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post #301 of 1777 Old 04-27-2011, 11:37 AM
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TJ...in post #247 you left out a picture of the HT2-TL's.

I didn't take a pic of them at the GTG because I already posted a pic of my setup earlier in the thread. I'll add it in for you.
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thanks tj for putting names to the faces...

brandon (nuance)... man, i believe we have met at one time or another... you look AWFULLY familiar... but i can't place you... sucks getting old...

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Not the same pic but here is similar, Pau Ferro Rosewood....
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php...&topic=93585.0

Here is a better pic of Nuances speakers...
I boldly stated they were the "Angriest LOOKING" speakers at the gtg


And here is a link to Terry's speaker pics... they are very low key in what I like to call a shark skin...
Very subtle but when the light is on them you can see how they really come alive...

Terry do you have the pic that Jim took before they shipped... ?

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That what i was think, pauferro. I have seen a few pau ferro finish, and though all of them were very nice, there is this one Jim Salk made thats is the best and it look a bit different, with less of the dark grain. Here is a pic
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I didn't take a pic of them at the GTG because I already posted a pic of my setup earlier in the thread. I'll add it in for you.

thanks TJ! It offers a good perspective on the sizes of the speakers.

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thanks TJ! It offers a good perspective on the sizes of the speakers.

But you have the grilles on!!

You can see them sans grills in some of the pics in the background. But for you, I'll take a new pic tonight without the grills and update the post again. Geez, I can't keep you happy!
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You can see them sans grills in some of the pics in the background. But for you, I'll take a new pic tonight without the grills and update the post again. Geez, I can't keep you happy!

LOL!! No worries...just goofing around.

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thanks tj for putting names to the faces...

brandon (nuance)... man, i believe we have met at one time or another... you look AWFULLY familiar... but i can't place you... sucks getting old...

Could be man, could be. Have you attended RMAF before?

Looks like Warp beat me to the Pau Ferro punch. Thanks bro!

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That what i was think, pauferro. I have seen a few pau ferro finish, and though all of them were very nice, there is this one Jim Salk made thats is the best and it look a bit different, with less of the dark grain. Here is a pic

Those really are heavenly. I'll have to save this picture.

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Man, the picture of the Salks brought everything to a screeching halt It's like "enough said?"

Those are awsome looking speakers.
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TJ, I'm not trying to hijack this thread but since you have a picture showing your electronics I have a question. It looks like you have odyssey stratos mono amps as well as maybe the perseus preamp from Rogue Audio. Is this correct?
Did you add those at the same time and if not what do you feel made the biggest difference in your sound, the monoblock amps (solid state?), the preamp or the speakers and if you say the speakers what was the next biggest addition?
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TJ, I'm not trying to hijack this thread but since you have a picture showing your electronics I have a question. It looks like you have odyssey stratos mono amps as well as maybe the perseus preamp from Rogue Audio. Is this correct?
Did you add those at the same time and if not what do you feel made the biggest difference in your sound, the monoblock amps (solid state?), the preamp or the speakers and if you say the speakers what was the next biggest addition?

At this point I think this thread is dead, so I wouldn't worry about hijacking anything.

You are correct, the preamp is a Rogue Audio Perseus. I formerly had a Parasound 2100 preamp paired with a Parasound 2250 2-channel amp. I was battling what I thought was some sort of distortion or glare in the upper midrange. So I identified a couple of tube preamps to try (a Perseus and a VTL 2.5), and a good deal on a Perseus showed up. It was like it was meant to be. I have not wanted to move on from the Perseus and I like the way the HT-bypass works.

The Perseus added a little dimension to the sound. Not just deeper sound stage per say, but more of a clearer image of layers. However, I still had an upper midrange sound I wasn't fond of even with the preamp change. So I identified a couple of amps to pair with the Perseus (Odyssey Stratos and a McCormack 225). I ran across a great deal on the Odyssey Stratos Extreme SE mono's, and grabbed them up.

This was a big change over the Parasound 2250 amp. The sound was immediately smooth yet seemed more detailed. I noticed a fuller sounding midrange, more midbass punch, and nicely detailed treble. I hate bright, but don't like warm. This mix of gear seems to have taken away any brightness while leaving what I call "obvious" detail. It's detail that you don't have to listen for, it's just there and easy to hear.

This mixed with the right cables has me thinking I can't do much better in my budget range. I know my source is weak, but the sound is really great. I can play anything and find it very enjoyable. I've never had that before.

I personally think you have to have the best speakers you can get to lay the best foundation for a sound system. I'm not sure I could tell you what component would be next most critical, maybe preamp? But it all starts with a decent sourse. I think you need to understand the sound you are looking for, and move towards that goal as best you can. It's the synergy of all the components working together that achieves that special sound. If you change any of the components I have, you take something away from the overall sound.

One thing I can state is that my Salk's have never disappointed me. They seem to have handled every component upgrade I've made by showing me a clear picture of what that component has to offer. I used to find faults with every other speaker I've owned. I just don't seem to do that with the Salk's even after more than 2 years.

I don't know if I've helped you or not. I don't even know if that all makes sense. Ask away if you have any other questions.
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I can second TJ's thoughts on the Perseus. I had one in my system awhile back and now wished I had never sold it. Although I enjoy the 2100 very much I think having the Perseus with my SongTowers would be a nice upgrade. I bought the Perseus off of Audiogon from a local seller at a great price. I check Audiogon frequently for any Perseus' for sale but I have only seen a few and they sell quickly.

I also agree with TJ in that you should focus on the speakers first before anything else. I stretched my budget when I bought the SongTowers and Song Center. I wanted to go with the ribbon tweeter upgrade but it would of added another $1000.00 to the budget. But I am comfortable with my decision and at this time I have no desire to change speakers.

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I can second TJ's thoughts on the Perseus. I had one in my system awhile back and now wished I had never sold it. Although I enjoy the 2100 very much I think having the Perseus with my SongTowers would be a nice upgrade. I bought the Perseus off of Audiogon from a local seller at a great price. I check Audiogon frequently for any Perseus' for sale but I have only seen a few and they sell quickly.

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I still owe you a big thanks for the feedback you gave me on the Perseus. I may have not pulled the trigger on it otherwise. I'm not parting with it anytime soon. As a matter of fact, I may send it to Rogue and get the magnum upgrade when I need new tubes. We'll see.

I would also like to say that the 2100 is a great preamp. I think it's very transparent and worth every penny.
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I still owe you a big thanks for the feedback you gave me on the Perseus. I may have not pulled the trigger on it otherwise. I'm not parting with it anytime soon. As a matter of fact, I may send it to Rogue and get the magnum upgrade when I need new tubes. We'll see.

I would also like to say that the 2100 is a great preamp. I think it's very transparent and worth every penny.

It was my pleasure as I'm happy that you are enjoying the Perseus. I will keep my eyes open and if I find the right deal I will buy another one for sure. I think the Magnum upgrade would definitely be worthwhile. The few times I called Rogue with questions I found the staff to be knowledgable and very helpful.

I agree in that the 2100 is a great preamp for the money. Parasound has hinted that they have some new preamps coming out soon so that should be interesting. I wish there was a pill I could take for my bad case of upgradtis.

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I agree in that the 2100 is a great preamp for the money. Parasound has hinted that they have some new preamps coming out soon so that should be interesting. I wish there was a pill I could take for my bad case of upgradtis.

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From what I've heard Parasound will be releasing a new P2 that will include HT bypass and a subwoofer output. It will be 2(.1) channel only, and will fall in between the Classic 2100 and the Halo P7. If this is true the new P2 will be my next preamp.

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I'm highly disappointed that you guys did no comparisons running the speakers full range. I get you guys' reasoning for doing so but highly disagree. They were designed as tower speakers with bottom end extension and y'all neutered them all down to monitors. If you do another please do a fair amount of full range listening comparisons.
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I'm highly disappointed that you guys did no comparisons running the speakers full range. I get you guys' reasoning for doing so but highly disagree. They were designed as tower speakers with bottom end extension and y'all neutered them all down to monitors. If you do another please do a fair amount of full range listening comparisons.

At the GTG prior to the one at Terry's place, we did run the Salks and Ascend full range on my setup. Did you have some specific questions on how they performed in this regard?
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I'm highly disappointed that you guys did no comparisons running the speakers full range. I get you guys' reasoning for doing so but highly disagree. They were designed as tower speakers with bottom end extension and y'all neutered them all down to monitors. If you do another please do a fair amount of full range listening comparisons.

Well, I don't care how disappointed you are. I for one didn't do it for you, and I certainly won't do it again. Any future GTG at my home will also be for me and my attendee's and not for you. Sorry to disappoint...
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I'm highly disappointed that you guys did no comparisons running the speakers full range. I get you guys' reasoning for doing so but highly disagree. They were designed as tower speakers with bottom end extension and y'all neutered them all down to monitors. If you do another please do a fair amount of full range listening comparisons.

I believe the guys from WAC'd fully explained their reasons for using a sub at their recent GTG. Maybe you could plan a GTG of your own and have all the speakers you are interested in there at your place. It really does not take much effort or time and is really easy to do.

Maybe you have missed the many posts here on AVS of tower speaker owners that use a sub for both music and HT. I have the SongTowers and use my sub at all times. Its not a crime to do it and my manly STs are far from neutered. Maybe you haven't heard tower speakers with a quality sub that was setup properly. If you ever have the chance you might reconsider your thoughts on using a sub with tower speakers.

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I'm highly disappointed that you guys did no comparisons running the speakers full range. I get you guys' reasoning for doing so but highly disagree. They were designed as tower speakers with bottom end extension and y'all neutered them all down to monitors. If you do another please do a fair amount of full range listening comparisons.

I knew this going into the GTG, but you can't please everyone; someone will always complain about your methods and/or the results.

Had we run the speakers full range they all would have peaked in the 30's/40's, thus not giving a real representation of their abilities down low. Listening in that manner would have been completely pointless, with the results being absolutely useless, as the room would have dominated the response and seriously effected what we heard. In short, the speakers wouldn't have sounded or performed how they would under better circumstances at those frequencies. If that still isn't clear...well, I just can't help you. And as Bill mentioned, everyone one of the attendess as the GTG listens to music and movies with our systems crossed over to at least one subwoofer. Since this GTG was for us, not you, we listened the way we wanted to. When you hold your own GTG you can listen in whatever manner you'd like, and you can be sure I won't waste your time whining about your setup and listening methods.

P.S. As merrymaid mentioned, we already did run the speakers full range at the previous get together, and we posted our thoughts on the bass response. Pay attention!

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Where in se wi do you guys meet? I'm in Milwaukee...

I live in East Troy, the first GTG was here. Terry's in Manitowoc.
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I am highly disappointed that you didn't include photo's of the speakers with Booth Babes in them. I read and fully understand your reasoning, but photo's without Booth babes are for neutered men, and as a manly man, I think all future photo's of gear should have the aforementioned Booth Babes as a prerequisite before any posting is allowed. Booth Babes are easy enough to attain, so I m flabbergasted by their omission from an otherwise enjoyable read, and what appears to be a fantastic line-up of speakers. Please see that this deficiency is resolved before any future listening.

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Classic! Ha!

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I am highly disappointed that you didn't include photo's of the speakers with Booth Babes in them. I read and fully understand your reasoning, but photo's without Booth babes are for neutered men, and as a manly man, I think all future photo's of gear should have the aforementioned Booth Babes as a prerequisite before any posting is allowed. Booth Babes are easy enough to attain, so I m flabbergasted by their omission from an otherwise enjoyable read, and what appears to be a fantastic line-up of speakers. Please see that this deficiency is resolved before any future listening.

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Classic! Ha!

I will bring my wife along next time

Agreed - its not a true GTG without your wife there.....

I'm sure I could scrounge up some hot looking babes for future adventures...

Perhaps I'll bring this one, serves as double duty !!!
I'm sure she'll more then keep the Bitchin / Wining to minimum....

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LOL - need someone to protect my gear !!!
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