than the LFM-1. Sealed subs are known to be better with music than ported subs. I would suggest waiting on buying a sub till your budget allows for a better sub.

You could take a look at subs from Rythmik or Epik although I'm sure there are other great choices as well. I have not heard any Epik subs but they seem to get very good owner reviews here on AVS. The Epic Legend is a sealed sub that looks to be fairly small in size and at a very good price.

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The topend of the 340s and 170s are similar...although I think the 340's may still have a bit more treble..I have not compared the two in a while. The 340's definitely have more bass and mid-bass information giving them more body....due to the size of the cabinet and two-woofers.

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sealed subs are known to be better with music than ported subs. I would suggest waiting on buying a sub till your budget allows for a better sub.

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The Sierra's got a lot of votes and I must say the reviews look impressive. Let's say I go with them. Would the Outlaw M8 sub be a good match?

The subwoofer needs to be matched to the size of the room. I'd contact Hsu and and Rythmik and have them size a subwoofer to the room. If you're going 100% sealed can be a really nice way to go but if you're going to use them with movies at all I prefer vented because they hit harder down low.
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Also take a look at SVS subs. I have Sierras in a small 2.1 music room with an SVS SB12-NSD and it sounds excellent.

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I recently went through a similar search. I ended up with Paradigm Studio 10's, but was also interested in PSB Imagine B's, Era D5's, and even Wharfedale Evo2-8's.

If you look at pictures of each you'll see something in common -- rounded cabinets. I really wanted something other than a "box", which is why I didn't consider Sierras or other highly-regarded speakers in this price range.

I picked the Paradigms for a couple reasons, first and foremost being they were the only ones I could actually audition! Secondly, I knew I could grow my system with Paradigm -- in other words, I'll always be able to find a matching center and another set of 10's for surrounds sometime down the road (whereas with the smaller brands, you can't be so sure). Third, they simply sound amazing and finally, they're a flat-out gorgeous speaker...

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OK - it's been several months since the last 'best bookshelf for $xxx" thread and I did read some of the more recent posts. Hope some of you will help me out. I am putting together a new 2.1 system in my basement as follows: Outlaw Audio RR2150 Receiver, sub, and pair of bookshelf speakers. I need some suggestions on the bookshelf speakers. Prefer to put my money towards sound versus asthetics so don't care about the cabinets - flat black is fine. My first priority is accurate music reproduction but I will also want them to play loud occassionaly. Lastly this will be a family system so I want something durable in case my kids really crank it(which they will do).

"Cranking" will be an issue with about any speaker. Unless you consider PA speakers. Here is a good deal on a pair of Revel M22 speakers.
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I really like the B&W 685's in your price range.
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I have a pair of B&W 601's circa 2000. Can anyone compare the differences I can expect to hear between these and a new Sierra pair?
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I have a pair of B&W 601's circa 2000. Can anyone compare the differences I can expect to hear between these and a new Sierra pair?

No better way than to just dive in and order the Sierras. Then you can do your own side by side comparison in your room. Everyones comparisons, opinions and listening tastes will be different.

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I have a pair of B&W 601's circa 2000. Can anyone compare the differences I can expect to hear between these and a new Sierra pair?

I had a pair of B&W 602's from about the same time. Gold colored tweeters w/lens, yellow woven Kevlar woofers, front ported. The sound was typical, in your face British. Those metal domes caused ear fatigue.

I bought a pair of original CBM-170's to compare. The 602's were sold.

The 170's imaged better, and were not harsh on my ears. More midrange detail came through. They could not play as loud, but with a sub they could play louder than I needed.

The Sierra-1 replaced the 170's. They are in a different league. They have greater resolving ability, letting minute details through. The bass digs very deep and is detailed. The highs are detailed but never harsh. The bamboo cabinet is rock solid. Imaging is excellent.

The NrT upgrade, including the Neo Ring tweeter and new crossover, ups the ante. The midrange is brought forward a bit with even greater body & detail. The highs have greater ""air" and extend way up. The tweeter does not compress and sounds more dynamic, with more energy. It surprises me sometimes how much treble punch is there, even at lower volumes.

Basically, you are moving out of the budget bookshelf speaker category going from the 601's to Sierra's.
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OK - Sierra's it is - ordered today. I guess I should head over to the sub forum for some advice on the sub. Thanks all for a great discussion.
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OK - Sierra's it is - ordered today. I guess I should head over to the sub forum for some advice on the sub. Thanks all for a great discussion.
Nice, congratulations. FYI-Ascend is partnered with Rythmik and you get a discount if ordering a sub with the Sierras. Just throwing it out there...

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I'll Throw a wildcard in and recommend the Jamo C803 Bookshelfs. They are warm yet very detailed and can be cranked without EVER sounding fatiguing. They perform like mini tower speakers yet have great imaging like proper bookshelfs should. They are also very beautiful and can be had for a bit under $800.

http://www.jamo.com/na-en/products/c-803-description/

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I'll Throw a wildcard in and recommend the Jamo C803 Bookshelfs. They are warm yet very detailed and can be cranked without EVER sounding fatiguing. They perform like mini tower speakers yet have great imaging like proper bookshelfs should. They are also very beautiful and can be had for a bit under $800.

http://www.jamo.com/na-en/products/c-803-description/

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Nice looking speaker, they have been selling on Audigon (new) for $450, shipping included, a couple of pairs sold this week. Here is an active listing.
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Nice looking speaker, they have been selling on Audigon (new) for $450, shipping included, a couple of pairs sold this week. Here is an active listing.

At that price they are an absolute steal. I paid about $750 far a pair of C803's and the C80cen center channel. I will have to reference that link in the future. I must say that price truly undercuts the quality of that speaker

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At that price they are an absolute steal. I paid about $750 far a pair of C803's and the C80cen center channel. I will have to reference that link in the future. I must say that price truly undercuts the quality of that speaker

Nice Find
Now at $400
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Wow, 87 db sensitivity and 6 ohms: really does need "big boy amp!"

But with its max input power of 125 watts, that's 98 db spl at 10 feet.

Seems more suitable for music than reference theater.
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Yeah, not the most efficient but when given power, they can go LOUD and clear for HT. I run mine with a 200wpc external amp and they sing and never distort or sound harsh
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i'm considering giving those jamos a listen. couple of questions: does anyone know how they would compare with the infinity primus? i currently have primus 360's. also, my receiver is a denon 1610 rated at 75 wpc. will it be able to drive the jamos?
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i'm considering giving those jamos a listen. couple of questions: does anyone know how they would compare with the infinity primus? i currently have primus 360's. also, my receiver is a denon 1610 rated at 75 wpc. will it be able to drive the jamos?

The 1610 should drive the C803s adequately at moderate listening levels. Higher levels may be a challenge. Seems like a high current 100W+ 2CH amp would be a better choice. Go to the Jamo owners thread to see what others are using to drive C803s.

Wish I had listening experience with the C803s. I've owned Primus 360s some time ago. They were a rather unremarkable speaker. On paper, the C803s should be musically quite an improvement. Maybe you'll find a comparison in the Jamo thread also. Send a PM to kesando as he owns the C803s.
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Yeah, not the most efficient but when given power, they can go LOUD and clear for HT. I run mine with a 200wpc external amp and they sing and never distort or sound harsh

Just so I know what you mean by 'power,' and 'loud,' what sort of SPL do you get from them? Do you listen near reference?
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Just so I know what you mean by 'power,' and 'loud,' what sort of SPL do you get from them? Do you listen near reference?

I have played them at reference with movies and near reference with music. They have never sounded harsh with vocals, instruments or movie sound effects. They are a bit warm compared to say Klipsh or paradigm at low volume but open up at louder volumes.

I'm running them through an ELITE VSX33 AVR and emotiva XPA 3 giving them about 250 per channel at 6ohm. Half the power would be enough though. Auto calibration has the C803s at -4.5 and crossed at 80hz set to small. They can be ran large and can play down to 50-60hz though I wouldn't push them to reference set that way. My dual SVS's hande the bottom end just fine.
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Just so I know what you mean by 'power,' and 'loud,' what sort of SPL do you get from them? Do you listen near reference?

Judging by its specs, it doesn't seem to capable of reproducing reference levels beyond about 5'. And that's taking its 250 short term max power rating into account with no power compression(which isn't possible for any speaker).
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Judging by its specs, it doesn't seem to capable of reproducing reference levels beyond about 5'. And that's taking its 250 short term max power rating into account with no power compression(which isn't possible for any speaker).

could be possible. I sit about 7 feet from them in a 2500 cu ft living area (1 bedroom apt). I suspect the C805-809 would be better for larger areas or a farther distance over 10ft.
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