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ok, 10 -12 K budget for everything (speakers, subs, AVR/amp)

here are the specs/limitations for the room/set up:

1) 5.1 setup
2) use: 80% watching TV movies/20% music
3) room is large (8000 cubic feet)
4) front left and right have to be bookshelves
5) rears have to be ceiling (in-ceiling, possibly could hang from the ceiling)
6) 2 zone (5.1 setup for the above room and 2nd zone with 2 ceiling speakers for outdoor patio)

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5 Dynaudio Contour S1.4 speakers= 8k
2 SVS or HSU subwoofers = 2k
And spend the remaining 2k on your choice of AVR or used separates.
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Speakers-All JBL Pro gear
3 JBL 4722N
2 JBL 8350
Subwoofers-A couple of seaton submersives.


Take the rest of the money hire a contractor to build the bookshelves around the speakers and subs.


any simple $500 amp should be sufficient with that.
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I would check back here
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For $12k I would buy 150 Infinity Primus P152s and 10 Lava subs. Worlds first 150.10 system!
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thanks for the links. being a newbie, just wanted to be sure if someone agreed with what i was doing as spending that amount of money without actually listening to the speakers (JTRs) is pretty risky/intimidating. also just wanted to take one last look at other options before i took the plunge
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thanks for the links. being a newbie, just wanted to be sure if someone agreed with what i was doing as spending that amount of money without actually listening to the speakers (JTRs) is pretty risky/intimidating. also just wanted to take one last look at other options before i took the plunge

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thanks for the links. being a newbie, just wanted to be sure if someone agreed with what i was doing as spending that amount of money without actually listening to the speakers (JTRs) is pretty risky/intimidating. also just wanted to take one last look at other options before i took the plunge

I'm gonna take a different approach. As an admitted newbie I just don't think you need to spend that much money. As a newbie will you be able to tell the difference between a $6,000 system and a $12,000 system?

Then again, it's your money so why should anyone tell you what to do with it it. $12K to you could be a drop in the bucket. I say spend half and put the rest in the bank. Or put it towards educations for your kids or their kids. Or strippers.

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I'm in agreement with Holt. I just added up my electronics (all of it, down to the PS3) to be roughly $8k. Speakers are from the used and DIY market. A newbie (or anyone for that matter) would be absolutely stunned at what $8k can sound like. I wouldn't spend more than 8k on electronics and use the other 4k for improvements to the room, including new cabinets to accomodate large from speakers and acoustical treatments. Your current requirements are going to be very tough to meet otherwise. 8000 cubic feet and bookshelves are a tough order.

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Klipsch speakers are great for a large room. For a room like that I would go with a Klipsch set, RB-81 fronts, RC-64 center, and a couple of their higher-end in-ceiling speakers, they have a lot to choose from there. For the patio, I would get an outdoor speaker, as those are designed to handle the changes in temperature and humidity. For the subwoofers I would go with a couple Seaton Submersive HPs or a couple Funkywave 18.0 subs. A Hsu Research ULS-15 quad drive would be good as well. For a receiver, I would go with the Onkyo TX-sr3008 or 5008, to get their Audyssey multiEQ 32XT, with their sub EQing system, which is supposed to be really good. Adding that up: speakers- 3k, subs- 4.5 to 6k, receiver- 1.5 to 2.5k, so a system like that can be had from 9k to 11.5k total, depending on what parts you select. That gives you a powerful but aesthetically tasteful system puts you right in your targeted budget range, with a bit left over for stuff like wires, cables, mounts, etc (those things can add up though).
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What are your actual room dimensions? Is it 25x25x12?

Why do you prefer bookshelfs in that large of a room?

Id suggest that if you do want a bookshelf setup, that you go with a 7 speaker setup.

Id say get an Integra DHC-40.2 Pre-pro, $1200
add a Parasound A52 5 ch amp, and a A23 2 ch amp - $2250 and $950
Dynaudio Focus 140 bookshelf fronts - $2100
Focus 110 surrounds - $1600
Focus 220C center - $1200
Audience 42 Sat surround backs - $1100
Dual Hsu Research VTF-15H - $1758

That would put you near $12000 and if you get 10-15% off the speakers, amps and pre-pro you would be set, and you could probably ask for the dealer to throw in some speaker wire and interconnects, or use the 10-15% that you saved to get the cables or better cables.

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just the way the room is set up, floorstanders are not an option and 5.1 is really the only option as well. WAF plays a role in this

room is 20x25 ft with 16 ft high ceilings
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then Id go this route

Id say get an

Integra DHC-40.2 Pre-pro, $1200
add a Parasound A52 5 ch amp, $2250
Dynaudio Focus 140 bookshelf fronts - $2100
Focus 140 surrounds - $2100
Focus 220C center - $1200
Dual Hsu Research VTF-15H - $1758



Or
Dali Ikon 2 aprox $1200
Dali Ikon 2 surrounds or Ikon on wall - $1100-1200
Dali Vokal 2 $750
Integra DTR-70.2 $2000
Hsu VTF-15H x2 $1758

Or
Monitor Audio RX2 $850
Monitor Audio RXLCR $675
Monitor Audio RXFX $750
Integra DTR-70.2 $2000
Hsu Research VTF-15H x2 $1758

The Dynaudio soundstage will have better bass and more accurate sound.

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I am surprised that no one asked what type of display you're using.

What are you using for a display? Is there a cabinet to deal with?
Are you using the whole room? Is the room used for anything else?
Are the wires run for the rears? The patio? Are you going to install it yourself?
What speaker brands are available to you? Or in your area?

Throwing out willy nilly suggestions without more info isn't doing you any good.
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Jamo D600 THX Ultra 2 (3 LCRS , 2 Surs & 2 Subs) 4500$-5000$
Denon 4311 1500$
Emotiva XPA-5 900$
Cables 600$ (Wireworld , Van Den Hul, Kimber Kable or QED)
SI Black Diamond 113'' around 3k
Panasonic PT-AE4000 Projector 2k

Thats 12-13k
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Onkyo PR-SC5508 (9.1, XT32, DSX, 3D)
Emotiva UPA-7 (in case you go 7.1 add a UPA-2 for 9.1)
JTR Single 8's (3, solid 80hz-20khz)
JTR Slanted 8's (2-4, solid 80hz-20khz)
Rythmik FV25 (14hz-80hz solid performer w/servo tech)
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AVR/Amp - Emotiva UMC-1/XPA-5

Sub - SVS PB12 plus x 2

LCR - Paradigm Studio 20, CC-590

Surround - ADP-590

Zone 2 ceiling spkrs - B & W CCM7.3

That will fit within your budget.

I'm building an HT system in my basement now, room slightly smaller than yours and some of these will be in my system. I'm still 60% 2-channel, a shame with your budget and room size you must go with book shelf speakers...S60s would be my real choice for L/R.
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Studio 20's in 8000cf will sound like a clock radio trying too hard. Even S60's or S100's will not do a proper theater for that space.

This is a frustrating combination of requirements for sure. You've got more budget than you need, but are stuck to bookshelves. And did you comment on subs? What restrictions do you have there? Again, 8000cf will take all but the most capable subs and chew them up and spit them out.

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So, for LFE, buy sub(s) as budget allows but try for one nearfield, and try Buttkickers for tactile response since he won't pressurize the room.
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LOLOLOLOL!

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***Even S60's or S100's will not do a proper theater for that space***

You're right, I just did the math on my room and "slightly smaller" is way off, my room is 3060 cu ft and that's about the same as the demo room I've heard the 60s
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Start looking at these companies:

http://www.chasehometheater.com/

http://jtrspeakers.com/


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I have them listed in order of cost. They all make both speakers and subs that should do the job for you.

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the way my room is setup is unconventional. front wall where 58 inch panasonic 3d plasma sits is made up of shelves on top and drawers on the bottom so thats why no floorstanders.

the rears have to be ceilings (in-ceiling but I am trying to talk my wife into letting me at least hang speakers from the ceiling). the home is already prewired for the ceilings. I am having somebody professionally install the speakers and do the wiring.

the room is a great room and is not solely dedicated to just becoming a home theater. aesthetics will have to play a role (WAF)

i have posted many threads on many different subthreads (i.e subs, speakers, AVRs) and made this last thread before I made my final decision. I am leaning towards a JTR setup (single 8s for left and right, triple 8 for center, captivator for sub, denon 4311/emotiva for avr and amp, and possibly slanted 8s for the rears) but since they are internet direct , I am somewhat hesitant as I will have not listened to them and relying on everybody's recommendations on how great they are on this forum. if u think I should consider something else, please feel free to comment. already appreciate the prior recommendations.

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Check out swan's lines too, really prolific if you really want to go for the full 12k. I am attempting shortly a DIY design of the same songtower design for around 800 all in but if you are not the DIY type, these are still pretty special from everyone who has heard them

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I meant the SALK songtowers, but I have some swan diva 6.1's on the way to demo as well I know these are towers, but the swans and salks could definitely give you what you are looking for!

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mac, now that I see which way you're leaning, I'll change my tune. That system would do a good job for you! Not outstanding, but better than any other solution mentioned here.

If the wiring is the reason to go in the ceiling, it is pretty easy for a professional to move the wire to another location. If the wife would accept rear wall mount instead of ceiling. But I think a slant8 on the ceiling (color matched) would be pretty unobtrusive.

Depending on your expectations, you may decide on a second Captivator down the road.

I think you're headed in a good direction! (not that my endorsement means anything )

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mac, now that I see which way you're leaning, I'll change my tune. That system would do a good job for you! Not outstanding, but better than any other solution mentioned here.

If the wiring is the reason to go in the ceiling, it is pretty easy for a professional to move the wire to another location. If the wife would accept rear wall mount instead of ceiling. But I think a slant8 on the ceiling (color matched) would be pretty unobtrusive.

Depending on your expectations, you may decide on a second Captivator down the road.

I think you're headed in a good direction! (not that my endorsement means anything )

I'd agree that Slanted 8s would be pretty obtrusive in a regular room but his ceilings are 16' so I think there's less of a chance they'd pose a problem. Also, one Cap may be plenty for him. Not everyone is a bass junkie like us.

Actual in-ceilings I say to consider are Tannoy CMS801s. They're $400 each(so not too expensive), have 100degree coverage, and 92db w/ 1w. If wanting to spend a little more on the surrounds then I'd say take a look at Klipsch KS-7502s(1000each).
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If you wanted yo use in-ceiling speakers, I would look at the JBL Pro Control 328c speakers which use a coaxial speaker with a compression horn similiar to the units found in the JTR speakers.
http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/genera...?PId=217&MId=2

But I agree that the selection would be a fine choice seeing the reviews from members here.
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