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Ongoing information for the Cambridge Audio Minx Systems.
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Minx Speaker & Subwoofer Models:

Min 10 Speaker

Frequency Response: 140Hz-20kHz
Power Handling: 15-50W Recommended
Drive units: 1 x 2.25" BMR
Dimensions (H x W x D): 78 x 78 x 85mm (3.1 x 3.1 x 3.3")
Weight: 0.43kg (0.95lbs)
Available Finishes: High gloss black & High gloss white

Min 11 Speaker (Second Generation Model)


Frequency Response: 120Hz-20kHz
Power Handling: 25-200W*
Sensitivity: 85dB (2.83 Vrms input)
Drive units: 1 x 2.25" BMR
Dimensions (H x W x D): 78 x 78 x 85mm (3.1 x 3.1 x 3.3")
Weight: 0.42kg (0.93lbs)
Available Finishes: High gloss black & High gloss white

 

* Using a high powered amplifier lower down its volume scale results in lower distortion and better sound. Of course if you hear a distorted sound or mechanical ‘crack’ as the speakers hit their end stops, you are playing the speakers too loud and this may cause damage. With an AVR the Min11/21 speakers should be set to ‘small’ with a crossover frequency of 140Hz. In this configuration, power handling is considerable increased.

Min 20 Speaker

Frequency Response: 130Hz-20kHz
Power Handling: 15-75W Recommended
Drive units: 2 x 2.25" BMR
Dimensions (H x W x D): 154 x78 x 85mm (6.0 x 3.1 x 3.3")
Weight: 0.75kg (1.65lbs)
Available Finishes: High gloss black & High gloss white

Min 21 Speaker (Second Generation Model)

Frequency Response: 120Hz-20kHz
Power Handling: 25-200W*
Sensitivity: 87dB (2.83 Vrms input)
Drive units: 1 x 2.25" BMR + 1 x 2.25" Longthrow Woofer
Dimensions (H x W x D): 154 x78 x 85mm (6.0 x 3.1 x 3.3")
Weight: 0.85kg (1.88lbs)
Available Finishes: High gloss black & High gloss white

 

* Using a high powered amplifier lower down its volume scale results in lower distortion and better sound. Of course if you hear a distorted sound or mechanical ‘crack’ as the speakers hit their end stops, you are playing the speakers too loud and this may cause damage. With an AVR the Min11/21 speakers should be set to ‘small’ with a crossover frequency of 140Hz. In this configuration, power handling is considerable increased.

X500 subwoofer

Power Output: 500W rms
Frequency Response: 23Hz (-6dB) - 200Hz
Crossover: Active - variable 50Hz-200Hz
Drive units: 1 x 10" subwoofer / 1 x 10" passive radiator
Dimensions (H x W x D): 365 x 320 x 350mm (14.3 x 12.6 x 13.8")
Weight: 11.7Kg (25.8lbs)
Finishes: High gloss black & High gloss white

X300 subwoofer

Power Output: 300W rms
Frequency Response: 33Hz (-6dB) - 200Hz
Crossover: Active - variable 50Hz-200Hz
Drive units: 1 x 8" subwoofer / 1 x 8" passive radiator
Speaker Dimensions (H x W x D) 311 x 266 x 278mm (12.4 x 10.5 x 11.0")
Weight: 7.5Kg (16.5lbs)
Finishes: High gloss black & High gloss white

X200 subwoofer

Power Output: 200W rms
Frequency Response: 39Hz (-6dB) - 200Hz
Crossover: Active - variable 50Hz-200Hz
Drive units: 1 x 6.5" subwoofer / 2 x 6.5" passive radiators
Dimensions (H x W x D): 219 x 210 x 222mm (8.6 x 8.3 x 8.7")
Weight: 5.0Kg (11.0lbs)
Finishes: High gloss black & High gloss white
 

 

Frequency Test Files that one can download to place on a Hard/Flash drive to test their satellites and/or subwoofer (Caution: play at low levels so as to not damage your satellite speakers):

 

http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm



Official Minx Website:

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/series.php?SID=94

 

 

White Paper On Balanced Mode Radiator Design:

 

 

 

BMR_White_Paper.pdf 912k .pdf file

 

 

 


Previews:

http://www.howtospendit.com/#/articl...speaker-system

http://www.t3.com/news/cambridge-aud...aunches?=49319


Reviews:

 

S325v2: http://www.hometheater.com/content/cambridge-audio-minx-s325v2-speaker-system

 

S222? (Dutch review translated in English for a pair of Min 21's + X200 Subwoofer)http://www.google.com/translate?langpair=nl|en&u=http://www.alpha-audio.nl/2012/02/cambridge-audio-minx-min-21/


S212: http://www.thehifijournal.com/review...Desktop-system

S215: http://www.hometheater.com/content/c...speaker-system (Includes Measurements)

S215: http://hometheater.about.com/od/loud...uct-Review.htm

S215: http://hometheater.about.com/od/loud...to-Profile.htm (Supplementary Photo Profile & Measurements via Robert Silva's Anthem Room Correction System measured by the Anthem Room Correction System)

S215: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/art...inx-215-system (Includes Measurements)

S215: http://www.whathifi.com/review/cambr...udio-minx-s215

 

S215: http://www.whathifi.com/review/cambr...-minx-s215-new (Min 11 Review June 2012 Issue)

S215: http://www.cnet.com.au/cambridge-aud...-339310461.htm

S315: http://www.dvd-home-theater.org/camb...dio-minx-s315/

S325: http://www.avguide.com/review/cambri...system-tpv-102

S325: http://hometheaterreview.com/cambrid...stem-reviewed/

S325: http://www.trustedreviews.com/cambri...ew#reviewStart

S325: http://www.whathifi.com/review/cambr...udio-minx-s325

S325: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...-950843/review

S325: http://www.e-gear.com/article/review...00-subwoofer/1

S325: http://www.tone.co.nz/reviews/home-t...peakers-review
 

 

Comparison Reviews (so far):

 

A Min 20 review comparing the Min 10 (Dutch review translated in English): http://www.google.com/translate?langpair=nl%7Cen&u=http://www.alpha-audio.nl/2011/03/cambridge-audio-minx-min20/

 


A nice article asking to "Respect The Minx" with specs and info:

http://www.avguide.com/article/cambr...spect-the-minx


Chris Marten's Blog regarding BMR (Balanced Mode Radiator) drivers:

http://www.avguide.com/blog/radical-...fferent-better

The Perfect Vision Editor's Choice "Greatest Value" Category: http://www.avguide.com/review/the-pe...ems-under-2500
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I spent weeks and hundreds of hours researching all kinds of satellite loudspeakers. It came down to about half a dozen on my list, which quickly turned into 3 models. The Min 10's were always at the top. The technology is something that I've been very interested in. How does a company come up with a 3 inch speaker containing a 2.25 inch driver and make it sound so good? Believe me, I had my reservations, even with all the reviews I could find on them. So, needless to say, I was curious enough for a purchase. I wanted to find a merchant that I could return them to, easily, if I didn't find them satisfying enough. A merchant just happen to be selling some through Amazon. By the time I went to make a purchase, there were only 3 left in black, the color that is a must-have. Yesterday, I spent a total of over 14 hours with the Min 10's. The first 3 hours were setting them up. After much thought about where to place them in my small 15 x 19 foot room, I had in my mind that I wanted to attach them directly to my 2006 42" Panasonic Plasma television to have them out of the way and to hide my speaker wires. So, that's exactly what I did. I used my own Sunfire True Subwoofer for frequencies below 150 hz and set it up on some footers, on the top shelf, underneath the center channel. I set it up this way for best overall blending. Yes, blending was good but not perfect due to some thinning in certain frequencies between the satellites and sub. Next week, I might try to set it on the floor to the right or left of my entertainment rack, to see if it hurts the sound quality. After all, these speakers are missing the low end.

The first thing I did after set up is run about two hours of frequency signals to help break in the drivers, since, a couple of professional reviewers recommended it as mandatory (these two reviews I mention below). While doing so, I played about 5 seconds of a male voice talking. At that point, I was taken aback just how good they sounded even without my subwoofer hook up and playing along. After that, I started playing music (along with the sub connected) and from the first song, had a big smile on my face that I made the right choice in choosing the Minx. Compared to all micro sized loudspeakers, these are the best I've ever had the chance to hear in my system or in a demo in some store. For comparison, the Orb's that I had before them (from memory) these were far better in the area of wide dispersion, soundstaging and imaging. Also, the highs were there compare to the ceiling the Orb's gave. Between the two brands, the Minx played louder without any congestion. What struck me immediately was how clear everything is, especially, the midrange fequencies. Overall, they are a keeper.

The two reviews that I liked the most are from Home Theater Magazine & The Perfect Vision. These two reviews gave me a sense of what I was about to experience. The former is regarding the Min 10's and the latter the Min 20's. Basically, they possess the same overall sound quality. I opted for the less expensive Min 10 because I felt that I wanted to go as small as possible without any limitations. I'm curious about the Min 20 but I'm concerned about what they are using to roll off that second driver. I prefer designs without any type of crossover. At some point I might just add another Min 10 to each channel but knowing me, I'll probably end up with front heights and front wides someday.

Hopefully, tonight, I'll test out some movies. Any questions are welcomed.
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I only tested one movie the other night and it was a DVD Drama called "Every Night". Although, clear sounding, the Min 10's didn't sound that good. I don't know if it was the movie soundtrack (most likely) or the speakers not quite broken in but they sounded hollow. I want to play some BD movies to further hear the sound quality.

So far, I have almost 20 hours on the main speakers and about half that on the Center. While listening to music the other night in stereo, I switched over to DPLII mode. This is the first time since having matrix surround capability that I enjoyed just two speakers. Normally, I enjoy the sound more with DPLII with other previous speaker brands, even without the rear channels. More to come.

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Play with your subwoofer placement doing subwoofer crawl

Check the eq on your receiver... Some times off is better make sure the proper crossovers are set too. Try a blu ray like avatar or master and commander, or tron.
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I moved my sub to the ground tonight and re-did my calibration. Watched a DVD of "The King's Speech". Sound was very good with 22 hours of burn-in time, and counting. I plan to run some tests tomorrow to see how well they are performing with over 20 hours break-in time on them.

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I moved my sub to the ground tonight and re-did my calibration. Watched a DVD of "The King's Speech". Sound was very good.

A good move - since the sound of the center, was bouncing off the sub.

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A good move - since the sound of the center, was bouncing off the sub.

Nah, it wasn't too bad but I did want to move the sub back to the floor where it belonged. I had it up there temporarily.
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I'm also interested in these speakers, so it's great that you started this thread.

One thing I've gathered is that these speakers need an ample break-in period, and it's not certain that all reviewers are respecting this fact.

The greatest criticism I've read of them has to do with the mid-to high frequencies, and a certain coldness in the dialogue.

I'm very intrigued by the dispersion of these unorthodox speakers, and so I'll be following this thread closely to see what you come up with.

Whathifi seemed to prefer the model that you purchased over the S325s.

Affordability, great sound, and unobtrusiveness would be a great thing in the midst of this recession.

Did you look at all into Canada's PSB HT2 package?

Keep warming those babies up!
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I'm also interested in these speakers, so it's great that you started this thread.

One thing I've gathered is that these speakers need an ample break-in period, and it's not certain that all reviewers are respecting this fact.

The greatest criticism I've read of them has to do with the mid-to high frequencies, and a certain coldness in the dialogue.

I'm very intrigued by the dispersion of these unorthodox speakers, and so I'll be following this thread closely to see what you come up with.

Whathifi seemed to prefer the model that you purchased over the S325s.

Affordability, great sound, and unobtrusiveness would be a great thing in the midst of this recession.

Did you look at all into Canada's PSB HT2 package?

Keep warming those babies up!

Thanks for Posting! No, I'm not sure what PSB speakers they are.

Yes, still breaking in the Min 10's. I have about 28 hours on them now. With the subwoofer that I'm using, I had to end up with a 100 hz crossover setting in my AVR over the 150 hz that I was using. It only sounds slightly different with 150. I'm sure by adding one of the Cambridge Audio subs will improve things. Overall, I'm happy with what they can do. And what they can do, they do very well, for such a tiny speaker. I'm still going to give them a couple of more weeks of listening sessions before I make my final judgement on whether to keep or send them back.

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Thanks for Posting! No, I'm not sure what PSB speakers they are.

Yes, still breaking in the Min 10's. I have about 28 hours on them now. With the subwoofer that I'm using, I had to end up with a 100 hz crossover setting in my AVR over the 150 hz that I was using. It only sounds slightly different with 150. I'm sure by adding one of the Cambridge Audio subs will improve things. Overall, I'm happy with what they can do. And what they can do, they do very well, for such a tiny speaker. I'm still going to give them a couple of more weeks of listening sessions before I make my final judgement on whether to keep or send them back.

So you weren't using the Cambridge Audio 200 watt subwoofer that is normally mated to the 10's?

PSB is a well respected Canadian speaker company, and their HT2 theatre system, made up of larger speakers, was recommended to me.

It would be interesting to see how the change in subwoofer will affect your appreciation of the Minxes.

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So you weren't using the Cambridge Audio 200 watt subwoofer that is normally mated to the 10's?

No, as I stated in Post #2.

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It would be interesting to see how the change in subwoofer will affect your appreciation of the Minxes.

Someday, I plan to add another subwoofer but for now, mine works just fine.

I have to say this. If anyone purchases a Minx system, one must give it no less than 30 hours for the little titans to start sounding right. They are really starting to sound much better now! As I was approaching the 30 hour mark, they really started to open up, dramatically. I have a theory that I plan to test this weekend. The little grills that are on the front of the speakers are designed well. They sort of screw on/off by a half turn, but because of the way they are made, I'm betting they will sound even more open with the grill off. Stay tuned!

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No, as I stated in Post #2.


Someday, I plan to add another subwoofer but for now, mine works just fine.

I have to say this. If anyone purchases a Minx system, one must give it no less than 30 hours for the little titans to start sounding right. They are really starting to sound much better now! As I was approaching the 30 hour mark, they really started to open up, dramatically. I have a theory that I plan to test this weekend. The little grills that are on the front of the speakers are designed well. They sort of screw on/off by a half turn, but because of the way they are made, I'm betting they will sound even more open with the grill off. Stay tuned!

Yow! You have a powerhouse subwoofer. That thing will dignify any speaker.
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This morning, I had some time and was able to test out my theory regarding the speaker grills. I noticed the speakers impart a hardness to them, and started thinking of the comment "What HiFi Sound & Vision" magazine had stated about the Min 20's in their review for the Minx S325:

"Breaking glass or screeching tyres in The Dark Knight put our teeth on edge a touch, despite a subwoofer that's punchy without spilling out of its corner"

Hmmm. Yes, I was hearing this too on many a song selection and movie viewing. So, this morning I listened to some select tracks of music with the grills on & off of the Min 10's. In general, I've always despised speaker covers/grills. I feel they impart a flavor to whatever your hearing. Although, I've owned a couple of loudspeaker brands that I could not remove the grills on , somehow, I've always felt they were imparting some nastiness to their sound and had better potential. I know, there are/were many loudspeaker models that are tuned so that they would play nice with their grills on. I, for one, do not buy this theory. It's like trying to talk while placing some material over your mouth. It just doesn't sound the same. Removing the grills from the front of the Min 10's is exactly like removing a blanket or veil and allowing these little beauties to sing! There is more air, detail and resolution. The hardness the speakers tended to impart with the grills on have now been reduced significantly. I would bet that none (0) of all the reviewers on these speakers didn't try removing the grills during their review. If they did, I would think they would have stated that fact because they are a much better speaker.

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I just finished watching "The Dark Knight" and "Sting - Live In Berlin", Blu-ray Discs. These are the first compact loudspeakers I've owned where I felt surrounded with absolutely no need for surround channels. They were very clear for movie dialog. Also, the instruments & voices in the concert were so clear that, with my previous couple of sets of brands of loudspeakers (Def Tech & Swan), it was harder for me to hear the female backup (sometimes lead) singer. With the Min 10's, I could hear her breathe. I can't say enough good things about these speakers. They perform incredibly well for such a small design.

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I noticed that I forgot to Post this bit of information:

Since owning the Min 10, I ran my room correction about 5 times. I ran it 4 times and noticed my distance & level read slightly different between the Left & Right channels. I could not figure out why it was doing this because both speakers are exactly the same distance from my listening position. After removing the grills and running RC again, both speakers have the same data. So, if you don't believe that the grills get in the way, try removing them and see for yourselves.

Also, upon removing the grills, I noticed that the Min 10's integrate better with my subwoofer.

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I noticed that I forgot to Post this bit of information:

Since owning the Min 10, I ran my room correction about 5 times. I ran it 4 times and noticed my distance & level read slightly different between the Left & Right channels. I could not figure out why it was doing this because both speakers are exactly the same distance from my listening position. After removing the grills and running RC again, both speakers have the same data. So, if you don't believe that the grills get in the way, try removing them and see for yourselves.

Also, upon removing the grills, I noticed that the Min 10's integrate better with my subwoofer.

I'd be curious what you would think of the Min 20s.

What subwoofer would you mate to these in a medium size room that is clean, but not very expensive?

Do you think in terms of clarity that these compare favorably with larger, more expensive speaker systems? One of the things sales people tell you is that the laws of physics dictate how much you can expect out of a small speaker. I'm not sure that statement is as definitive and true as it sounds.

On the budget side of things, have you heard any of the Andrew Jones Pioneers? Home Theater Magazine had a great review on their HT setup.

Keep up the great, ongoing reviews!
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Do you think in terms of clarity that these compare favorably with larger, more expensive speaker systems? One of the things sales people tell you is that the laws of physics dictate how much you can expect out of a small speaker. I'm not sure that statement is as definitive and true as it sounds.

That are some immutable laws of physics that simply can not be mitigated, regardless of how clever or innovative the engineering. The Min 10 and 20 are very small speakers -- in dimensions and driver size -- so they'll possess some of the inherent shortcomings of the breed, no matter what Cambridge Audio does. It's simply inevitable. However, that being said... ingenuity can overcome certain aspects so elements associated to their diminutive size can be diminished, but that's more like alleviated then eliminated.

From my research it seems the BMR technology they employ is indeed based upon a sound -- no pun intended -- design, so I imagine what Perpendicular said is accurate; for their size they sound amazing (slightly paraphrased). "for their size" being the key words though, because realistic expectations would need to be maintained in order to avoid being disappointed.

While I have your ear, I've got a question for you Perpendicular; as someone who has owned the Orb Audio speakers, how would you compare and contrast the two? Is the Min 10 equivalent to the Mod1 is terms of sound quality, midrange, highs, dispersion, depth, etc? Is one noticeably better then the other, or is it too close to call?

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I'd be curious what you would think of the Min 20s.
What subwoofer would you mate to these in a medium size room that is clean, but not very expensive?

Well, the Min 20 is the same as a Min 10 except for the double driver and a simple crossover set on one of the drivers so that it doesn't play anything above approximately 800-900 hz. Plus, it's only rated 10 hz lower. So, as far as a subwoofer, I wouldn't do anything different if I used a 20 instead of the 10. Personally, I'd rather use two 10's instead. My original goal has been to get something without any type of crossover.

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That are some immutable laws of physics that simply can not be mitigated, regardless of how clever or innovative the engineering. The Min 10 and 20 are very small speakers -- in dimensions and driver size -- so they'll possess some of the inherent shortcomings of the breed, no matter what Cambridge Audio does. It's simply inevitable. However, that being said... ingenuity can overcome certain aspects so elements associated to their diminutive size can be diminished, but that's more like alleviated then eliminated.

From my research it seems the BMR technology they employ is indeed based upon a sound -- no pun intended -- design, so I imagine what Perpendicular said is accurate; for their size they sound amazing (slightly paraphrased). "for their size" being the key words though, because realistic expectations would need to be maintained in order to avoid being disappointed.

I agree with this assessment. The law of physics are just that, but the BMR driver in the Min 10/20 are special. In the last decade, I've gravitated towards smaller satellite designs because many brands have gotten better. The Orbs were a great speaker and I still hold them in high regard but being almost a decade later with no changes to the little Orbs, I wanted to try something different. I would think they would have improved on that 3" driver somewhat. There has always been that ceiling where they could not hit on the higher end of the spectrum. This was a bit bothersome for me. With that in mind, the law of physics came into play, and I wanted more sizzle, dynamics, better midbass, etc. So, I ended up with bigger speakers that were great with movies and so-so with music. Choosing the Minx was a great move for me because I found a lot of the qualities that I admired about the Orb's and Anthony Gallos satellite speakers plus the highs are back and there are dynamics (I kid you not!) that I've never heard in a small driver, let alone, a 2 1/4" one. The BMR driver is REALLY different. I feel, the statement, from one of the sellers of the Min 10 (Audio Advisor), states it perfectly:

"You've probably never heard such accuracy, detail and realism from a speaker as small as the Cambridge Audio Min 10 satellite. It's just over a mere three-inches square. But despite its miniscule dimensions, the Min 10 satellite offers wide dispersion and beautiful sound."

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While I have your ear, I've got a question for you Perpendicular; as someone who has owned the Orb Audio speakers, how would you compare and contrast the two? Is the Min 10 equivalent to the Mod1 is terms of sound quality, midrange, highs, dispersion, depth, etc? Is one noticeably better then the other, or is it too close to call?

They have similar qualities but are different from one another. Since, it's been over a year since I've had the Orb's, I'm going by memory. As I already stated above, what hit me right away was the difference in the treble region and dynamics, when comparing the two designs. Also, I noticed how clear the sound is to any loudspeaker design I've own. I don't have to strain to hear dialog in a movie without having to turn the center channel up, the lyrics to a song and how each instrument is separated from one another. This speaker has depth. Everything is placed on stage in its proper dimension. Scale can sometimes be a tad small. It's NOT an "In Room" soundstage presence. You feel like you are sitting a few rows back from the stage, NOT on top of it. Also, with the Orb's, I felt like I needed rear speakers. Not with the Minx.

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On the budget side of things, have you heard any of the Andrew Jones Pioneers? Home Theater Magazine had a great review on their HT setup.

Yes, I'm a subscriber.
Though, a fun read, the Pioneer system is too big for me.

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One thing I'd like to add that I should have mentioned yesterday is that small satellites have the ability to do what larger speakers can't, and that's create a huge multi-dimensional soundstage. It's been a long time since I've heard a mega-buck loudspeaker. So, I could be wrong in my assessment there.

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One thing I'd like to add that I should have mentioned yesterday is that small satellites have the ability to do what larger speakers can't, and that's create a huge multi-dimensional soundstage. It's been a long time since I've heard a mega-buck loudspeaker. So, I could be wrong in my assessment there.

Interesting point. The advantage of a small simple driver may be the avoidance of interference and phase effects.

The notion that the laws of physics are absolute may be true, but context is important. If your room is 20 x 15 do you need mega speakers to fill the room?

Aside from the size, Perpendicular, have you heard the Pioneers?

How do your speakers sound today?
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The notion that the laws of physics are absolute may be true, but context is important. If your room is 20 x 15 do you need mega speakers to fill the room?

No, the Min 20 would do just fine.

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Aside from the size, Perpendicular, have you heard the Pioneers?

This was answered a couple of Posts back.

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How do your speakers sound today?

Better than the first few hours and even better with the grills removed.

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No, the Min 20 would do just fine.


This was answered a couple of Posts back.


Better than the first few hours and even better with the grills removed.

I understood from your post that the Pioneers were too large for you, not that you hadn't heard them.
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I understood from your post that the Pioneers were too large for you, not that you hadn't heard them.

Sorry, I phrased it wrong.
Yes, I've read the review.
No, haven't heard them.

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If your room is 20 x 15 do you need mega speakers to fill the room?

I Posted another review that I forgot about. It's from CNET Australia and in it (the review of the S215 system which uses five Min 10's), he tested in a 4 X 7 meter room which equates to approximately 16 X 23 Feet.

Also, in this review, he stated that they didn't dare try and crank the system up to "Reference Level". Maybe, he should have.

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I Posted another review that I forgot about. It's from CNET Australia and in it (the review of the S215 system which uses five Min 10's), he tested in a 4 X 7 meter room which equates to approximately 16 X 23 Feet.

Also, in this review, he stated that they didn't dare try and crank the system up to "Reference Level". Maybe, he should have.
I'm intrigued by both the Minx series, and the Pioneers. In either case I would go with a different subwoofer. How well does your subwoofer blend with the Cambridge Audios, not just crossover-wise but tonally?
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How well does your subwoofer blend with the Cambridge Audios, not just crossover-wise but tonally?
I can't complain cause it's sounding darn good!

My plan is to add two more subwoofers that play in the 50-150 hz area.

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My plan is to add two more subwoofers that play in the 50-150 hz area.
So you're going to have 3 Min 10's trying to keep up with 3 subwoofers? Guess you like bass, huh? Hope you have a good relationship with your neighbors...

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So you're going to have 3 Min 10's trying to keep up with 3 subwoofers? Guess you like bass, huh? Hope you have a good relationship with your neighbors...
It helps when you have good neighbors plus live in a house.

In all seriousness, my plan is to add a couple of smaller subs, probably the X300 or equivalent, and have the Sunfire play the frequencies below 50 hz and the other two above 50 hz. Who knows?? By then, I may have new speakers.

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