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I'm a newbie to HT and desparately need advice to set up a HT system in a 2-story family room (sorry, I know it's not ideal location).

Will be my first HT system
Budget: receiver+7.1 speakers under 1k or a little over
80% home theatre (movies/fios TV) and 20% music (mostly pop, new age and rock, may expand to classic in the longrun)

Room:
2-story family room (20ft*15ft with a 20ft ceiling), TV (Sony 60NX810) sits in the middle of the longer wall (20ft) backing to a stair to the 2nd floor, viewing/listening distance from the combination sofa is about 12 feet, leaving 3 feet between the back of the sofa and the back wall of windows. Left of the room opens to the kitchen with a 4-feet wall, right of the room is the 2-story wall with a fireplace.

My questions:
1. Would like to go with a 7.1 system because the floorplan. Would a 7.1 be much better than 5.1 for my situation?

2. Pretty much set on a Denon receiver 1911 ($350) or 1611($300) - need 1.4a for 3D and sold on Audissey MultiEQ for convenience - Do I need 1911, will 1611 do the work?

3. Speakers (in descending order of money spent)
Option 1: Energy CF-30x2 ($250) + Energy CC10 ($200) + BIC F-12 ($200) + 4 SLS Q-line gold satelite 9 ($155)
Option 2: Polk monitor series (40x2+CS10+30x4) + BIC F-12
Option 3: 6 SLS Q-line satelite + SLS Q-line center + BIC F-12 ($199+$200)
Option 4: Pinnacle M8000 HTIB - $350

Question: Will I be better off to spend more to have a floorstanding speakers rather than SLS Q-line package, which apparently is a bargin for the price? Is the listening experience going to be significant different considering I'm using the system for HT most of time and having such a big open floor plan room?
If yes, will option 1 be better than option 2?
If not, which one you think is better between option 3 and 4?

Would appreciate any advice. Be kind, 1st post from a newbie. Thanks. :-)
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I'm a newbie to HT and desparately need advice to set up a HT system in a 2-story family room (sorry, I know it's not ideal location).

Will be my first HT system
Budget: receiver+7.1 speakers under 1k or a little over
80% home theatre (movies/fios TV) and 20% music (mostly pop, new age and rock, may expand to classic in the longrun)

Room:
2-story family room (20ft*15ft with a 20ft ceiling), TV (Sony 60NX810) sits in the middle of the longer wall (20ft) backing to a stair to the 2nd floor, viewing/listening distance from the combination sofa is about 12 feet, leaving 3 feet between the back of the sofa and the back wall of windows. Left of the room opens to the kitchen with a 4-feet wall, right of the room is the 2-story wall with a fireplace.

My questions:
1. Would like to go with a 7.1 system because the floorplan. Would a 7.1 be much better than 5.1 for my situation?

2. Pretty much set on a Denon receiver 1911 ($350) or 1611($300) - need 1.4a for 3D and sold on Audissey MultiEQ for convenience - Do I need 1911, will 1611 do the work?

3. Speakers (in descending order of money spent)
Option 1: Energy CF-30x2 ($250) + Energy CC10 ($200) + BIC F-12 ($200) + 4 SLS Q-line gold satelite 9 ($155)
Option 2: Polk monitor series (40x2+CS10+30x4) + BIC F-12
Option 3: 6 SLS Q-line satelite + SLS Q-line center + BIC F-12 ($199+$200)
Option 4: Pinnacle M8000 HTIB - $350

Question: Will I be better off to spend more to have a floorstanding speakers rather than SLS Q-line package, which apparently is a bargin for the price? Is the listening experience going to be significant different considering I'm using the system for HT most of time and having such a big open floor plan room?
If yes, will option 1 be better than option 2?
If not, which one you think is better between option 3 and 4?

Would appreciate any advice. Be kind, 1st post from a newbie. Thanks. :-)

I am not questioning your judgement, but why do you feel you absolutely need a 7.1 instead of 5.1 ?

Thanks
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Being a newbie, probably not thinking logically. I decided to have a 7.1 receiver just for flexibility then I figure out to start with a 7.1 setup is not that more expensive than 5.1. I know most of the movie soundtrack is not produced in 7.1. My question on this is will I have a better listening experience just having 2 more speakers in the 2-story room. Thanks. I hope this clarifies.
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Being a newbie, probably not thinking logically. I decided to have a 7.1 receiver just for flexibility then I figure out to start with a 7.1 setup is not that more expensive than 5.1. I know most of the movie soundtrack is not produced in 7.1. My question on this is will I have a better listening experience just having 2 more speakers in the 2-story room. Thanks. I hope this clarifies.
You have pretty large room volume going on here.

My thought is: you would be better off with larger fronts and a better sub than just two more surround speakers.

I could be wrong, I would value the input of other more experienced members.
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2. Pretty much set on a Denon receiver 1911 ($350)

3. Speakers (in descending order of money spent)
Option 1: Energy CF-30x2 ($250) + Energy CC10 ($200) + BIC F-12 ($200) + 4 SLS Q-line gold satelite 9 ($155)
I like this except the SLS speakers.

Denon AVR-1911

And for surrounds to go with the energy's I would suggest:
Energy CB-5's, $100 per pair
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You have pretty large room volume going on here.

My thought is: you would be better off with larger fronts and a better sub than just two more surround speakers.
Work on getting a good 3.1 system or 5.1 (depending on budget), and
build from there.

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So any good 5.1 you suggest to start with?
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How do the following Jamo package compare to my option 1 (Energy) and option 2 (Polk)? Would appreciate if you could share any prior experience with these speakers. Thanks.

Jamo S426HCS3 5pcs Speaker System & Denon AVR-1911 7.1 Ch A/V Receiver
http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.asp...CESAVR1911JAMO

Jamo S 606 HCS 3 speaker system (Dark Apple)
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...m?SSAID=389818
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Anyone? To simplify my questions:
Which of the following do you vote for a high-ceiling (20ft) great room setup, regardless of cost? And any general speaker advice for this room layout? Much appreciated.

All goes with a BIC F-12 sub and a Denon 1911 7.1 receiver

1: Energy setup: 2xCF-30 + CC10 + 2x CB-5
2. Polk monitor setup: 2x40's + CS10 + 2x30's
3: 6 SLS Q-line gold satellites + SLS Q-line gold center
4. Pinnacle M8000 HTIB
5. Jamo S426HCS3 5pcs Speaker System
6. Jamo S 606 HCS 3 speaker system
7. Pioneer C21/FS51/BS21
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bump.

Anyone can help? Thanks.
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What is your max budget?

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receiver + speakers around $1k, max $1.5k.
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The Energy speakers are the probably your best option. It'd be nice to go with some larger fronts for that room, but the CF30 should be perfectly fine (until you feel the upgrade bug! )

If you shop/wait around you can find good deals on the speakers...I know the CF70's were $200 each a few days ago and the CB-5 was $60 a pair for a short period as well.
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Just out of curiosity, what is the rest of your room like - besides the "3 feet between the back of the sofa and the back wall of windows"? Is the floor hardwood, tile, stone, or carpeted? Do you have anything on the walls, tapestries, painting, glass covered art prints, bare walls? Do you have leather furniture, or fabric? Basically, do you have lots of hard reflective surfaces in your room?

Does the 2nd story open up to other areas? Is this room part of an open floor plan? If you were to sit in your primary seat and clap your hands, do you hear an echo as if your were in a gym or a church? If so, you may really want to consider spending some time and money addressing the acoustic issues in your room too. Other than speakers, your room will have the greatest impact on how your system will sound. One other thing to consider is that your room, @ 15 x 20 x 20, is almost a cube which, acoustically, can be very challenging to deal with.

If I've described your situation and you don't address the acoustic issues that your room presents, your choice of speaker really won't make any difference.

Just some thoughts for a newbie!
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I realized my room has tons of reflective surface and is a nightmare to deal with. I will probably set up a separate HT or designated music room down the road. But for now, I have to live with it and try to figure out a way to have a decent setup to start - primarily for home theater and secondary for music (80%/20% ).

Here's some additional information for the room. Any advice how to address the acoustic issues are much appreciated.

All hardwood floor. A 10x8 area rug in the middle, leather combination sofa. Front wall has an entertainment center niche and back to stairs to 2nd floor. Back wall is 2-story wall of windows. Left wall is a half wall open to kitchen. Right wall has a fireplace with stones above all the way to ceiling. Pretty much nothing on the wall yet, so bare wall.
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You have a big space. I would recommend getting some speakers that are more efficient to drive that room:
http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primu.../dp/B000LKC372

These are great speakers for the money and are pretty efficient (93db sensitivity).

Here is the matching center:
http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primu...1328219&sr=1-5

Harmon has a storefront at Ebay and you may be able to score a great deal on these speakers via auction as well.

Stick with the Denon 1911. For that room you are going to want EQ, and the 1911 has Audyssey multi-EQ.

I think others advice concerning 5.1 first is smart. Spend your money on the fronts and sub, surrounds are much less important. You may want to add a second sub down the road as well for that room.
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Some upholstery should help. Put some curtains on the windows.

If you can, get a curtain on that half-wall opening to the kitchen that you could draw open when you watch movies. I should make the room "smaller" with less reflective material.

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I realized my room has tons of reflective surface and is a nightmare to deal with. I will probably set up a separate HT or designated music room down the road. But for now, I have to live with it and try to figure out a way to have a decent setup to start - primarily for home theater and secondary for music (80%/20% ).

Here's some additional information for the room. Any advice how to address the acoustic issues are much appreciated.

All hardwood floor. A 10x8 area rug in the middle, leather combination sofa. Front wall has an entertainment center niche and back to stairs to 2nd floor. Back wall is 2-story wall of windows. Left wall is a half wall open to kitchen. Right wall has a fireplace with stones above all the way to ceiling. Pretty much nothing on the wall yet, so bare wall.

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