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Hey guys,

New to the forum here and home audio/theater in general. Went to my local Magnolia store and the sales rep there sugested a Denon AVR-1911 reciever and Definitive Technology ProCinima 600 series speakers. I am looking to grow into the system and add more speakers later on down the road. He quoted me on a price of $999 and not to sure if this is a good deal or not or if the system is worth that kind of cash.

I mostly watch movies and play video games on my current system and want something mainly for that. I am open to any suggestions!

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I think that is a really good receiver (you can find it online for $370-380 from reputable dealers). I am just not a huge fan of HTIB speakers, and I would go with an internet direct subwoofer.

Is $1K your budget?

If so, I would probably spend less on a receiver, and spend more on speakers.
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I have the 1911, just bought it, and you should be aware that there is only one optical audio input and one coaxial audio input. So if you're planning on having digital audio from all of your sources (more than one if you want to stick with optical), you need to pick a different brand of receiver (I think the 2311, 3311 and 4311 all have two optical inputs, but only the $5k model has four inputs), or pick up a selector switch, which range in price from about $17 to like $180. I just ordered an auto-selector switch and four optical cables, should be arriving by the end of the week or beginning of next week. I'll let you know how the unit works out if you would like that information.
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Whats the size of your room?
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If the OP has all or almost all HDMI devices he'll be fine with only a single optical and digital coax input. Otherwise he should look at a different receiver or look at an external device with more inputs.

I have Denon AVR 591 with 4 HDMI devices and a Carousel CD player where I can use analog, optical or digital coax so I have no problem at all with my receiver.

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I think that is a really good receiver (you can find it online for $370-380 from reputable dealers). I am just not a huge fan of HTIB speakers, and I would go with an internet direct subwoofer.

Is $1K your budget?

If so, I would probably spend less on a receiver, and spend more on speakers.

Yes looking to spend 1K. What reciever would you recommend?
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Whats the size of your room?

Size of the room is 10'7'' x 23'8'' and standard 8 foot ceilings. I know its small but what i got to deal with.
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If the OP has all or almost all HDMI devices he'll be fine with only a single optical and digital coax input. Otherwise he should look at a different receiver or look at an external device with more inputs.

I have Denon AVR 591 with 4 HDMI devices and a Carousel CD player where I can use analog, optical or digital coax so I have no problem at all with my receiver.

I am running my HD cabal box, xbox 360 with hdmi, a blue ray player, all have opictical audio. Thats all i plan on using. Will the optical audio still be a problem in this case?
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If you have a Blu Ray player, why not use HDMI audio? That way you get the best audio.

HD cable box, Xbox 360 and BD player all have HDMI, you should be fine just using that.

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If the OP has all or almost all HDMI devices he'll be fine with only a single optical and digital coax input. Otherwise he should look at a different receiver or look at an external device with more inputs.

As I understand it, I thought the HDMI cable was only capable of transmitting a 2 channel signal, and that if the source was more than 2 channel, then the source signal would be mixed down to 2 channel, transmitted to the receiver via the HDMI cable, then the receiver would have to decipher what it thinks the original source audio was, and sort of make up its own surround signal - for example, let's say that there is about an even amount of left and right at this particular moment so it would send that signal to the center channel, etc. Meaning that 5.1 surround would be mixed down to 2.0 sound, and then again mixed back to 5.1 surround. But that an optical cable sends the source audio in its pure form, so 5.1 surround from the source gets to the receiver as 5.1 with no interference from any single component along the way.

That was how I understood the difference between HDMI audio and optical audio. Is this inocrrect? Could someone please correct me?
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As I understand it, I thought the HDMI cable was only capable of transmitting a 2 channel signal, and that if the source was more than 2 channel, then the source signal would be mixed down to 2 channel, transmitted to the receiver via the HDMI cable, then the receiver would have to decipher what it thinks the original source audio was, and sort of make up its own surround signal - for example, let's say that there is about an even amount of left and right at this particular moment so it would send that signal to the center channel, etc. Meaning that 5.1 surround would be mixed down to 2.0 sound, and then again mixed back to 5.1 surround. But that an optical cable sends the source audio in its pure form, so 5.1 surround from the source gets to the receiver as 5.1 with no interference from any single component along the way.

That was how I understood the difference between HDMI audio and optical audio. Is this inocrrect? Could someone please correct me?

You got it backwards. But actually optical can deliver multichannel info (5/7.1) but not at lossless quality. For the lossless codecs (or PCM) you will need HDMI for more than 2 channels. In other words, optical: stereo lossless, analog stereo, or dolby digital/DTS; and HDMI: everything. And by optical i also mean coax as well.
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As of right now HDMI is able support up to to 8 channels of full-resolution digital audio with sample sizes of 16-bit, 20-bit and 24-bit, with sample rates of 32 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 96 kHz, 176.4 kHz and 192 kHz.

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Ok so as it sounds there is no need to run an optical i would be fine with hdmi, and I would be fine with the reciever.
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Oh. Wow sorry about that. I was completely wrong - that's what you get listening to friends. but it's a good thing I posted on here so I can cancel that optical switch!
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Yep, that is correct. All you will need is HDMI. Saves on cable clutter too.

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Yes looking to spend 1K. What reciever would you recommend?

Something like this for $229:
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V467.../dp/B003CP0K8W

Or this for $179:
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-52.../ref=de_a_smtd

Or for slightly more $249, this:
http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-VSX-82...1334850&sr=1-7

I would just caution you to spend much more than $200 for a receiver. Spend the bulk of your money on speakers.

As for speakers you have lots of options, and I would definitely do a search in this thread for $800 budget for speakers.

Jamo, Boston VR1, Polk Monitor 70's, Infinity Primus speakes.

Pair them with a $200 sub like a BIC F-12 and you have a great starter system that would trounce the Deftech HTIB.
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Ok so as it sounds there is no need to run an optical i would be fine with hdmi, and I would be fine with the reciever.

Yes, your HD cable box should be HDMI (check and see) if it isn't, you can use the optical or coaxial digital input. Your 360 and Blu-Ray player you want to hook up with HDMI no matter what anyway. These days you want more HDMI inputs than anything else unless you have a lot of legacy equipment you want to hook up. (old record players, old Nintendo or Atari consoles etc)

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Size of the room is 10'7'' x 23'8'' and standard 8 foot ceilings. I know its small but what i got to deal with.

You will need to go bigger than the Definitive 600 series

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You will need to go bigger than the Definitive 600 series

you thinking 800 or 1000 series? Or something else?
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You will need to go bigger than the Definitive 600 series

Yeah 1000 is What I would go with if it needed to be in the pro cinema line

But honestly I would look at a bookshelf based system instead.
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you thinking 800 or 1000 series? Or something else?

If you like the sound of the def tech speakers, you should get some input from the dedicated thread. At the end of the day, some people like hearing the speakers before they purchase them and others are happy on recommendations from other people.

I know a couple that purchased the 800 series and love it with a room roughly your size (and a 1909 receiver, 2 years old, same model line). I went with def techs and bought bookshelves and a separate sub and love the sound as well.

You can get the def techs at a cheaper price than best buy will quote you and if you're willing to purchase used or manufactured refurbed you can get a pretty steep discount.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=863945

Good luck in your search.
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Also look at 4 of the 152 and the PC350 - Infinity. That will
leave room for a receiver and sub.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...nfinity+primus

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If I were you I would look at having a good receiver first! HTIB arent to bad to start out with ( as I am assumeing this would be your first HT system?)... but as you "grow" into it you will always get the bug to upgrade.

I started out with the Onkyo HT-sr800 HTIB they had on sale 4 yrs ago as it was a decent set up, it worked great for my first HT system. As I got the bug to upgrade ( it all started because I had to much clutter of wires/cabels beind the cabinet and wanted to clean it up by having a receiver with more HDMI hook-ups) I searched for another receiver that had what I wanted so I stayed with the Onkyo brand and got the mid level Onkyo 808 series. When I repleced my older receiver ( still using the old Onkyo speakers at that time) it was like a night and day differance! It made the old Onkyo speakers more "alive" to say the least.

So in essance, look at getting a good receiver at first. Make sure it has all the feautes that you want such as 5.1,7.1 or 7.2, power, size, HDMI I/O and so on. If you check the internet such as Amazon.com, Vanns.com, Newegg.com and so on you can find some realy good deals from time to time.

Speaker wise, the Def. Techs are a really good speaker but as mentioned the 800 and 1000 series are going to be your best bet if you are looking into those. Oh course with a decent receiver and adding either the 800 or 1000 series + a decent sub that will put you well over $1k, closer to $1,500 depending on what you choose that is.

As a good start the Dennon 1911 or even the 1611 will work just fine. THe Yamaha V677 or even the Pioneer 1020 will work good too! Onkyo RC260 or 608 is an excellent one too... it all boils down to what you want that is.
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You should be able to find the 1911 + the 800 set for roughly $1000 ... Buying the separate pieces with a better sub is the way to go, but it'll cost more money and cost is obviously a priority. Again, if you like the sound, go to the dedicated thread for owners and get some input from people that have been through this process with the speakers that you have decided you're interested in purchasing. You'll be able to get direct feedback on the products instead of a long list of suggestions.

If you didn't like the sound, then you have a completely different problem.
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Excellent! Thanks for all the help guys!
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I would definitely buy a really good receiver now and worry about speakers later. Also, you don't have to have the surround speakers. You could go with a good front three and a sub and buy surround speakers later on down the road.

This is what I suggest:

Denon AVR-1911
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1911.../dp/B003IPC5FW

OR

Onkyo TX-SR608
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882120166

both are $380 and really good.

Speakers:

Center: Polk Audio CS10 - $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290105

Fronts: Polk Audio Monitor 60 - $240/pr. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290206

Sub: Emotiva 10" - $330 http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub10.shtm

It's a hair above your price range ($1040) but it's an extremely good start and you could pick up something for surrounds later on down the road. Or save up a few bucks and pick up a pair of the Pioneer bookshelf's from Best Buy that sound pretty good (I think $100 a pair) or people are always selling there stuff. Heck I have a pair of Def Tech Promonitor 80's (older version of the 800's) collecting dust I'd let go for cheap if you were interested. In any case, that is what I would do if I had that kind of budget.

I've got some stuff...but I need more stuff.
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Cost me $600 for my ProCinema refurbs: 2000 center; 1000 L & R front surrounds; BP1.2 L & R rears
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Vann's is having a liquidation/clearance sale so you might be able to pick up some great speakers there on the real cheap.

Def Tech BP 1.2X's $170/pr http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...ries/548525960

I've got some stuff...but I need more stuff.
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Cost me $600 for my ProCinema refurbs: 2000 center; 1000 L & R front surrounds; BP1.2 L & R rears

Where did you get your refurbs from? Or wheres a place to get refurb equipment?
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You should be able to find the 1911 + the 800 set for roughly $1000 ... Buying the separate pieces with a better sub is the way to go, but it'll cost more money and cost is obviously a priority. Again, if you like the sound, go to the dedicated thread for owners and get some input from people that have been through this process with the speakers that you have decided you're interested in purchasing. You'll be able to get direct feedback on the products instead of a long list of suggestions.

If you didn't like the sound, then you have a completely different problem.


Where? I can only find the 800's for 999 as the cheapest....
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