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Hi guys,

it has been a long time.

i would like to ask your opinion in case i am wrong...

so this summer i did a small renovation in my room and i managed to run some audio cables in the ceiling (concrete) for two front atmos speakers.

my 7.1 setup is as follows...

Fronts : B&W 603S2
Center : B&W LCR600
Rears : B&W LM1
Back : Cambridge audio minx 22 (ceiling mounted)
sub : SVS PB-1000
AVR : Onkyo 709

i want to go towards atmos - dts:x format slowly but i am trying to decide if i should buy the minx 22 or minx 12.??????
i used to have minx 11 for my backs and even though they were nice and i liked them..... they were not for me... with the Minx 22 i got more db and a fuller sound than i had with the 11s.

i am aiming to get a denon x4200 (if i ever get the money) as an AVR as it seems the best choice for me.

my rear speakers are almost ceiling height. my room is 2m tall, so my rear speakers, my back speakers and my atmos speakers will be at the same height. yes i know it is a weird configuration but
you have to do what you can with the space you have. at the moment i have no problem with my setup.

minx is my choice because i want them to match my back speakers and they have the perfect size for my room since i can walk right beneath them with no problem.
so the question is.... should i go minx 12 or 22? i don't want to regret my choice.

by the way? is anyone selling his minx 22? in white?

thanks
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At one time, I had both the 12 & 22. My vote is for the Min 22.
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At one time, I had both the 12 & 22. My vote is for the Min 22.
damn, i was hoping you would say "No Ted, save your money. Minx 12 is the best solution for you. Your mind is playing tricks with your pocket"

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so this summer i did a small renovation in my room and i managed to run some audio cables in the ceiling (concrete) for two front atmos speakers.

my 7.1 setup is as follows...

Fronts : B&W 603S2
Center : B&W LCR600
Rears : B&W LM1
Back : Cambridge audio minx 22 (ceiling mounted)
sub : SVS PB-1000
AVR : Onkyo 709

i want to go towards atmos - dts:x format slowly but i am trying to decide if i should buy the minx 22 or minx 12.??????
i used to have minx 11 for my backs and even though they were nice and i liked them..... they were not for me... with the Minx 22 i got more db and a fuller sound than i had with the 11s.

i am aiming to get a denon x4200 (if i ever get the money) as an AVR as it seems the best choice for me.

my rear speakers are almost ceiling height. my room is 2m tall, so my rear speakers, my back speakers and my atmos speakers will be at the same height. yes i know it is a weird configuration but
you have to do what you can with the space you have. at the moment i have no problem with my setup.

minx is my choice because i want them to match my back speakers and they have the perfect size for my room since i can walk right beneath them with no problem.
so the question is.... should i go minx 12 or 22? i don't want to regret my choice.

by the way? is anyone selling his minx 22? in white?

thanks
Ted
Hi TeDeV,

For Atmos and DTS:X to work properly, there must be some physical separation between the ear level speakers and the height speakers. Believe the recommendation from Dolby is around 30 deg. minimum.

If you have the surround backs (meant to be the ear level speakers) elevated to the ceiling, the surround bubble may get squished when object panning happens from back to height back.

If you're unable to relocate the surround backs to just above ear height at the seating position (1'to 2' should be okay), might want to consider the 7.1.2 rather than the full 7.1.4 speaker layout. It might also save you costs for an external amp needed for the 7.1.4 speaker layout.

I agree with Perpendicular that the Min22 would be better for the Atmos ceiling speakers.

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Hi TeDeV,

For Atmos and DTS:X to work properly, there must be some physical separation between the ear level speakers and the height speakers. Believe the recommendation from Dolby is around 30 deg. minimum.

If you have the surround backs (meant to be the ear level speakers) elevated to the ceiling, the surround bubble may get squished when object panning happens from back to height back.

If you're unable to relocate the surround backs to just above ear height at the seating position (1'to 2' should be okay), might want to consider the 7.1.2 rather than the full 7.1.4 speaker layout. It might also save you costs for an external amp needed for the 7.1.4 speaker layout.

I agree with Perpendicular that the Min22 would be better for the Atmos ceiling speakers.
7.1.2 is the best i can do and this is what i am planning for. i thought i said that but i didn't

you are correct that the way my space is it can't support 4 atmos speakers in any way. not even a 5.1.4.

7.1.2 is the way i am planning to go. i just hope that atmos will justify the expenses.
i know the difference i heard from 5.1 to 7.1 and i don't want to go back. hopefully it will be even better with 7.1.2

i am planning to replace my avr with a Denon X4200W since it looks like it is one of the best choices at the moment. the only problem is that it will require another receiver to drive those two speakers which means even more expenses.

i tried my best to calculate where i should place my atmos speakers in my room. i read dolby's site and their "ridiculous" small angle for just 2 front atmos speakers. i decided to move them a little further towars the screen since they were really close to my surround rear speakers. and when i said move them.... i mean i was sitting on my couch while a friend was holding one of my surround backs minx 22 on the ceiling and i was trying to guess the disperse of sound that the speaker would do. thankfully minx have a high dispersion so maybe they will be forgiving.

i guess i am the only one in here that has mounted minxs on concrete ceiling and especially of that height
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7.1.2 is the best i can do and this is what i am planning for. i thought i said that but i didn't

you are correct that the way my space is it can't support 4 atmos speakers in any way. not even a 5.1.4.

7.1.2 is the way i am planning to go. i just hope that atmos will justify the expenses.
i know the difference i heard from 5.1 to 7.1 and i don't want to go back. hopefully it will be even better with 7.1.2...
For the Atmos ceiling speakers, try the Top Front Height or Top Middle designations. With Top Front Height, one can utilize the Auro 3D format, if one want to go down that path.

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...i am planning to replace my avr with a Denon X4200W since it looks like it is one of the best choices at the moment. the only problem is that it will require another receiver to drive those two speakers which means even more expenses.

i tried my best to calculate where i should place my atmos speakers in my room. i read dolby's site and their "ridiculous" small angle for just 2 front atmos speakers. i decided to move them a little further towars the screen since they were really close to my surround rear speakers. and when i said move them.... i mean i was sitting on my couch while a friend was holding one of my surround backs minx 22 on the ceiling and i was trying to guess the disperse of sound that the speaker would do. thankfully minx have a high dispersion so maybe they will be forgiving.

i guess i am the only one in here that has mounted minxs on concrete ceiling and especially of that height
If you get the Denon X4200W, it has only 7 internal amps and there's the additional cost of an external 2-channel amp needed to go to 7.1.2. There are 9-channel amp receivers on the market now, including some from 2015 that are on sale due to the introduction of replacement models. Might look into these if the budget can stretch for it.

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For the Atmos ceiling speakers, try the Top Front Height or Top Middle designations. With Top Front Height, one can utilize the Auro 3D format, if one want to go down that path.



If you get the Denon X4200W, it has only 7 internal amps and there's the additional cost of an external 2-channel amp needed to go to 7.1.2. There are 9-channel amp receivers on the market now, including some from 2015 that are on sale due to the introduction of replacement models. Might look into these if the budget can stretch for it.
hey steve thank you for your answer.

i would like to have a receiver with HDMI 2.2, 4K, Audyssey XT32, ATMOS and DTS:X, (auro3D i believe is something i can't use in my space due to position limitations).
i want it to have preouts and be 7.2.2.

i can't change the location of my atmos speakers since the audio cables are placed in the concrete. so they will be there for life


i have placed the atmos cables at the same line as my surround backs. so basically there is a circle around my couch with the atmos, SR, SB speakers. they are not in line with my fronts which are at the same line with my surround rears.

basically i tried to follow dolby's instructions and to tell you the truth i didn't like them. those instructions consider a perfect space where every speaker is where it "should" be. but in a home this is not always possible. so i placed the atmos cables where i thought it would benefit the sound more around my couch. and i trust minx's dispersion to correct any angle mistakes. it will be an interesting project that i hope it will not betray me as a result.

do you guys have any recommendations for a small external amp? i would like to avoid any massive hardware. i am not even sure if i can use an old avr that i have. never done that
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do you guys have any recommendations for a small external amp? i would like to avoid any massive hardware. i am not even sure if i can use an old avr that i have. never done that
There's been positive feedback on the Audiosource AMP-100 two channel external amp. If want to use the 12V trigger on the X4200W to turn ON/OFF the external amp, the next model up (AMP-102) is the right choice.

You can certainly re-purpose an older AVR to power the Min22 for the Atmos ceiling speakers. The X4200W has analogue pre-outs so it'll be dependent on the analogue inputs of the older AVR. Just about every AVR have at least CD analogue inputs so there's at least two amp channels that can be used. Just remember to reset the older AVR to default factory status, disable all processing and set the Main Volume (MV) to 0dB.

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There's been positive feedback on the Audiosource AMP-100 two channel external amp. If want to use the 12V trigger on the X4200W to turn ON/OFF the external amp, the next model up (AMP-102) is the right choice.

You can certainly re-purpose an older AVR to power the Min22 for the Atmos ceiling speakers. The X4200W has analogue pre-outs so it'll be dependent on the analogue inputs of the older AVR. Just about every AVR have at least CD analogue inputs so there's at least two amp channels that can be used. Just remember to reset the older AVR to default factory status, disable all processing and set the Main Volume (MV) to 0dB.
steve i really appreciate your help man. one last question.

can i use the old receiver to drive my B&W fronts which require more watts through preouts and connect all the surrounds/atmos speakers on Denon?
i guess that would be a better use case scenario.
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steve i really appreciate your help man. one last question.

can i use the old receiver to drive my B&W fronts which require more watts through preouts and connect all the surrounds/atmos speakers on Denon?
i guess that would be a better use case scenario.
The X4200W has sufficient pre-outs on the back of the receiver for what you want to do (i.e. power the front left and right). So it'll be a matter of configuring the AMP ASSIGN on the X4200W to allow for this.

Head on over to the 2015 Denon thread where Denon gurus jdsmoothie and batpig hand out. You can let them know you're wanting to setup up a 7.1.2 Atmos configuration and would like to power the front left/right via an external AVR, what is the right setting to do this?

Edit: Does your old AVR have analogue inputs for 7.1 channels? If so, it should be possible to drive the front left/right as well as the Min22 Atmos ceiling speakers using the amp section of the old AVR via the pre-outs of the X4200W.

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The X4200W has sufficient pre-outs on the back of the receiver for what you want to do (i.e. power the front left and right). So it'll be a matter of configuring the AMP ASSIGN on the X4200W to allow for this.

Head on over to the 2015 Denon thread where Denon gurus jdsmoothie and batpig hand out. You can let them know you're wanting to setup up a 7.1.2 Atmos configuration and would like to power the front left/right via an external AVR, what is the right setting to do this?

Edit: Does your old AVR have analogue inputs for 7.1 channels? If so, it should be possible to drive the front left/right as well as the Min22 Atmos ceiling speakers using the amp section of the old AVR via the pre-outs of the X4200W.
i am planning to sell my Onkyo to cover some of the expenses for the Denon. but i have an old Yamaha (10 years old?) which i might be able to use for them.
now that i think of it.... you are right that the avr should be able to have analogue inputs. i am not even sure that my onkyo 709 has analogue inputs...... weird. i will try to google search it
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So, I've been playing around with the Min12s and was having some localization issues after set-up. I've tried building some baffles with foam and cardboard to "focus' the sound to the ceiling (as they are set-up as upward firing Atmos speakers currently in a 5.1.2 config). I was hoping that this would be sufficient but I have to say it looks ugly (although it was just a proof of concept) and I'm wondering if I would get better results if I placed them up at the sides as Top Middles. my concern is that running wire will be a PITA as one side is an outside wall, although I do have a fish.
For those of you who hve heard both set-ups in Atmos, is running TM vice upward firing that much better?
Also, Perpendicular, I managed to get a 55"LG B6P for $700 off during the Black Friday sales,so I got my OLED after all. It'll be here shortly after Christmas! Yay!
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So, I've been playing around with the Min12s and was having some localization issues after set-up. I've tried building some baffles with foam and cardboard to "focus' the sound to the ceiling (as they are set-up as upward firing Atmos speakers currently in a 5.1.2 config). I was hoping that this would be sufficient but I have to say it looks ugly (although it was just a proof of concept) and I'm wondering if I would get better results if I placed them up at the sides as Top Middles. my concern is that running wire will be a PITA as one side is an outside wall, although I do have a fish.
For those of you who hve heard both set-ups in Atmos, is running TM vice upward firing that much better?
I would not recommend the Minx as upfiring speakers for Dolby Atmos. The have very wide dispersion and you need a narrow dispersion pattern with Atmos. Only use the Minx as ceiling speakers.

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Glad I stumbled upon this forum. After reading through numerous pages I am convinced that the Minx 22 are what I am leaning to buy.

Question - My current setup is 4 Mythos Gem XL for my L and R fronts and rears and a Mythos 3 center channel that is being pushed by a 7 year old Denon AVR-3310CI. How do the Minx22 stack up against my current set up? Will my receiver be able to maximize the speakers potential?

I need to change my speakers to something smaller since I got a bigger tv and very limited on speakers placement.

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^ If space is the reason for going smaller, the Minx will blend perfectly. I've owned Def Tech speakers in the past and will say you will be stunned by the resolution that the Min 22 presents. Though, depending on your configuration, you will be giving up on some scale with music over having a larger main speaker but with movies, there's not really a problem.
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^ If space is the reason for going smaller, the Minx will blend perfectly. I've owned Def Tech speakers in the past and will say you will be stunned by the resolution that the Min 22 presents. Though, depending on your configuration, you will be giving up on some scale with music over having a larger main speaker but with movies, there's not really a problem.
Perpedicular thanks for the response greatly appreciate it. I know it's more expensive but is there a big difference between the Cambridge Minx 22 and the Morel SoundSpot MT-3?
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I've never heard the Morel. If you value music and you need to use a very small speaker, get the Min 22. If all you do is watch tv and view movies, any good quality satellite speaker should do.
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Ordered the Minx 22 today and excited to get them before the weekend.

Question - Will the Denon AVR-S920W or S720W be adequate enough power to push these speakers? Looks like they run between the 2 receivers 75-90W per channel at 8ohm
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Question - Will the Denon AVR-S920W or S720W be adequate enough power to push these speakers? Looks like they run between the 2 receivers 75-90W per channel at 8ohm
Hi Beginner90503,

If no one has said so, welcome to AVS!

The important thing to remember for the CA Minx series of speakers is that a sub (or better yet a pair of subs) is need to supplement these satellite speakers. The combination of the sub(s) + Min22 will enable the reproduction of the full range of frequencies (20Hz to 20kHz) from the source via your choice of receiver. The method of doing this is called bass management where a crossover frequency is selected and signals above the crossover is sent to the Min22 while signals below the crossover is sent to the more capable sub(s).

Why is this important? Because low frequencies (sometimes referred to as bass) require tremendous amounts of power to fill the room. The mid frequencies and higher treble require much less power. A good rule of thumb is in the order of 2:1.

So by choosing the either the S920W/720W and implementing bass management, you should be able to get to loud level at the Main Listening Position (MLP) without having to worry about power. The choice of the right receiver for you will depend on the features one is looking for - it should not be based on power output of the receiver. The reason being is that to increase the Sound Pressure Level (SPL) at the MLP by just +3dB means increasing the power output of the receiver by 2x! So looking at the specs of the S920W/720W the power difference of 90W vs. 75W is just +0.8dB, this is really a moot point as it will be very hard to hear this much of a difference for most people.

If you're still concerned about power requirements, there are other factors involved such as speaker sensitivity, distance between the speakers to MLP, placement within the room. The following inline app will help you determine the power requirements based on your setup: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

Target is to reach 105dB at the MLP. How much power do you really need for your setup?

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Yes, either one of those AVR's should be fine.
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If no one has said so, welcome to AVS!

The important thing to remember for the CA Minx series of speakers is that a sub (or better yet a pair of subs) is need to supplement these satellite speakers. The combination of the sub(s) + Min22 will enable the reproduction of the full range of frequencies (20Hz to 20kHz) from the source via your choice of receiver. The method of doing this is called bass management where a crossover frequency is selected and signals above the crossover is sent to the Min22 while signals below the crossover is sent to the more capable sub(s).

Why is this important? Because low frequencies (sometimes referred to as bass) require tremendous amounts of power to fill the room. The mid frequencies and higher treble require much less power. A good rule of thumb is in the order of 2:1.

So by choosing the either the S920W/720W and implementing bass management, you should be able to get to loud level at the Main Listening Position (MLP) without having to worry about power. The choice of the right receiver for you will depend on the features one is looking for - it should not be based on power output of the receiver. The reason being is that to increase the Sound Pressure Level (SPL) at the MLP by just +3dB means increasing the power output of the receiver by 2x! So looking at the specs of the S920W/720W the power difference of 90W vs. 75W is just +0.8dB, this is really a moot point as it will be very hard to hear this much of a difference for most people.

If you're still concerned about power requirements, there are other factors involved such as speaker sensitivity, distance between the speakers to MLP, placement within the room. The following inline app will help you determine the power requirements based on your setup: http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

Target is to reach 105dB at the MLP. How much power do you really need for your setup?
Steveting99 thanks for the welcome. I think I was left scratching my head after reading your post..In a good way.. I don't need a lot of features. It will really for movies and I am NOT a hardcore set up guy right now. Here is some basic information about my setup

Hookups will be - Tivo, TV, Blu-Ray and Amazon Fire TV
M5300-PM Panamax outlet
Adding Subwoofer - MartinLogan Dynamo 700w

My room is not that big probably 16ft x 16ft

My results came back as the following in order

18.8dB Gain from amplifier
-12.6dB Loss due to dispersion
7dB Gain from sonic reinforement
3dB Gain from placement
104.1dB SPL at listening position

Stupid question, so I can input these results into a receiver?

Thank you really for the detailed explanation. A lot of peeps probably don't want to repeat the same ol story but appreciat your time in doing so.

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Steveting99 thanks for the welcome. I think I was left scratching my head after reading your post..In a good way.. I don't need a lot of features. It will really for movies and I am NOT a hardcore set up guy right now. Here is some basic information about my setup

Hookups will be - Tivo, TV, Blu-Ray and Amazon Fire TV
M5300-PM Panamax outlet
Adding Subwoofer - MartinLogan Dynamo 700w

My room is not that big probably 16ft x 16ft
To get an idea of the room volume, what is the floor to ceiling height? Is the listening room open to other rooms? If so, then that volume needs to be taken into consideration.

The Martin Logan Dynamo 700w is a sealed 10" driver and comes with a wireless connection. Placement of the sub is important as it will give you the best bass response within your room. Once you get the sub, carry out the sub crawl test to identify some good locations and choose one that sounds the best to you. The following YouTube video by Axiom Audio will walk you through it.

For initial settings on the Martin Logan Dynamo 700w, the Level should be around 12 o'clock, phase=0 deg, Crossover = Bypass (LFE in). If using a cable connect to LFE In.

Generally the Martin Logan Dynamo 700w should be placed close to where the Min22 are to minimize localization, but it will depend on your sub crawl response.

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...My results came back as the following in order

18.8dB Gain from amplifier
-12.6dB Loss due to dispersion
7dB Gain from sonic reinforement
3dB Gain from placement
104.1dB SPL at listening position

Stupid question, so I can input these results into a receiver?

Thank you really for the detailed explanation. A lot of peeps probably don't want to repeat the same ol story but appreciat your time in doing so.
You don't need to input any results into the receiver. Your chosen receiver comes with an auto-calibration feature. Use it (with the supplied mic) to set the correct dB levels and distances for each speaker. If you have a tripod or boom stand mic, it will provide a more consistent result. If you don't have either of these, use the supplied 'rocket ship' cardboard cutout that comes with the packaging.

Just out of curiosity, what is the distance between the Min22 and the Main Listening Position (MLP)? Are you planning to mount the Min22 close the wall? If so, what is the distance?

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To get an idea of the room volume, what is the floor to ceiling height? Is the listening room open to other rooms? If so, then that volume needs to be taken into consideration.

The Martin Logan Dynamo 700w is a sealed 10" driver and comes with a wireless connection. Placement of the sub is important as it will give you the best bass response within your room. Once you get the sub, carry out the sub crawl test to identify some good locations and choose one that sounds the best to you. The following YouTube video by Axiom Audio will walk you through it.
Axiom Audio

For initial settings on the Martin Logan Dynamo 700w, the Level should be around 12 o'clock, phase=0 deg, Crossover = Bypass (LFE in). If using a cable connect to LFE In.

Generally the Martin Logan Dynamo 700w should be placed close to where the Min22 are to minimize localization, but it will depend on your sub crawl response.



You don't need to input any results into the receiver. Your chosen receiver comes with an auto-calibration feature. Use it (with the supplied mic) to set the correct dB levels and distances for each speaker. If you have a tripod or boom stand mic, it will provide a more consistent result. If you don't have either of these, use the supplied 'rocket ship' cardboard cutout that comes with the packaging.

Just out of curiosity, what is the distance between the Min22 and the Main Listening Position (MLP)? Are you planning to mount the Min22 close the wall? If so, what is the distance?
it's messy right now cause I am waiting for my new tv stand. So before you laugh let me explain I don't have a lot of room. The minx will lay horizontal L and R and center under the TV. I have not though about how to hang them yet. As you can see, I don't have a lot of room in the front for the sub so will need to do the crawl for the back or the sides
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it's messy right now cause I am waiting for my new tv stand. So before you laugh let me explain I don't have a lot of room. The minx will lay horizontal L and R and center under the TV. I have not though about how to hang them yet. As you can see, I don't have a lot of room in the front for the sub so will need to do the crawl for the back or the sides
CA sells brackets to hang the Min22 off the wall, so you might want to look into that.

Understand the space limitation, as I'm living in an apartment and have to make do with what been given to me. Make the most of it and try to think outside the box. The purpose is to make the sound experience as good as possible. As the saying goes, where there is a will, there is a way.

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Sounds like lots of folks have the same idea... using the Minx Min 22 for ATMOS ceiling mounted speakers. I'm seriously considering this, along with Paradigm MilleniaOne speakers.

Here's my setup, and I'd appreciate any advice/comments from those of you that have gone ahead of me with Minx speakers!

The overall system will be mid-high end, Polk Audio LSiM 705, 703, 702, 706c for the main 7 channels. Bag End Infrasub 18, Yamaha pre & amp with 150w/ch. Want some overhead speakers that will fit in for a 7.1.4 layout. The room is relatively small, 10 wide x 17 long, has lower ceilings (7'8" in front row, 6' 10" for rear row after riser). My plan is to mount speakers on the ceiling horizontally, aimed toward the listening positions. I don't want to do in-ceiling speakers due to soundproofing for the floor above.

My fears about using the Minx 22 in this capacity are as follows:
1) My sub doesn't come close to getting up to 150hz (docs say 95hz max... but as low as 8hz!)
2) Not sure if the Minx will be loud enough (though it will be pretty close to the listening positions due to lower ceiling heights)
3) Not sure if the Minx will sound good enough to match the rest of my setup (though from all that I read on here, it sure might, that's why I'm considering it!)

Why I like the idea of the Minx 22:
1) Smallest speaker that could have great sound (not be too big of an eyesore on a lower ceiling)
2) I noticed that Cambridge Audio now has the 22 listed for $150 on its website instead of $199... so that'd save me a chunk of money over the Paradigms which are $400-$500 a pair depending on where you buy them.

I look forward to your feedback!

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After being absent for a while, I see there is still some confusion regarding the Minx satellite speakers.

The whole idea of the second driver (or BMR) added to the Min 22 which is absent with a Min 12 is to allow a bit more mid-bass bloom which will produce a more fuller sound. Not to allow the speaker to play a lower frequency range. You can only derive so much out of a 2 1/4" driver, no matter what the crossover design of the speaker is. Therefore, I do not recommend a crossover setting lower than 140-150 Hz for either the Min 12 or Min 22 (this recommendation equates to previous models too). If the subwoofer you are using does not play cleanly up to 150 Hz, you need another sub. Otherwise, you will creature a gap in the 120-150 Hz range.

As far as using additional speakers for effects with codecs such as Dolby Atmos, DTS:X, use the Min 12 as there shouldn't be any benefit using the larger Min 22 unless in larger spaces.

Getting back to what I stated earlier about subwoofers and the Minx satellite speakers. I'm not saying that you cannot create a satisfying experience using a subwoofer other than the Minx X series. You may need to work harder at getting it to blend properly, etc.
Hi Perpendicular

Just to clarify, does your advice regarding the 140-150 Hz crossover setting for the min 22's also apply when paired with the minx 301 sub which suggests a crossover of around 130 Hz on the sub itself?
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Hey all - I purchased (4) Minx Min 22's to hang from the ceiling for ATMOS... my plans have changed and I am now going to install in-ceiling speakers instead.

If anyone is interested in these (two NIB unopened, two open box tested for 2 days) I'll be happy to give them a deal - PM me!

I didn't think I'd be able to do in ceiling, but now I can, so no need to have speakers hanging from the ceiling. They do have a clean crisp sound!
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