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I've been away from this thread for a long time, and it's great see that Perpendicular is still in the Minx camp. After all, it was his early enthusiasm and experimentation with the Minx that gave this thread it's existence and endurance.

I'm curious if there are any new BMR or Minx developments in the last year or so.

What Perpendicular says about the Minx "base modules" is interesting. But the point ien2 makes about the SVS's
ability to render deep bass at the same time allowing for a very high crossover makes a good argument for the use of that sub.
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Hello,

I hope no minds me asking a n00b question about the Minx Min line-up. This thread seems to be the best place to ask a question (and I searched through it already). I have a smallish room (9.5'x11.5' with 8' ceilings) so space is a premium. I am going to go with the x301 subwoofer but I am wondering about what combination of Minx Min 12/22 to use. I am thinking of using a single Min 22 for the center channel and then use 6 more 12s for a 7.1 setup. Is this reasonable or should I go all 12s all around? I understand that the 22s provide more low end, but would not the x301 provide plenty of that?

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As the experts on this thread have not yet answered, my opinion based on general knowledge of satellites, surround and audio, is to build a sytem with Min 22s...at the very least for the front L-C-R, and preferably all around.

You want robustness and sonic weight all around, and the second (non BMR) driver in the 22s will definitely provide that. I wouldn't put all the heavy-lifting on the bass module.
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Hello,

I hope no minds me asking a n00b question about the Minx Min line-up. This thread seems to be the best place to ask a question (and I searched through it already). I have a smallish room (9.5'x11.5' with 8' ceilings) so space is a premium. I am going to go with the x301 subwoofer but I am wondering about what combination of Minx Min 12/22 to use. I am thinking of using a single Min 22 for the center channel and then use 6 more 12s for a 7.1 setup. Is this reasonable or should I go all 12s all around? I understand that the 22s provide more low end, but would not the x301 provide plenty of that?

Thank you
Hi Andrew,

Would like to check if the listening room is totally enclosed based on the dimensions given? If so, the floor area is less than 110 sq. ft. and total volume is less than 900 cu. ft.

That's a small listening room. You can do much better than using the X301 and for such a small room volume a pair of subs will be more beneficial as the room modes are at a higher frequency. There's been good feedback on SVS SB1000 sub woofer with Minx owners and I suspect other Internet Direct (ID) sub companies would be just as good as SVS.

As taichi4 advised, it would be better to go with Min22 for the LCR and Min12 for the surrounds.

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Hello, I have just upgraded my amp to a Denon AVRX2200W. I have existing Monitor Audio Bronze Series speakers (old model). I want to add 2 front height speakers to my setup and have been looking at the Cambridge Aidio Minx series. I am unsure out of the M12 and M22 which to plump for. Is the M22 going to be overkill for just front atmos height speakers? Is it worth paying twice the price for these over the M12s?

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Hello, I have just upgraded my amp to a Denon AVRX2200W. I have existing Monitor Audio Bronze Series speakers (old model). I want to add 2 front height speakers to my setup and have been looking at the Cambridge Aidio Minx series. I am unsure out of the M12 and M22 which to plump for. Is the M22 going to be overkill for just front atmos height speakers? Is it worth paying twice the price for these over the M12s?

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It will depend on how high in frequency your sub(s) can play to. If your sub(s) can go up to 200Hz, either the Min12 or Min22 will be fine. If you have a single sub, there might be some localization issues.

Edit: For a 5.1.2 Atmos/DTS:X speaker configuration, the general recommendation is for the ceiling speakers to be Top Middle and not Front Height. With your Denon AVR-X2200W, the back surround speakers are going to be used for the 5.1.2 setup.

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It will depend on how high in frequency your sub(s) can play to. If your sub(s) can go up to 200Hz, either the Min12 or Min22 will be fine. If you have a single sub, there might be some localization issues.
It's a brw10. Lowest frequency 27hz. Upper 40-120hz

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You would be better off with the Min22, which has a minimum frequency of 120Hz. The crossover frequency to your Monitor Audio BRW10 sub can be thus set to 120Hz, which is the limitation of the sub's frequency response.

The Min12 lowest frequency response is 150Hz.
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You would be better off with the Min22, which has a minimum frequency of 120Hz. The crossover frequency to your Monitor Audio BRW10 sub can be thus set to 120Hz, which is the limitation of the sub's frequency response.

The Min12 lowest frequency response is 150Hz.
Thanks, all ordered and received today. Just got to work out the best placement for Atmos in my setup.
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CrossOver Help

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I have now purchased a BK Sub - p12300 SB DF
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I have the MINX22 x5 around the room and i was wondering what people recommend as the best cross over settings?

Any suggestions? Currently i think the default set on my Pioneer VSX-930 is 80mhz

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I have now purchased a BK Sub - p12300 SB DF
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I have the MINX22 x5 around the room and i was wondering what people recommend as the best cross over settings?

Any suggestions? Currently i think the default set on my Pioneer VSX-930 is 80mhz

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Hi nick,

Wasn't sure about the about the model number of the B&K sub, so is it the Platium P12300-SB unit?

The Min22 needs to crossover to the sub at a high frequency (around 120Hz). Looks like the highest frequency on Platium P12300-SB is 120Hz so it could be a close match with the Min22. Try setting the filter swtich to Out/LFE and let the Pioneer VSX-930 receiver to determine what the appropriate in room frequency crossover is.

I would be very surprised if the Min22 can go as low as 80Hz in the room - are you sure about this? You might want to do a frequency sweep of the Min22 in your room to determine if this is correct. Check at which frequency the Min22 starts to roll off and see where the -3dB point is.

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Hi nick,

Wasn't sure about the about the model number of the B&K sub, so is it the Platium P12300-SB unit?

The Min22 needs to crossover to the sub at a high frequency (around 120Hz). Looks like the highest frequency on Platium P12300-SB is 120Hz so it could be a close match with the Min22. Try setting the filter swtich to Out/LFE and let the Pioneer VSX-930 receiver to determine what the appropriate in room frequency crossover is.

I would be very surprised if the Min22 can go as low as 80Hz in the room - are you sure about this? You might want to do a frequency sweep of the Min22 in your room to determine if this is correct. Check at which frequency the Min22 starts to roll off and see where the -3dB point is.
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Yep, i have the Platium P12300-SB
I will do a sweep of the room tonight. I think the default was set to 80mhz so this will change once i know what i am doing.

Thanks for your post, it makes a bit more sense with why i am setting the cross over and for what reason. Im still getting to grips with a decent sub and system

I will post back with an update

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Hi chaps
I would like to apologies in advance for the lack of understanding in home audio

So i spent a few hours setting the sub and speakers up. I went through the automatic mic set up which came with the AMP and it went through 10 mins or so of sound checks.

After the crossover freq was automatically set to 150, looking at the spec of the speakers the max is 125 for the MINX22 so the next setting was 100 so i moved it down to that for the crossover freq, is that ok?

I need a bit of basic help now.
All these dials. what do they mean. I have tried moving them to get an idea but i am struggling to understand what Phase/Freq/Lo and High level gain mean

Currently i have them all in the middle with low and high near the max

Also, i made a schoolboy error when cabling the room. I only left a spare 2 core cable near the sub so i am a single cable short for the High Level input. is that correct? i need 3 cores to wire the high level input in?


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After being absent for a while, I see there is still some confusion regarding the Minx satellite speakers.

The whole idea of the second driver (or BMR) added to the Min 22 which is absent with a Min 12 is to allow a bit more mid-bass bloom which will produce a more fuller sound. Not to allow the speaker to play a lower frequency range. You can only derive so much out of a 2 1/4" driver, no matter what the crossover design of the speaker is. Therefore, I do not recommend a crossover setting lower than 140-150 Hz for either the Min 12 or Min 22 (this recommendation equates to previous models too). If the subwoofer you are using does not play cleanly up to 150 Hz, you need another sub. Otherwise, you will creature a gap in the 120-150 Hz range.

As far as using additional speakers for effects with codecs such as Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, use the Min 12 as there shouldn't be any benefit using the larger Min 22 unless in larger spaces.

Getting back to what I stated earlier about subwoofers and the Minx satellite speakers. I'm not saying that you cannot create a satisfying experience using a subwoofer other than the Minx X series. You may need to work harder at getting it to blend properly, etc.
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Btw, my recommendation for movies and tv shows is using three Min 22 up front as a minimum. If you listen to a lot of surround sound (4.0 and 5.1) music like I do and watch a lot of music videos, using the Min 22 for your rear/side surround channels is mandatory.
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Hi chaps
I would like to apologies in advance for the lack of understanding in home audio

So i spent a few hours setting the sub and speakers up. I went through the automatic mic set up which came with the AMP and it went through 10 mins or so of sound checks.

After the crossover freq was automatically set to 150, looking at the spec of the speakers the max is 125 for the MINX22 so the next setting was 100 so i moved it down to that for the crossover freq, is that ok?...
Leave it at 150Hz as that is what the in room frequency response is for the Min22 as reported by your pre/pro/receiver. As recommended by Perpendicular in the posts above, the recommended crossover frequency is 150Hz for the Min22.

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...I need a bit of basic help now.
All these dials. what do they mean. I have tried moving them to get an idea but i am struggling to understand what Phase/Freq/Lo and High level gain mean

Currently i have them all in the middle with low and high near the max

Also, i made a schoolboy error when cabling the room. I only left a spare 2 core cable near the sub so i am a single cable short for the High Level input. is that correct? i need 3 cores to wire the high level input in?


Thanks
Nick
Go to page 4 of the Platium P12300-SB sub owner's manual which shows how to connect from your pre/pro/receiver to the sub. Note that the switch the for the Filter Bypass Switch needs to be in the Out position. Your pre/pro/receiver will manage the bass frequencies on the low level inputs.

Set the Phase to 0 degree. Set frequency to 120Hz.

On the Lo Level gain, initially set to 10 o'clock position and measure the dB level at the Main Listening Position (MLP) by sending a test signal into one of the channels. Is it 75dB/85dB (Depending if one is using the LFE channel or bass management on the other channels)? Adjust the Lo Level gain until the MLP reads 75dB/85dB.

Then redo the auto-calibration.

By the way what type of pre/pro/receiver do you have? I have some experience on the Denon/Marantz gear and believe Perpendicular is pretty knowledgeable with Pioneer gear. If you have another vendor for your pre/pro/receiver, then asking for some help in the appropriate owner's thread is a good way to go.

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Cambridge Audio does list the frequency response of the Min 22 as 120 hz to 20khz, vs 150 hz to 20 khz for the Min 12.

So the Min 22 does reach deeper in the bass.
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Cambridge Audio does list the frequency response of the Min 22 as 120 hz to 20khz, vs 150 hz to 20 khz for the Min 12.

So the Min 22 does reach deeper in the bass.
Why don't you come over, have a listen and hear for yourself. I can set them up for you. Otherwise, the answer to that question was already answered.
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I'm looking for something to replace the NHT 2.5i/1.5/AC-1 speakers I've been using in my 7.2 system for many years. I've been plowing through most of the posts in this thread and I'm very impressed with what I've read about the Min 22.

Unfortunately the crossover point issue affects me. I've seen the many posts discussing what is ideal and particularly Perpendicular's strong recommendation for 150-200hz despite a 120hz lower freq spec. I totally get the 150hz-minimum recommendation, but other components in my system don't give me a 150hz option. The highest crossover point in my Lexicon MC-12B EQ surround processor is 120hz, and the two compact M&K VX-100 subs I plan on putting back into service probably should be crossed-over at 125hz.

I'm trying to decide whether this should really be a deal breaker given the fact that the Lexicon proc has excellent room EQ processing that should adequately compensate for whatever frequency dip occurs between 150hz and 120hz. Given the fact that the Min 22 is rated down to 120hz, it seems to me that any dip around the crossover point should be modest enough to be handled by the Lexicon's correction algorithm. So even though I'd probably be willing to make a slight performance sacrifice in exchange for much greater WAF of the Minx compared to the NHT setup, I tend to believe that with the combination of Lexicon's room EQ compensation and my old ears I'm not going to hear enough difference to worry about.

I'm just wondering if anyone else might be happily operating a set of Min 21/22 speakers at 120hz (with or without a processor that has room EQ to flatten the dip).

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Hey Les,

Sorry for the late reply, been gone for a bit and looks like others are too.

Cambridge Audio tends to give their specs at +/-6 dB instead of the normal 3dB, this is why despite the 120-20k spec given, usually we say plan on having a crossover higher. That said, you can add some boost to that region, I personally run them at 120Hz with Audyssey and at lower to moderate spl levels it's fine for me. I do live in an apartment so I've never tested them at higher levels, I'd assume at some point frequencies below 150Hz...or even 200Hz just wouldn't be able to keep up with higher frequencies because they are small drivers.

But since you're coming from the 2.5's which has a sizeable footprint, wouldn't some smaller bookshelves such as the SuperZero 2.1 be a good compromise?
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Thanks very much len2. Wouldn't you know it, after giving it a few days to see if anyone would reply, it only took placing an order for me to get a reply here within minutes. LOL Rather than take the deep plunge all around, I decided to be conservative and start off with just a single Min 22 for the center channel and see how that goes.

I actually did consider a newer/smaller set of NHTs, but after years of subjecting the wife to big ugly NHT speakers (she endured a pair of monstrous black 3.3's for years before the 2.5i's) I thought it was time for me to look for the smallest quality speaker I could handle for the main living area. We don't have high volume requirements, so I think the 22 will do fine for now with room EQ, plus I'll eventually replace the Lex MC-12 which should give me slightly higher crossover point options.
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Hehe, my timing is as good as ever

Had a hurricane roll through to the north of us (HI) and spent the later part of last week running errands and such just in case it decided to switch directions. So between that and the holiday I'm catching up on stuff today.

Since you have it on order already give it a try, there will be trade offs going to this which I'm sure you're aware of. If it doesn't work out I'd give the SuperZeros a good look, they are not that much larger than the Minx; 9" x 5" x 5.5" vs 6" x 3.1" x 3.3".
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So I thought this would be a pretty good place to ask a couple of questions.

I currently have a 5.1 setup using the Focal (JB Labs) Sib & Cub3 speakers. I'll be upgrading to a 4K AVR that can do Atmos soon, so I wanted to get some on-ceiling speakers. The room is fairly small, plus the ceiling behind the couch is slanted, so I can only do 5.1.2 (or maybe 7.1.2). And I can't really put an extra pair of Focal Sibs on the ceiling, so I've been looking for alternatives.

The Minx Min 12 seem like they could be a good fit. So I'm wondering a few things... first of all, would the Sibs and the Min 12s play well together? Does anyone have any opinion about that. I'm also wondering if the wall mounts can be used as ceiling mounts?

My Cub3 sub goes up to 150Hz (according to the specs). And I'm thinking about getting a second one, so that should help with the response. It seems the Min 12s can't really go much lower than 150Hz... so if I do get them, what should I set the crossover to?

That's about it for now. Thanks for the help in advance.

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^ Hi BigFoot! If your current and future AVR's have room correction as an option, I would use it to help the Receiver determine the crossover setting in your room.

Normally, I'm not a fan of mixing speaker brands but I use a pair of Min 22 currently as my side surrounds with my three front active speakers. They're not perfect but seem to blend okay. YMMV
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^ Hi Perpendicular. Thanks for the advice.

Since my post I already ordered a new AVR (Marantz SR6010). Someone recommended I get Focal Little Birds instead of the Minx Mins. While bigger than the Minx Mins, they also go lower. And they should match better with the rest of my speakers. When I got a really good deal on the Little Birds, I decided to get them.

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Min12s in a 5.1.2 setup

Good Day All and Sundry,
I finally broke down and added a pair of Min12s as my height speakers for a 5.1.2 setup and I have to say I have been quite pleased with the result. The effect is more subtle than I thought it would be but it really does make the immersion into the movie the closest I've had to a theatre experience. I have a small room compared to some of you and a mish-mash of speakers but I am quite happy. I've watched WTF, Now You See Me 2, and Deadpool so far and again, all three put you right in the middle of the action with great success.

My set-up for those of you who are curious is this:
Oppo BDP-103D Darbee Blu-Ray
Panasonic 50" plasma 720p (Soon to be replaced with a Vizio M series unless OLEDs come down some more and mfrs start cranking more out without stupid curved screens)
Onkyo TXNR646 with DTS:X firmware update
Mains- Paradigm Atom v2, 11 ft from sofa.
Centre- AR Holographic MC-1 11 ft,
Height- CA Minx Min12 bolted to the Atoms with 400M brackets at 60 degree angle toward ceiling,
Surrounds- Orb Audio Mod 1 6 ft behind sofa on speaker stands,
Subwoofer- Paradigm PDR10 11 ft from sofa at front left.

I have to say the Min12s have really impressed me as being very coherent, being easily able to place individual instruments and singers listening to music when I temporarily set them up as my mains, so much so I'm debating buying more for my rear surrounds and replacing the Orbs. Realistically though, once I have a few more shekels the older speakers will be replaced with a new set of Axiom Audio Epic series or more CAs. Some day.

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It's good to experiment and compare these speakers in stereo mode. I find it fascinating how much resolution the current Min 12/22 have. Just when I thought they couldn't get any better, Cambridge proves me wrong.

I just wished they made a larger model to reduce the thinness / lower scale that they poccess. That's why I'm using much larger two-ways for the front three channels.

As far as a new 4K television, I purchased my LG OLED directly through Best Buy but I've read that if you were to look around, there are merchants selling them at substantial discounts.
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