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I know this is crazy and I'm trying to help a friend out. Is it possible to buy a 7.1 speaker set plus an AVR for $600-700? I'm trying to see if you can do better than the Onkyo HTIB that sells for $600 on Amazon. What do you guys think?
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I wouldn't necessarily go with HTIB. Spend on speakers and get a cheap AVR for now. You could start with 3.1 or 2.1 and expand later. However, I guess you could opt for one of the Jamo home theater speaker packages and a Denon 1612. That should be within your budget. From what I understand, Jamo offers pretty decent sound quality on a budget.

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I wouldn't necessarily go with HTIB. Spend on speakers and get a cheap AVR for now. You could start with 3.1 or 2.1 and expand later. However, I guess you could opt for one of the Jamo home theater speaker packages and a Denon 1612. That should be within your budget. From what I understand, Jamo offers pretty decent sound quality on a budget.
Unfortunately my friend does not want to do less speakers now and spend more later. It's kinda all or nothing. Would you say Jamo is better than a HTIB?
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I know this is crazy and I'm trying to help a friend out. Is it possible to buy a 7.1 speaker set plus an AVR for $600-700? I'm trying to see if you can do better than the Onkyo HTIB that sells for $600 on Amazon. What do you guys think?
This could be a good option. I have not heard this, but this seems like a fair price for a THX certified setup. Mind it is factory refurb, but I have had my Onkyo for about six months from this site and have no problems so far.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...Package/1.html
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I wouldn't necessarily go with HTIB. Spend on speakers and get a cheap AVR for now. You could start with 3.1 or 2.1 and expand later. However, I guess you could opt for one of the Jamo home theater speaker packages and a Denon 1612. That should be within your budget. From what I understand, Jamo offers pretty decent sound quality on a budget.
Well a 5.1 set is possible in that budget but 7.1 is a tall order and in fact it's rare that his room can support 7.1 setup.... Most movies are still 5.1 to...

What are the specifics of this guys room?(LxWxH) Does he consider himself an audiophile?

$700 on receiver wont get you much.

Denon avr-591(last years model)
Polk monitor 30's two pairs
Polk CS1 center
Polk psw10 subwoofer

Or the Jamo s606 hcs3 5.0 speaker set from vanns.com with the denon avr-591 he can add a subwoofer later if he chooses
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With that much budget I'd hit the used market...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Onkyo-TX-SR607-H...item19c61551ad (there is one with an opening bid of $219, if this guys reserve is anything over $225, he's not going to sell it. I personally would never pay more than $200)

If we knew where you were, we could give you some CL advise...
Some gems in my area...
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/ele/2422386703.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/ele/2422291933.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/ele/2422153395.html

There is also a used receiver with the Jamo A340PDD.5(under $250 last I checked) and add another pair of Jamo to make 7.1...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Jamo-660CS-Main-...item2a11278024
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This could be a good option. I have not heard this, but this seems like a fair price for a THX certified setup. Mind it is factory refurb, but I have had my Onkyo for about six months from this site and have no problems so far.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...Package/1.html
I think you nailed it with that system....he should be happy with that...:-) I was searching myself and with his budget that would be the best option

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Personally, I would go with 5.1. You can spend more on SL/SR speakers taking out SBL/SBR channels. I know some BDs have 7.1 listed but this is usually 5.1 mixed to 7.1 having the SBL/SBR channels the same as SL/SR.
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Unfortunately my friend does not want to do less speakers now and spend more later. It's kinda all or nothing. Would you say Jamo is better than a HTIB?
does your friend have his room properly setup for 7.1? If his couch is on the back wall you can't implement 7.1 properly. better off to go with a 5.1 setup.

Either way I'd recommend a seperate receiver and then a 5.1 speaker system from someone other than Onkyo. Onkyo speakers have never impressed me.

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does your friend have his room properly setup for 7.1? If his couch is on the back wall you can't implement 7.1 properly. better off to go with a 5.1 setup.

Either way I'd recommend a seperate receiver and then a 5.1 speaker system from someone other than Onkyo. Onkyo speakers have never impressed me.

That is a good point as I am pretty sure not everyone understands how 7.1 should actually be set up. I really do not have much experience with Onkyo speakers, but if this is for a beginner I thought I would throw that Onkyo THX system at him.
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It's going to be pretty hard to go with this unless it's HTIB. If he doesn't want HTIB and can save up a bit more, best to look at used or older models. If he can go up to 800, he can get:

Onkyo TX-SR608 - http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR508...7383376&sr=8-6

Polk Audio CS1 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-210-_-Product
2 x Polk Audio Monitor 30 sets - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-200-_-Product
2 x Polk Audio Monitor 50 floorstanding - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-204-_-Product

And then a BIC America f12 sub for another $260 http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F1...7383618&sr=1-2

it would come out to about $1,070 but would be worth it.

Otherwise, the system smigro posted would be the best bet for that price range

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So first off my friend is a she and no she is not an audiophile but I am and I'm trying very hard to get her to spend more on the HT but the sound system isn't her priority. That's why her budget is so low. She has already eyed the Onkyo 7300 series HTIB for $600 on Amazon but I was hoping I could get her a better sounding setup than a HTIB. I think for the sub I'd want to go with the $150 Bic as it sounds like a good price vs performance. Btw I don't know the exact size of her room but back of the living room opens to the kitchen and the left opens to the dining room with half walls. If I were to guess it would be at least 23' x 16' only adding the dining room and living room. And the ceiling is probably 9'. As far as hook ups for speakers, it's a new house and I helped her plan the wiring so she has 8 wall hook ups all around the walls for 7.1.

Thanks for all the responses so far. I knew this was going to be very tough but wanted to ask the community what they thought. She definitely will not want to buy used so that's out if the question. I will take a look at all the links you've provided.
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Here's what I did, and I've been very happy with the results:

Denon AVR-1911 $380
Micca M-8S in-wall speakers R/C/L @ $40ea $120
Micca M-6S in-wall speakers S/R @30 ea $120
Bic V-1220 12" sub @$180

As you can see with fairly cheap (Miccas are Polk knock offs) components it still came to $800 and I had to build soffits for the Surrounds and rear channels. HTIB may be a better solution for your friend. Why try to push something on her, because you think she should do better? I'd say she'd be very happy with the Onkyo 7300 series. She could do a lot worse.

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Well, "we" didn't know she was of the fairer sex when this started...

Anyway...

If used is out of the question, and 7.1 is a must, HTiB is about all there is. Between Yamaha and Onkyo there is one that will fit the budget.

Even this option almost busts the budget...
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH820-...7464921&sr=1-1 (have not played with a Sony receiver in ages, have no idea how good it is)
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-B1000-...7464993&sr=1-1 (these actually get decent reviews...get 3 pairs)
or get one of the bigger ones for the front and 2 pairs of the 1000
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-B3000-...7464993&sr=1-2 (or)
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSF-5000-...7464993&sr=1-6
with
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-CN5000...d_bxgy_e_img_b
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http://www.amazon.com/BIC-V1020-Down...7465134&sr=1-1 (or its 12" brother)
Tally is about $660 with the V1020 and 3 pairs of B1000.

I would have no qualms with that set-up for a $600 budget. It would embarrass the Onkyo 63/7300

Even if you were to pick a Denon/Yamaha/Onkyo 7.1 receiver...I would still take those Sony speakers over a HTiB.
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Well, "we" didn't know she was of the fairer sex when this started...

Anyway...

If used is out of the question, and 7.1 is a must, HTiB is about all there is. Between Yamaha and Onkyo there is one that will fit the budget.

Even this option almost busts the budget...
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH820-...7464921&sr=1-1 (have not played with a Sony receiver in ages, have no idea how good it is)
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-B1000-...7464993&sr=1-1 (these actually get decent reviews...get 3 pairs)
or get one of the bigger ones for the front and 2 pairs of the 1000
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-B3000-...7464993&sr=1-2 (or)
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SSF-5000-...7464993&sr=1-6
with
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-CN5000...d_bxgy_e_img_b
and
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-V1020-Down...7465134&sr=1-1 (or its 12" brother)
Tally is about $660 with the V1020 and 3 pairs of B1000.

I would have no qualms with that set-up for a $600 budget. It would embarrass the Onkyo 63/7300

Even if you were to pick a Denon/Yamaha/Onkyo 7.1 receiver...I would still take those Sony speakers over a HTiB.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound bad with my statement. After I re-read it, it sounded wrong. Just meant to say it's a she and she had different priorities.

I liked the Polk Audio setup and while it was more, I'm trying to talk her into it. How do those Polks sound? I haven't heard them so I don't know.
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I have a Pioneer VSX-920-K and am very satisfied. It's a 7.1 receiver with over 100 watts RMS per channel and it's very affordable. I got mine for $225. After that all you'd need is speakers and you'd have a much bigger sum to work with if you get a cheap but decent receiver, especially if she's not THAT big into speakers

But if there is a strict budget, I'd stick with Smigro's comment and get that Onkyo set. Onkyo doesn't really specialize in speakers as much as receivers, but your friend would still notice a huge difference having a full 7.1 system after apparently not having anything significant in the sound department

For those looking into getting Energy speakers, or upgrading their current Energy setup, here are some reviews I've written that may help:http://www.tempestaudio.blogspot.com  (haven't updated in a while, but include Energy Take Classic 5.1, RC-10, CF-70, and CC-10)

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I have a Pioneer VSX-920-K and am very satisfied. It's a 7.1 receiver with over 100 watts RMS per channel and it's very affordable. I got mine for $225. After that all you'd need is speakers and you'd have a much bigger sum to work with if you get a cheap but decent receiver, especially if she's not THAT big into speakers

But if there is a strict budget, I'd stick with Smigro's comment and get that Onkyo set. Onkyo doesn't really specialize in speakers as much as receivers, but your friend would still notice a huge difference having a full 7.1 system after apparently not having anything significant in the sound department

Ok, thanks for the input. I'll look into that.
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Read this thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1339236

Granted my budget is a LOT higher, the principle remains the same. There is no "wrong" choice in speakers. There is what you like, and the price you are willing to pay.

That is why I suggested the Sony speakers to begin with. They are inexpensive, but they are NOT cheap. At the "low end" of speaker prices you have pretty much three choices(unless you want to go the parts express DIY route)...

Sony SS series.
Polk Monitor(Monitor II is a Newegg exclusive of unknown time frame, could be this year, could be for the next decade) while they are on closeout.
BIC DV series.

After those three, the prices go up in a hurry.
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I know this is crazy and I'm trying to help a friend out. Is it possible to buy a 7.1 speaker set plus an AVR for $600-700? I'm trying to see if you can do better than the Onkyo HTIB that sells for $600 on Amazon. What do you guys think?

This is just one thought:

Four sets of Energy CB-5's the next time they go on sale. Three sets for the front, and the two sets of surrounds speakers, plus one of the remaining pair for a center.

BIC F-12 Sub.

Refurbed Onkyo 508. The Fourth of July is right around the corner, so ShopOnkyo should have a sale on all their refurbed products.

That is under $700.
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This is just one thought:

Four sets of Energy CB-5's the next time they go on sale. Three sets for the front, and the two sets of surrounds speakers, plus one of the remaining pair for a center.

BIC F-12 Sub.

Refurbed Onkyo 508. The Fourth of July is right around the corner, so ShopOnkyo should have a sale on all their refurbed products.

That is under $700.

That's a good suggestion. Thanks.
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Read this thread...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1339236

Granted my budget is a LOT higher, the principle remains the same. There is no "wrong" choice in speakers. There is what you like, and the price you are willing to pay.

That is why I suggested the Sony speakers to begin with. They are inexpensive, but they are NOT cheap. At the "low end" of speaker prices you have pretty much three choices(unless you want to go the parts express DIY route)...

Sony SS series.
Polk Monitor(Monitor II is a Newegg exclusive of unknown time frame, could be this year, could be for the next decade) while they are on closeout.
BIC DV series.

After those three, the prices go up in a hurry.

How do the Sony speakers stack up? My impression of Sony speakers aren't very high. I do have some cheap (in price) Sony bookshelves I bought a long time ago that I use for my 2nd TV and I'm not really impressed with them. However, I think my tastes are elevated as I've been spoiled with my main HT. I know this $600-700 budget is not much at all, but I was trying to see what people would buy in this range other than HTIBs. But if you guys are saying that the only way to get 7.1 is with HTIB for the price range my friend is looking to spend, then maybe that's just how it is. I was hoping some ID company would be able to best a HTIB for a great price like some of the ID subwoofer companies do.
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For party music speakers Sony's SS current line do great, They aren't that bad over all but the quality of Sony is no where near speakers them made 1990 and earlier.(I own the Sony SS-TL5 4way and consider them the last latest and greatest from Sony) my fraternity house has the SS-B3000 which were great for parties back ground music with plenty of bass. For close listening I'll take my Polk Monitor 30's Series ii any day. Sony's are great value for money though and don't sound horrendous I just preferred my Monitor 30's with my cheap polk subwoofer over the SS-B3000
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For party music speakers Sony's SS current line do great, They aren't that bad over all but the quality of Sony is no where near speakers them made 1990 and earlier.(I own the Sony SS-TL5 4way and consider them the last latest and greatest from Sony) my fraternity house has the SS-B3000 which were great for parties back ground music with plenty of bass. For close listening I'll take my Polk Monitor 30's Series ii any day. Sony's are great value for money though and don't sound horrendous I just preferred my Monitor 30's with my cheap polk subwoofer over the SS-B3000

Ok cool. I was waiting for someone to say something about the Polk Monitors. Sounds like they are a good value.
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Honestly, what I'd do(and I did)...

Take a couple of speakers to her place. Take a pair of Monitor 30 and the SS-B1000. Let her decide if the Monitor 30 is worth the "extra" money. To her, if she can't tell a difference...let her buy the Sony.

The Sony is at least $100 less money(over 7 speakers). To you, "$100 bucks is nothing, get the Polk". To her, "The Sony is $100 less money, I can hit the spa twice with the extra money."
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I have the polk monitor 40's and 70's and I love them. I have never tested any other speakers in my house, but I am more than happy with my purchases. I know they aren't the same model that people have suggested but I bet I'd be happy with any of the models in this series.
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