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Has anyone heard these two speakers? Better yet, has anyone owned both? I've heard that Paradigm consistantly makes speakers that rival others that are much more expensive. Does that hold true for these two? What are the weaknesses of either one? Strengths? I'd be using them for 60% music, 40% theater. Any other suggestions in this price range ($10,000-$20,000/pair) Thanks

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IMHO it's not close. The Revel Salon 2's are superb. Much better detail resolution and smoother high end.

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IMHO it's not close. The Revel Salon 2's are superb. Much better detail resolution and smoother high end.

For almost 4x the cost they had better sound better lol, not sure why he is trying to compare the 2.
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The reason I asked was because my local dealer just started carrying both and I can get the salon 2 for $4000 more than the paradigm, not 4x the cost. I just went and listened to both. My initial impression was that the salon 2 was warmer but the S8's had better imaging. Now I've got to demo them in house.

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I am interested in this comparison also. But more interested in the S8 vs the Revel F52. I am planning out my Christmas present a bit early this year. I have a local dealer that carries both, but has neither to demo. I have been hearing rumors of a new F52 early next year though.
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The reason I asked was because my local dealer just started carrying both and I can get the salon 2 for $4000 more than the paradigm, not 4x the cost. I just went and listened to both. My initial impression was that the salon 2 was warmer but the S8's had better imaging. Now I've got to demo them in house.

Just out of curiosity, how much is the dealer charging for the S8's?
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the s8's are $7998 for wood finish, $8800 for piano black.

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I'm very happy with my S8 v2's. ..While I haven't heard those particular Revels, I'm pretty safe in saying that neither speaker sounds twice as good as a speaker that is 1/2 it's price; you're well in the realm of diminishing returns.. Before I'd spend $12,000 on the Revels I'd make darn sure that - when blinded (yes, a blindfold) and with volumes matched perfectly - I can hear ANY difference b/w the two AND that the difference is important in how it would impact my enjoyment of music. You might be surprised to find it''s damn hard to hear ANY difference b/w those two fine speakers.

Also, ..With both speakers you'll need a very large room.
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FWIW I have the S2v2s and the Revel Gem2s...

I think the mids are much, much better on the Gem2s...much clearer. The notes end/decay much quicker with little delay, likely due to the more rigid metals used in the Revel drivers.
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the s8's are $7998 for wood finish, $8800 for piano black.

Ouch. In Canada they are $5500 and 6k depending on finish. MSRP on the Salon 2's is 20k so either way you would be getting a good deal on them.
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I am interested in this comparison also. But more interested in the S8 vs the Revel F52. I am planning out my Christmas present a bit early this year. I have a local dealer that carries both, but has neither to demo. I have been hearing rumors of a new F52 early next year though.

The last time I was out looking at speakers it came down to a choice between the F52s and S8s. Eventually I chose the F52's because I thought the top end of the S8s was over-emphasized and more prone to extra sibilance which I hate.

The S8's have had some changes since then, but if I was out listening to these speakers again that's one thing I'd check out for sure.

The new F52's may be as much as a year away. If you can wait for them it might be a good idea. The pricing? It may be a bit more than the current F52s, and if you like the old ones there may be good prices on the used market.

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If you can spare the $4k it could be worth it...

The Ultimas also look fancier and shinier than the Paradigms
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Ouch. In Canada they are $5500 and 6k depending on finish. MSRP on the Salon 2's is 20k so either way you would be getting a good deal on them.

???? MSRP is $8800 and $9600 in Canada

http://www.gibbyselectronicsupermark...s8+v.3&x=4&y=5
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I've heard both at my dealers store. I would give the nod to the Revels. However priced between both are the new Aerial 7T's they are as good as any speaker up to the $20,000 range. Michael Kelley has really hit a homerun with the 7T's. If you have a chance give them a demo. Real easy to power he demoed them w/a 80 wpc Peachtree INova.
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???? MSRP is $8800 and $9600 in Canada

http://www.gibbyselectronicsupermark...s8+v.3&x=4&y=5

Those are not MSRP, those are e-tailer markups at a place which by the looks of it overcharges for everything. not only that, they are selling those illegally as paradigm does not authorize ANY online sales of their speakers.


From Paradigm.com,

IMPORTANT: Paradigm® and Paradigm® Reference speakers are sold across North America through a network of authorized dealers. None of our products are offered for sale over the Internet or by Mail Order with the exception of Cinema CT "5.1-in-a-box" systems. Some of our dealers may have websites on which they have been authorized by Paradigm to sell these systems and these systems only. Paradigm provides a warranty only on products sold by our authorized dealers.

http://www.paradigm.com/where-to-buy/where-to-buy


Here is a link to a review on soundstage that shows the prices.
http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/p...gnature_s8.htm

Edit: here are a couple more examples,

http://www.gibbyselectronicsupermark...ir-p-2091.html
Monitor 7's being sold for $879.99, MSRP is $749.99, which is exactly what i payed for mine at a local dealer. www.avu.ca

http://www.gibbyselectronicsupermark...ir-p-5747.html
monitor 11's @ $1659.99, MSRP is $1199.99
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the link is from 2004 and those are s8 v.1's?? i know for a fact that before the price increase last year, msrp on the s8 v.3's at my dealer was $7199 CAN for cherry finish. what they are priced at now, after the price increase i am not certain of...
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Thanks Class A, I'll look into the 7Ts. Anyone have other suggestions?

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???? MSRP is $8800 and $9600 in Canada

http://www.gibbyselectronicsupermark...s8+v.3&x=4&y=5

I was just in my local dealer the other day with a friend and he bough a set of the 8's in piano black for $5400 taxes in. The mrsp on the tag was 6K. In his home they sound really great. His options were the S8's, a set of Maggies 3.7 and a used set of ushers. He likes the S8's best and I would agree with him. The maggies were nice but I'm not a fan of them. I didn't hear the ushers so I can't comment on that.

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I own the S8's and really like them, but we recently had a shoutout/gtg with Salks HT2 n Songtowers. I would seriously take a good look at the Salks before you make a decision.

Very very good speakers IMO
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What are your thoughts between the HT2 and the S8. Specifically, the bass and highs?

It is an extremely rare opportunity to have both in the same room.
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Here is the thread, and roughly where things start..... the attending members made their comments.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post20341139

If it were me - I would buy the new tower speakers Jim Salk has shown in this thread http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=94336.0, add a pair of good quality subs for the low end and call it a day... In fact it is my plan in the future to do exactly that - pick up a pair of those and replace my Sig S4's in the bedroom...

Personally I would NEVER run any speakers without subs, far more flexibility, power and performance....
The S8's have good bass, but subs are always better...
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I owned the S8's (V2) and currently own the Salon2's. IMO, the S8's come no where close to the Revels, but then again as someone pointed out the Salon2's are many multiples the price of the Paradigms. You mentioned a price difference of $4k between the two speakers: are you sure your dealer was referring to the Salon2's and not the Studio2's? That is a smoking deal from an authorized B&M dealer, if so.
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If it were me - I would buy the new tower speakers Jim Salk has shown in this thread http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=94336.0, add a pair of good quality subs for the low end and call it a day... In fact it is my plan in the future to do exactly that - pick up a pair of those and replace my Sig S4's in the bedroom...

This sounds like a solid idea, I don't think I could ever swallow 10k for a pair of speakers. Although they would be in the same price range as the new salks plus a couple subs, the 10k price point has negative psychological effects, lol.

I am thinking about picking up a couple Rythmic F12SEs right now to mate with my Toy Towers and future Salk towers.
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I owned the S8's (V2) and currently own the Salon2's. IMO, the S8's come no where close to the Revels, but then again as someone pointed out the Salon2's are many multiples the price of the Paradigms. You mentioned a price difference of $4k between the two speakers: are you sure your dealer was referring to the Salon2's and not the Studio2's? That is a smoking deal from an authorized B&M dealer, if so.

Yes, at that price I'd be all over the Ultima2 Salons. For that small a differential (I know it's not a small amount of $$), unless I really found the S8s to be exceptional for some reason, I wouldn't buy them knowing I could have gotten a great deal on an audibly better speaker. I've heard both in the same room--not my home--and even at full retail you get what you pay for.

Since you can audition them at home, you can use your own ears to decide. You may in fact want the S8s, but if I could get both in my house, I suspect the S8s would have a short visit.

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The paradigm S8's have a fantastic frequency response, they are more accurate and better built than the Revel F52.
However, the Salon 2's are in another league. They cover a wider freq and have a better cabinet than the S8's.
Also look at PSB Synchrony One. They would fit somewhere between the s8 and f52's
Salon 2 > S8 > F52
of course this is IMO :P
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also you might want to take a look at these, i am in your shoes right ow but cant pull the trigger until next year the wife got in the way.

All reviews say there fantastic, but i have yet to audition them . LEGACY AUDIO FOCUS SE
http://www.home-theater.com/index.ph...hk=1&Itemid=89

price is basically the same but from i have read there better than speakers costing twice and tripple the price. I have heard the S8 and they sound great .

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This sounds like a solid idea, I don't think I could ever swallow 10k for a pair of speakers. Although they would be in the same price range as the new salks plus a couple subs, the 10k price point has negative psychological effects, lol.

I am thinking about picking up a couple Rythmic F12SEs right now to mate with my Toy Towers and future Salk towers.

I think you'll be very very happy with that combination. Enjoy!

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I own Revel Salon 2 and they beat Dynaudio Evidence Tempation, Kharma Grand Midis, MBL 111E easily as I owned these speakers as well. Further, I directly compared it to YG Acoustics Anat Ref IIs my friend has and my friend shitted in his pants. My speaker had smoother highs, better integration top to bottom with prodigious bass that was equal if not better than his mega buck self powered bass. There berylium tweeters are so smooth, extended and detailed, it has no problem replicating the highest notes and its harmonics with most demanding transients with ease. I used to get fatigue listening to other speakers I owned but I can comfortably listen and enjoy music for hours. Salon 2 is a giant killer and by far the best value for high end speakers out there period.
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IMHO it's not close. The Revel Salon 2's are superb. Much better detail resolution and smoother high end.

What is the MSRP on these?

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I know this forum is a bit long in the tooth, but if you're considering the Revel Ultima2 series, then this comment from Stereophile says it all, "...the Revel Ultima Salon2 is the best-performing, most natural-sounding full-range loudspeaker I have auditioned in my listening room since I started writing for Stereophile in 1984....While $22,000/pair is a lot of money, the quality of this loudspeaker equals that of others costing up to three times as much. In the Salon2, Kevin Voecks and his team have produced far more than a cosmetic upgrade of the Salon1. They have created a new reference standard in floorstanding loudspeakers that has earned my strongest recommendation." http://www.stereophile.com/content/revel-ultima-salon2-loudspeaker-page-3

I listened to lots of speakers long and hard for many years (NOLA, B&W, Paradigm, Wilson, Dynaudio, among others). To my ears and to my tastes, the Ultima2 Salons were simply the pinnacle. I'm always very hesitant to make absolute statements about speakers because it does come down to personal preference and taste. One thing I will confidently say is that with the Ultima2 Salons you absolutely will not look back.

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