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If it were me (I'm particular), having heard the difference between the Min 21/22, I would install 22's all around because I use my speakers for surround music too. Otherwise and overall, the two models blend well together. Either/or, you could go either way and the system will sound great.
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If it were me (I'm particular), having heard the difference between the Min 21/22, I would install 22's all around because I use my speakers for surround music too. Otherwise and overall, the two models blend well together. Either/or, you could go either way and the system will sound great.
Very nice! Thank you for the advice! I just purchased the Pioneer Elite VSX-45, so I am excited to get started on finally having a home theater setup. I will be pairing the Minx speakers with an old Energy e:XL-S12 subwoofer.
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I can't seem to locate the specs on your Energy Subwoofer. If it can't play up to 150 Hz, you will be creating a gap (hole) in the frequency response. If you still have it, I'd suggest a look in your manual to be sure.
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I forgot to add that since you will be using a higher crossover setting on your Subwoofer (this is assuming it will play out to 150 Hz), it is a must that you keep it very close to the front three speakers.
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I forgot to add that since you will be using a higher crossover setting on your Subwoofer (this is assuming it will play out to 150 Hz), it is a must that you keep it very close to the front three speakers.
Thanks, I am a newbie so really appreciate the advice. Based on the manual for the Energy e:XL-S12:

VARIABLE LOW PASS FILTER: 50Hz - 100Hz

INPUT SENSITIVITY:
High Level 250mV
Low Level <100mV - 6V
External Crossover <100mV - 6V
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I'm afraid that subwoofer will not blend properly since it's frequency response is 20-100 Hz.
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Hoping I can advice from anyone experienced with the Cambridge Minx Min 21 & 22 satellite speakers. A friend had given me two very good condition Cambridge Minx Min 21 and I would like to set up a 5.1 home theater system. Would it be much better to build my 5.1 setup with all five Cambridge Minx Min 22 satellite speakers? Or can I add three Cambridge Minx Min 22 and the two Cambridge Minx Min 21 speakers? Thanks for your help and advice!
Yes you can use 21 and 22 together. You won't really noticed a difference. However, the 3 front speakers should match so either all 22s or 21s for fronts.
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I'm afraid that subwoofer will not blend properly since it's frequency response is 20-100 Hz.
Ahh bummer! I will have to upgrade the subwoofer eventually Thanks.
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Yes you can use 21 and 22 together. You won't really noticed a difference. However, the 3 front speakers should match so either all 22s or 21s for fronts.
Very nice! Thank you. I am planning to have the 22s for the fronts and center and 21s for the rears.
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Very nice! Thank you. I am planning to have the 22s for the fronts and center and 21s for the rears.
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Thanks, I am a newbie so really appreciate the advice. Based on the manual for the Energy e:XL-S12:

VARIABLE LOW PASS FILTER: 50Hz - 100Hz

INPUT SENSITIVITY:
High Level 250mV
Low Level <100mV - 6V
External Crossover <100mV - 6V
Agree with Perpendicular on this, the -3dB point for the e:XL-S12 is at 100Hz. So you'll have to look for a better sub to match with the Min22/21.

You might also want to consider a pair of identical subs as it will allow a much higher crossover frequency, smooth out the peaks and null, increase the sweet spot and provide a bit more headroom.

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Thanks for all the advices! I wil look into getting the Cambridge X301 subwoofer.
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Thanks for all the advices! I wil look into getting the Cambridge X301 subwoofer.
Most at AVS will recommend one of the Internet Direct (ID) sub companies as the value proposition is far more appealing. The Cambridge X301 sub is not bad, but for the same amount of money one can do much better with one of the ID companies listed below.

(1) Rythmik Audio;
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(3) HSU;
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(5) Reaction Audio.

Lots options and one is spoiled for choose from the ID companies. All offer in home trial period. This is the better than the retail shops where returning a product because one didn't like can be a hassle.

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I used to have a Minx Min 10 setup in our old apratment and was more than happy with it.

We have now moved to a house with a dedicated theater room as well as living room that needs to get some sound in them. I have 2 questions however:

1. Has anybody tried using the Minx Min as fronts with a wider than recommended width? I´ll probably end up with 65 degrees from MLP due to furniture placements. I was hoping that the "wide dispersion" of the Minx would handle this.

2. In the theater room I´ll probably end up placing the Minx below the screen in my media rack. Not the best either but I´ll try to get som acoustic dampening around the speakers and angle them up. They will probably be at 10" and angled upwards. Ideally they should be at earlevel but the projector screen is to big to get speakers on the side.

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You should be okay with a wider than normal width for the speakers. Also, I don't see a problem with placement of your center channel speaker due to the frequency response (lack of frequencies below 200 Hz).
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Min 22 Stereo only

Due to aesthetics and space limitations, looking for two small speakers to provide music only (mostly from streaming service) to living room and attached open kitchen layout. Not looking to shake the walls, but would like to have ability to entertain small crowd at dinner party. Would a pair of Minx Min 22 satellite speakers paired with the x201 or x301 subwoofer fit the bill. The small foot print of the Min 22's are perfect, not sure if practical/appropriate. Thanks to all in advance for responses.


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Hi Michael!

For space limitations, I would highly recommend Emotiva Active Monitors. I use the Airmotiv 4Ses but you could always go for the Airmotiv 3B depending on size and features you are looking for. You may be happy with the low end sound without having to use a Subwoofer.
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Perpendicular,

Thank you for your response. I did not mention earlier that the speakers will be wall mounted. The preferred space, due to window shape and size, will only accommodate something the size of the Min 22's and powered by speaker wire (speakers would be approx 7 to 9 feet apart). I guess my question is would the Min 22's work for the intended use I describe earlier? If not, I would rearrange the room to accommodate floor speakers, which I would prefer not to do. Thank you again for your response and suggestion.
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You can wall mount either Emotiva 4 or 5Ses with an optional Wall Bracket. Not sure about the 3B. The Emotiva Monitors are pretty small but can't match the size of the Min 22's can of soda size.

I feel you would have the best sound quality using one of the Emotiva models but your alternative to stick with a smaller speaker Sub/Sat combo such as the Minx will be a bit more challenging with getting a good blend between these particular satellite speakers, due to their crossover limitation (being much higher) and a separate Subwoofer, but it can be done. If the system is to be used only for background music and not for critical listening, you should be okay.
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Thank you for your response. I did not mention earlier that the speakers will be wall mounted. The preferred space, due to window shape and size, will only accommodate something the size of the Min 22's and powered by speaker wire (speakers would be approx 7 to 9 feet apart). I guess my question is would the Min 22's work for the intended use I describe earlier? If not, I would rearrange the room to accommodate floor speakers, which I would prefer not to do. Thank you again for your response and suggestion.
Alternatives to the Min22 are:

(1) B&W M1; and
(2) KEF E301.

All can be wall mounted so this fits your main requirement.

The KEF and B&W speakers can play lower frequencies than the Min22 so it would be a bit easier to integrate with subs. The downside to this is that the KEF and B&W speakers are larger then the minute Min22. This may or may not be a deal breaker for you.

Each speaker has a unique sound character, so best to go and have a listen and choose the one that sounds right to you.

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Noob question - crossover frequency

Hi

I found this forum on a google search, and have been enjoying ploughing through the comments, very interesting.

I've just bought a Minx 325 v3 surround sound package, and use it with a Yamaha RX-S601. I've been using a Bose system for a number of years - I can't believe how much better the Minx sounds straight out of the box (can't wait for the burn in period to finish!)... I use it mainly for Films & TV (70%), also music (30%).

I've got a noob question about setting the crossover frequency - at the moment, I have the knob on the X301 set to the Min22 picture, and 140Hz on my AVR. It sounds OK to me, but a few places I've seen on the web suggest setting the sub's crossover frequency to max ( = bypass?) ? Should I be doing this?

There's also an automatic speaker settings programme Yamaha has (YPAO) - anyone used it with Minx speakers? Did you get good results?
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I found this forum on a google search, and have been enjoying ploughing through the comments, very interesting.

I've just bought a Minx 325 v3 surround sound package, and use it with a Yamaha RX-S601. I've been using a Bose system for a number of years - I can't believe how much better the Minx sounds straight out of the box (can't wait for the burn in period to finish!)... I use it mainly for Films & TV (70%), also music (30%).

I've got a noob question about setting the crossover frequency - at the moment, I have the knob on the X301 set to the Min22 picture, and 140Hz on my AVR. It sounds OK to me, but a few places I've seen on the web suggest setting the sub's crossover frequency to max ( = bypass?) ? Should I be doing this?

There's also an automatic speaker settings programme Yamaha has (YPAO) - anyone used it with Minx speakers? Did you get good results?
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By setting the crossover frequency on the sub (X301) to max is basically bypassing the sub's plate amp crossover and allowing the receiver (your Yamaha RX-S601) to select the appropriate crossover frequency based on the in room frequency measurement when you carried out the auto-calibration.

The benefit of allowing the receiver to determine the crossover frequency (in the digital domain) is that the bass correction filters will be applied to the sub's full range capacity on the receiver and not limited to the crossover set on the sub's plate amp. This allows one to adjust/choose the appropriate crossover frequency based on personal taste. I.e. good it sounds to the ears at the Main Listening Position (MLP).

I'm much more familiar with Audyssey than YPAO, and with Audyssey XT32 with sub EQ HT a much better response is achieved in the bass region due to the way Audyssey applies a number of correction filters. Believe that YPAO has 3 band PEQ filter at fixed frequencies. You might want to ask more knowable RX-S601 owners on this in the owner's thread.

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By setting the crossover frequency on the sub (X301) to max is basically bypassing the sub's plate amp crossover and allowing the receiver (your Yamaha RX-S601) to select the appropriate crossover frequency based on the in room frequency measurement when you carried out the auto-calibration.

The benefit of allowing the receiver to determine the crossover frequency (in the digital domain) is that the bass correction filters will be applied to the sub's full range capacity on the receiver and not limited to the crossover set on the sub's plate amp. This allows one to adjust/choose the appropriate crossover frequency based on personal taste. I.e. good it sounds to the ears at the Main Listening Position (MLP).

I'm much more familiar with Audyssey than YPAO, and with Audyssey XT32 with sub EQ HT a much better response is achieved in the bass region due to the way Audyssey applies a number of correction filters. Believe that YPAO has 3 band PEQ filter at fixed frequencies. You might want to ask more knowable RX-S601 owners on this in the owner's thread.
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Perpendicular and Steveting99,
Thank you both for your informative responses. I am going to the local Bose merchant thisweekend to listen to an Acoustimass 5 series V stereo speaker system setup which consist of 2 satelite speakers and a acoustimass subwoofer (tried to post link, but not allowed). In your opinion, how would the Bose stack-up andcompare to a pair of MinxMin 22 satellite speakers paired with the x201 or x301 subwoofer (whichsubwoofer would go best with the minx min 22)? Unfortunately, I do not have the option a listening to a Minx Minsetup. As, stated earlier, the setup isfor music listening (stereo) only. Thankyou.
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Perpendicular and Steveting99,
Thank you both for your informative responses. I am going to the local Bose merchant thisweekend to listen to an Acoustimass 5 series V stereo speaker system setup which consist of 2 satelite speakers and a acoustimass subwoofer (tried to post link, but not allowed). In your opinion, how would the Bose stack-up andcompare to a pair of MinxMin 22 satellite speakers paired with the x201 or x301 subwoofer (whichsubwoofer would go best with the minx min 22)? Unfortunately, I do not have the option a listening to a Minx Minsetup. As, stated earlier, the setup isfor music listening (stereo) only. Thankyou.
Hi lmnbrandon,

A few posts above yours is feedback from AVS member teegee21 on the comparison between Bose and CA Minx system. You can do a search through this thread on impressions of other CA Minx who came from a Bose system and ask for their feedback on the sound quality differences between the two manufacturers.

In general, most would say the CA Min22 system with the X301 would sound better than the equivalent Bose system for both stereo and mutli-channel movie sound track reproduction.

Be warned that the Bose merchant most likely have a highly treated room that's been tailored made/tweaked to sound good with the Bose system. The same Bose system will not sound the same in your listening room. I've been to a Bose demo and have to say the experience was quite good, but knew what was happening so had to keep the brain in check.

While the X201/301 sub from CA is okay, you're better off with a sub from one of the Internet Direct (ID) companies mentioned in this thread and in AVS. The value spent and sound quality available from the ID sub companies is outstanding. Only way to beat these ID sub companies is to go down the DIY route.

For your stereo setup, you'll need an integrated amp with sub out to splice together the Min22 + sub(s). If you can afford to, go with a pair of decent and capable subs to smooth out the bass response and minimize sub localization when crossover frequency is high, which is needed with the Min22. The splice would be better with a pair of subs.

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