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Last weekend, I was playing some music at loud levels. For the most part, louder than I usually care to listen. At one point, I switched from one album to another and the volume just skyrocketed. I could hear the speakers being over driven but they did NOT blow after about 5 seconds on this very high volume. On top of that, they were being played with loudspeakers set to "Large" in my AVR.

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You're really trying to "loosen" them up, aren't you? Glad to hear they didn't blow. Somewhere there's probably a Cambridge Audio engineer weeping though...

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You're really trying to "loosen" them up, aren't you?
Actually, they sound even more broken in now, with all the loud playing hours on them. I can't wait to add a few more including surround.

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"Using a single, BMR drive unit, the MIN 10 satellite speakers give pinpoint accuracy and are bursting with detail right up to high volume levels. BMR (Balanced Mode Radiator) technology combines the advantages of both flat panel and conventional speakers. This means that, unlike some small speakers, the MIN10 satellites are truly dynamic and won't turn harsh or brittle when the music or film action gets intense. As impressive as the big sound is, the fact that it comes from a box just 8cm cubed is astounding."

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Hello Jimwilson and Perpendicular. I appreciate your comments regarding Minx speakers and Orb speakers....both on this and other AVS forums.

Please help this newbie decide on my sound setup, so I can make my purchase and get on with other things in life

I am about to install a 46" Panasonic plasma (Model tc p46s30) above my fireplace mantle shelf. The mantle is in the center of the long side of my 22 ft x 14 ft family room, with receiver and subwoofer located in one corner of the room. Surround sound has always annoyed me, and the explosions and background music tend to make dialog unclear.

My main goal is clarity of movie dialog, with music listening the secondary priority. I don't need or want booming or low, low frequency bass, but recognize the subwoofers importance. We want to confine our left and right speakers only to sit on our mantle on either side of the TV, so the speakers are only about 4 ft apart max, so not much separation.

To now, I was about to go with the Orb Classic Two system, consisting of two Orb Mod 2s and their Super8 subwoofer. But the wife hates the look of the softball shaped Orbs, and prefers the look of the 3" cube Minx small speakers and the smaller Minx subwoofer. So we are now considering the Minx S212 stereo, 2.1 system in lieu of the Orb Classic Two 2.1 system.

Would greatly appreciate your opinions on the following:

1. With my lack of any real speaker separation, am I just as well off staying with 2.1 sound, or am I missing significant sound improvement by not opting for 3.1 sound with a center channel? (With Orbs, I could use a Mod 1 for the left and right channels, and a Mod 2 for the center channel?)

2. If I "settle" for 2.1 sound, is my money better spent on only a 2.1 receiver? Seems to me, the 2.1 receiver for the same money would offer more quality than a 5.1 or 7.1 receiver, because it has less complexity. But 2.1 receivers are no longer commonplace.

3. With 2.1 sound, I can pick up an Onkyo Model TX 8050 receiver for $340, with internet capability, a front USB, 80 watts per channel, and a line subwoofer out. Is this too much or not enough receiver? If the kids turn the volume way up, I don't want the speakers to blow out!

4. Can you recommend an alternate receiver I should be considering for 2.1? I like the look of the Cambridge Topaz stereo receiver, but it does not appear to have the dedicated subwoofer out port. Could this receiver somehow be made to drive the subwoofer?

5. With 3.1 sound, we are forced into a more classical 5.1 receiver, but I will only use left, right and center channels. With the Orbs, I can easily change the wiring for 3.1, but it looks like the Minx setup will not be so easy for 3.1. Can you recommend a good 5.1 receiver, if I go with 3.1 sound. I would buy the 3.1 receiver, but only wire it for 2.1.

6. With the 5.1 receiver, will any sound quality be sacrificed by using it only in a 2.1 or 3.1 configuration?

7. I am not an Audiophile, and don't believe in spending 75% more for a 3% improvement in sound quality. I read an article where even high end audiophiles are returning to "simple" 2.1 equipment for the purest possible music reproduction...although I realize that dialog clarity is a whole nother consideration.

8. Forgetting nitpicking about who has the better subwoofer, and given the same speaker setup, would you rate the Orbs or the Minx higher for dialog and music clarity?

So what would you guys recommend in my situation?

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Hello Jimwilson and Perpendicular. I appreciate your comments regarding Minx speakers and Orb speakers....both on this and other AVS forums.

Please help this newbie decide on my sound setup, so I can make my purchase and get on with other things in life.

Thanks for the long Post!

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I am about to install a 46" Panasonic plasma (Model tc p46s30) above my fireplace mantle shelf. The mantle is in the center of the long side of my 22 ft x 14 ft family room, with receiver and subwoofer located in one corner of the room. Surround sound has always annoyed me, and the explosions and background music tend to make dialog unclear.

Have you tried surround with boosting the cc by 2 db? This is what I do and should help with dialog by lowering those loud explosions at the same time.

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My main goal is clarity of movie dialog, with music listening the secondary priority. I don't need or want booming or low, low frequency bass, but recognize the subwoofers importance. We want to confine our left and right speakers only to sit on our mantle on either side of the TV, so the speakers are only about 4 ft apart max, so not much separation.

Actually, I use Velcro and attach the speakers directly to the television.

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To now, I was about to go with the Orb Classic Two system, consisting of two Orb Mod 2s and their Super8 subwoofer. But the wife hates the look of the softball shaped Orbs, and prefers the look of the 3" cube Minx small speakers and the smaller Minx subwoofer. So we are now considering the Minx S212 stereo, 2.1 system in lieu of the Orb Classic Two 2.1 system.

The lady of my house loves the look of the Minx Min 10s too.

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Would greatly appreciate your opinions on the following:

1. With my lack of any real speaker separation, am I just as well off staying with 2.1 sound, or am I missing significant sound improvement by not opting for 3.1 sound with a center channel? (With Orbs, I could use a Mod 1 for the left and right channels, and a Mod 2 for the center channel?)

I wouldn't say so. A 2-channel system with your speakers that close shouldn't pose a problem. Personally, I much prefer a cc for watching movies because it helps direct all the voices to the center of the screen, no matter where one sits.

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2. If I "settle" for 2.1 sound, is my money better spent on only a 2.1 receiver? Seems to me, the 2.1 receiver for the same money would offer more quality than a 5.1 or 7.1 receiver, because it has less complexity. But 2.1 receivers are no longer commonplace.

Gee, I've never heard of a 2.1 AVR. 5.1 has always been commonplace. I would budget a minimum of $599 for a good AVR. If you can afford up to $1,000, I'd definitly go for the Anthem MRX 300. You get a lot of bang for the buck.

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3. With 2.1 sound, I can pick up an Onkyo Model TX 8050 receiver for $340, with internet capability, a front USB, 80 watts per channel, and a line subwoofer out. Is this too much or not enough receiver? If the kids turn the volume way up, I don't want the speakers to blow out!

As above.

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4. Can you recommend an alternate receiver I should be considering for 2.1? I like the look of the Cambridge Topaz stereo receiver, but it does not appear to have the dedicated subwoofer out port. Could this receiver somehow be made to drive the subwoofer?

I don't know 2-channel integrated receivers very well. I'd stick with at least a 5.1 channel AVR in case you want to upgrade your amount of speakers, etc, in the future.

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5. With 3.1 sound, we are forced into a more classical 5.1 receiver, but I will only use left, right and center channels. With the Orbs, I can easily change the wiring for 3.1, but it looks like the Minx setup will not be so easy for 3.1. Can you recommend a good 5.1 receiver, if I go with 3.1 sound. I would buy the 3.1 receiver, but only wire it for 2.1.

Why would the 3.1 Minx setup be not so easy? Per my recommendation above.

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6. With the 5.1 receiver, will any sound quality be sacrificed by using it only in a 2.1 or 3.1 configuration?

Absolutely not. If anything, you may improve things by directing the wattage from the remaining unused channels. Like you really need it with the Minx!

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7. I am not an Audiophile, and don't believe in spending 75% more for a 3% improvement in sound quality. I read an article where even high end audiophiles are returning to "simple" 2.1 equipment for the purest possible music reproduction...although I realize that dialog clarity is a whole nother consideration.

For this, you would be bypassing HDMI for audio and using analog connections?

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8. Forgetting nitpicking about who has the better subwoofer, and given the same speaker setup, would you rate the Orbs or the Minx higher for dialog and music clarity?

Not sure, but my money is on the Minx sub.

Bill,

AVR's I recommend are Pioneer VSX-1021 $550.00 or Onkyo TX-609 $599.00.
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Added the new Minx S315 review from Trusted Reviews in first Post.

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I am thinking about...
3 x Min20 for front left, right and central;
2 x Min10 for back surround;
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Is that OK for mixing Min10 and Min20? If so, how to set the crossover freq.? As it has a minx20 and minx10 icon. What level should I set?

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I am thinking about...
3 x Min20 for front left, right and central;
2 x Min10 for back surround;
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Is that OK for mixing Min10 and Min20? If so, how to set the crossover freq.? As it has a minx20 and minx10 icon. What level should I set?

Hey Jeffrey (aka Perpendicular); does this sound familiar?

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I am thinking about...
3 x Min20 for front left, right and central;
2 x Min10 for back surround;
x200

Is that OK for mixing Min10 and Min20? If so, how to set the crossover freq.? As it has a minx20 and minx10 icon. What level should I set?

THANKS!

Will you be using an AVR to set the crossover? The frequency response between the two are quite similar. So, setting the crossover can vary between 130 & 150 hz for both the Min 10 & 20. Normally, you would be safe to set all at 150 hz in your AVR.

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Yes, Swami....why didn't you answer the OP with all the knowledge you have obtained?

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Yes, Swami....why didn't you answer the OP with all the knowledge you have obtained?


Because, when it comes to the Minx speakers you're the guru...

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Because, when it comes to the Minx speakers you're the guru...

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Not just the Minx, but the Orbs too!

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will you be using an avr to set the crossover? The frequency response between the two are quite similar. So, setting the crossover can vary between 130 & 150 hz for both the min 10 & 20. Normally, you would be safe to set all at 150 hz in your avr.

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Hi,
I have a marantz sr7005 that has a published rating of 125 watts per channel x 7 and was wondering if that would be too much power for a surround set of the Minx 10s? The specs say 10-50 watts per speaker but would I damage/blow them?
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^You can never have too much power, but the opposite is true. If you leave your crossover set to 150 hz in your AVR, you should be fine.

BTW, which system are you getting?

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very good...thanks! i had talked to an authorized online store Cr--------- and the guy basically looked at the specs for the min 10 and told me i had too much power and not to get them.

So basically I didn't listen to the guy and ordered 3 Min 10s for the front stage and will be using a mission sub (made in canada still) to try it out first. If I like them and I'm very hopeful that I will, I'd like to add more Min 10s for either a 5.1 or 7.1 set-up. Then if the mission sub is not matched well, maybe get the sub from cambridge too.

Or do you think I should get one Min 20 for a center channel?
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So, you're not getting a Minx Sub too. I didn't either and use a Sunfire Sub for which I feel is okay but know it will sound better with another Sub that plays higher in frequency. I've been looking at the Mirage & Energy Subs. Hopefully, your Mission Sub will be able to compensate for the lost frequencies under 150 hz.

I'm also thinking of upgrading to three Min 20's up front and moving two of my Min 10's to surround duty. If you can, I would do the same.

That sales person is probably afraid that you're going to blow the speakers but if you keep the crossover at no lower than around 150 hz, you should be able to play them at, or above, normal listening levels.

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Your not happy with the Min 10s as your frontstage?
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I'm never happy. Ask Jim.

No, I like the Min 10's but they do sound rather small in my size room. Now, I have the dilemma whether I want to update with the Minx or get another loudspeaker brand altogether. In other words, I've been weighing my options. IMO: I do feel the Min 20 is overpriced compared to the Min 10 which is about $20.00 too much. So, I'm considering getting something different in that $160.00 price range.

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Or do you think I should get one Min 20 for a center channel?
How big is your room? That will play a key role in the decision. Unless it's very small I also think you should consider using the Min 20 for the front 3 channels, and the Min 10 for surrounds. For sure, the center should be a Min 20 -- it's just too critical a speaker to skimp on.

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Jeff: Appreciate your input and for starting this thread. It was hard trying to find information on the Minx. I'm going to give the Min 10s a shot and go from there but I might not be as completely happy either since I've always had conventional floors/bookshelf speakers. The price seemed ok until you buy 5 or 7. What size room do you have Min 10s?

Jim: My HT room/area is about 10x12. I guess that would be on the small side?

The original speakers I was looking at were the DefTechs promonitors but thought they were too big for my space. Then I saw the Boston Acoustics Soundware XS but along the way, the Minx came up and thought they were better speakers and the unconventional speaker design would be better for soundstage sort of like Mirage speakers where sound is not focused like a "flashlfight" which is what I think the Boston XS would be...sorry, not sure if I make sense.
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Jim: My HT room/area is about 10x12. I guess that would be on the small side?

10x12 would be considered small, so you won't need much to fill a room that size. However, I'd still advocate a Min 20 for the center. The rest of the channels you can probably get away with using the Min 10's.


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The original speakers I was looking at were the DefTechs promonitors but thought they were too big for my space. Then I saw the Boston Acoustics Soundware XS but along the way, the Minx came up and thought they were better speakers and the unconventional speaker design would be better for soundstage sort of like Mirage speakers where sound is not focused like a "flashlfight" which is what I think the Boston XS would be...sorry, not sure if I make sense.

I wouldn't summarily discount the DefTech's - they are very nice speakers for the money. But you're right, given the size of the viewing area I would probably stay with the smaller variants. Something like the ProCinema 800 might suffice.

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your Mission Sub will be able to compensate for the lost frequencies under 150 hz....

For the lost frequencies issue, is that ok to upgrade the sub from x200 to x300?

Or just buy other brand sub instead of CA minx sub?
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I am now a proud owner of Min 10s x 3 for the frontstage. With just the fronts for my 10x12 space, it fills the area very nicely. My initial impressions, neither pros or cons, from just watching one movie "Rio".

-they do sound different than conventional speakers.

-they have a finesse approach to sound but is very clear and smooth. very easy listening.

-they have a fullness unlike other small speakers i've listened to that just blends away and you don't even know they are there. but i'm not sure if that's because it's trying to do everything without separate drivers and just sounds like "full range" speakers. i'm not sure how to describe it... /shrugs shoulders.

Overall, they sound great for my given small space and the size is what i'm looking for! Now, to get two more Min 10s for the surrounds (5.1).
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What size room do you have Min 10s?

Wow, this Thread is on fire!

I'll have to measure my room again but I seem to remember that it's around 15 x 20.

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Jim: My HT room/area is about 10x12. I guess that would be on the small side?

Yes, that is on the small side and you should be okay with all Min 10's. I know Jim recommends you try a Min 20 in the center but the Min 10 is pretty powerful & clear for a 2 1/2" driver.

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The original speakers I was looking at were the DefTechs promonitors but thought they were too big for my space. Then I saw the Boston Acoustics Soundware XS but along the way, the Minx came up and thought they were better speakers and the unconventional speaker design would be better for soundstage sort of like Mirage speakers where sound is not focused like a "flashlfight" which is what I think the Boston XS would be...sorry, not sure if I make sense.

Yes, the Minx will be different than the "Other" brands for sure. They sound closer to a mega dollar speaker when it comes to imaging and soundstaging focus.

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For the lost frequencies issue, is that ok to upgrade the sub from x200 to x300?

Or just buy other brand sub instead of CA minx sub?

I couldn't answer that because I've only seen the measurements on the X200 from the "Home Theater" review. Personally, I would rather add a Mirage MM6 or MM8 to the mix. Also, check out the Energy ESW-M6 & ESW-M8, which are the same exact Subwoofer. I feel their measurements cover that "Hole" better which seems to be a problem with Satellite/Sub combos.

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I am now a proud owner of Min 10s x 3 for the frontstage. With just the fronts for my 10x12 space, it fills the area very nicely. My initial impressions, neither pros or cons, from just watching one movie "Rio".

-they do sound different than conventional speakers.

-they have a finesse approach to sound but is very clear and smooth. very easy listening.

-they have a fullness unlike other small speakers i've listened to that just blends away and you don't even know they are there. but i'm not sure if that's because it's trying to do everything without separate drivers and just sounds like "full range" speakers. i'm not sure how to describe it... /shrugs shoulders.

Overall, they sound great for my given small space and the size is what i'm looking for! Now, to get two more Min 10s for the surrounds (5.1).

That was fast! You must have a dealer around the corner? Glad to hear you like them even before they're fully broken-in. Experiment by removing the front grill while listening. You might be in for a pleasant surprise. Keep us Posted!

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For the lost frequencies issue, is that ok to upgrade the sub from x200 to x300?

Or just buy other brand sub instead of CA minx sub?

BTW: What is your room size? If it's bigger than Avfann's, I would definitely check out the X300 or other sub with at least an 8" driver. Or, think about adding two Mirage MM-6 or comparable Energy Subwoofer model. My goal is to add two myself. I haven't decided on the 6" or 8" model yet. Also, the reviews for the Minx X200 & X300 seem to be okay. After all, they were designed for the smaller satellites. But if I can save a buck.....well...you know.

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I am now a proud owner of Min 10s x 3 for the frontstage. With just the fronts for my 10x12 space, it fills the area very nicely. My initial impressions, neither pros or cons, from just watching one movie "Rio".

-they do sound different than conventional speakers.

-they have a finesse approach to sound but is very clear and smooth. very easy listening.

-they have a fullness unlike other small speakers i've listened to that just blends away and you don't even know they are there. but i'm not sure if that's because it's trying to do everything without separate drivers and just sounds like "full range" speakers. i'm not sure how to describe it... /shrugs shoulders.

Overall, they sound great for my given small space and the size is what i'm looking for! Now, to get two more Min 10s for the surrounds (5.1).

Avfann can ask what sub your using alongside the min 10s?
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BTW: What is your room size? If it's bigger than Avfann's, I would definitely check out the X300 or other sub with at least an 8" driver. Or, think about adding two Mirage MM-6 or comparable Energy Subwoofer model. My goal is to add two myself. I haven't decided on the 6" or 8" model yet. Also, the reviews for the Minx X200 & X300 seem to be okay. After all, they were designed for the smaller satellites. But if I can save a buck.....well...you know.

My room size is 15 x 10
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