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I'm listening to this speaker as we speaker- well, a beta version that Dennis sold me a couple months ago! I bring this up because I just came from the home of a freind who had some custom Legacy system installed, he has some towers that listed for $5,000/pr (classic Audio HD)and we were listening to dark side of the moon...the Philharmonitors, for music are as good or better than these in any respect I can describe...for music, the Phil can hit as low, plays high with equal clarity, and the midrange dispersion is great for music. Really, the Legacy speakers are capable of much greater volume, but that might have been the only place where there were as good or better than the Phil-BMR!

Not for HT, the Legacy set up my friend has is really good and very dynamic. I am getting the impression that the BMR- midrange dispersion characteristics are best suited to music. Not saying they aren't good for HT, but a more directional midrange driver is better when you want a particular sound to be localized.
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I'm listening to this speaker as we speaker- well, a beta version that Dennis sold me a couple months ago! I bring this up because I just came from the home of a freind who had some custom Legacy system installed, he has some towers that listed for $5,000/pr (classic Audio HD)and we were listening to dark side of the moon...the Philharmonitors, for music are as good or better than these in any respect I can describe...for music, the Phil can hit as low, plays high with equal clarity, and the midrange dispersion is great for music. Really, the Legacy speakers are capable of much greater volume, but that might have been the only place where there were as good or better than the Phil-BMR!

Not for HT, the Legacy set up my friend has is really good and very dynamic. I am getting the impression that the BMR- midrange dispersion characteristics are best suited to music. Not saying they aren't good for HT, but a more directional midrange driver is better when you want a particular sound to be localized.
That's possible. I've never tried the BMR's in home theater. They're really not meant for that. You always have to make trade-offs, and what I was aiming for was a stereo pair optimized for music with a capable amplifier and without a subwoofer. Otherwise, there would be no reason to trade off sensitivity for bass extension. On the other hand, I can't think of any particular reason why the BMR's would fail to localize sound unless they were placed very close to a side wall, where reflections from the broad radiation pattern might confuse the image.
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Thanks. I guess this means you have someone helping. The last time I ordered those Philharmonitors years ago, we were talking months.
I do have full-time help now. But I don't recall the original Philharmonitor orders taking that long. Del Won was cutting the baffles. But I don't remember a lot of stuff.
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That's possible. I've never tried the BMR's in home theater. They're really not meant for that. You always have to make trade-offs, and what I was aiming for was a stereo pair optimized for music with a capable amplifier and without a subwoofer. Otherwise, there would be no reason to trade off sensitivity for bass extension. On the other hand, I can't think of any particular reason why the BMR's would fail to localize sound unless they were placed very close to a side wall, where reflections from the broad radiation pattern might confuse the image.
Dennis, I don't know, but just made this observation...the Phil BMR, way better than my EMPtek speakers in a music only setting, but not way better in my HT setting...

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Dennis,

Do you plan to show the new Phil BMR at CAF this year?
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Dennis,

Do you plan to show the new Phil BMR at CAF this year?
I might still cave and do the show--in which case the BMR will be there. But I wasn't very happy with last year's show. Only one reviewer was willing to come into the ID rooms, and he never got a show review published.
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Personally, I hope you will be there (I missed the past couple years).
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I do have full-time help now. But I don't recall the original Philharmonitor orders taking that long. Del Won was cutting the baffles. But I don't remember a lot of stuff.
fwiw, your memory isn't half bad, haha! i purchased the last pair of the dayton audio .75 cu. ft. curved back philharmonitors you made back in 2012. deposit was made on 8/29 and speakers were delivered across the country to my door on 10/5, and that timeframe included a little hiccup b/c one of the fountek tweeters you received was defective.

still enjoying my speakers to this day, and i'm always surfing this thread with an itch to buy more "stuff," haha!
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I might still cave and do the show--in which case the BMR will be there. But I wasn't very happy with last year's show. Only one reviewer was willing to come into the ID rooms, and he never got a show review published.
Well, as I will be at RMAF, I vote you show there! :-)

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fwiw, your memory isn't half bad, haha! i purchased the last pair of the dayton audio .75 cu. ft. curved back philharmonitors you made back in 2012. deposit was made on 8/29 and speakers were delivered across the country to my door on 10/5, and that timeframe included a little hiccup b/c one of the fountek tweeters you received was defective.

still enjoying my speakers to this day, and i'm always surfing this thread with an itch to buy more "stuff," haha!
Well, if you surfed today, you saw the page on the new BMR monitor. It's bigger and better than any girly-boy .75 cu ft Philharmonitor.
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fwiw, your memory isn't half bad, haha! i purchased the last pair of the dayton audio .75 cu. ft. curved back philharmonitors you made back in 2012. deposit was made on 8/29 and speakers were delivered across the country to my door on 10/5, and that timeframe included a little hiccup b/c one of the fountek tweeters you received was defective.

still enjoying my speakers to this day, and i'm always surfing this thread with an itch to buy more "stuff," haha!
Well, if you surfed today, you saw the page on the new BMR monitor. It's bigger and better than any girly-boy .75 cu ft Philharmonitor.
Dennis, are there any plans to make a matching center should we use these for home theater?
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Dennis, are there any plans to make a matching center should we use these for home theater?
I haven't really thought about that. I had a dedicated music system in mind when I designed the BMR's. The idea was to provide full-range reproduction at the lowest possible cost and least complexity. Also, a pair should do very well as a phantom center given their wide sweet spot. It would be simple enough to design a WMTW center using the BMR midrange. But for the moment, my Slims WMTW would probably work as well. I'm not sure the BMR driver has any great advantage in a center channel application.
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Well, if you surfed today, you saw the page on the new BMR monitor. It's bigger and better than any girly-boy .75 cu ft Philharmonitor.
Dennis: Now you've done it. My Philharmonitors have an inferiority complex with that "girly-boy" swipe. But, I just checked your website and all I can say is "WOW". Them are beautiful! And if they sound as good as advertised, (and I have no reason to think otherwise), you have an absolute winner. I should've stayed away from the website, cuz now I've got the upgrade bug again and I've only had my Phils for a year. Rats!!! -Dyedblue
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Just to make sure this isn't a turn-off for anyone, despite the 85 db sensitivity, the BMR Phil plays clean and loud from my not so highly powered budget Onkyo reciever. Becuase the Onkyo is only 50 watts/channel, I don't push it...but they have been louder than I can comfortably listen to and play very clean. Crystal clear highs and tight, accurate bass!
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Placed my order for a pair of BMRs. Looking forward to them!
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Placed my order for a pair of BMRs. Looking forward to them!
Please post impressions once you receive them. I know Dennis stated that they are designed more for music, but if possible I am curious about how they sound for music and HT/movies. If I go in this direction I would be giving them heavy use on both fronts.

One thing for sure, they are going to sound a hell of a lot better than Vapor's

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Please post impressions once you receive them. I know Dennis stated that they are designed more for music, but if possible I am curious about how they sound for music and HT/movies. If I go in this direction I would be giving them heavy use on both fronts.

One thing for sure, they are going to sound a hell of a lot better than Vapor's
Well sound-wise that is really a speculation without hearing them both but I think you can safely say that at least if you purchase from Dennis you will receive what you paid for.
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... both but I think you can safely say that at least if you purchase from Dennis you will receive what you paid for.
True dat!

Even the $99 NHT Super Zeros sound a lot better than ANY speaker you pay for and then never actually receive.

I was going to use the Bose cubes as my example instead of the Super Zeros, but then I realized they cost way more even though the NHTs are actually halfway decent speakers despite their paltry price.

But let's please not bring that Vapor drama into this thread going forward.
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Please post impressions once you receive them. I know Dennis stated that they are designed more for music, but if possible I am curious about how they sound for music and HT/movies. If I go in this direction I would be giving them heavy use on both fronts.

One thing for sure, they are going to sound a hell of a lot better than Vapor's
I fully subscribe to the theory that if a speaker sounds good for music it will sound good for movies too, even though I don't think the opposite is necessarily always true.

The BMRs might not have the SPL and dynamics, even when high passed at say 80hz or so, than speakers with CDs, but I'm sure that they will still be more than loud enough for most people in a HT environment.

I do think a pair would be overkill for surrounds though. Is there a good CC option for those of us where a third BMR wouldn't work as the CC? A surrounds option too for that matter?
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I fully subscribe to the theory that if a speaker sounds good for music it will sound good for movies too, even though I don't think the opposite is necessarily always true.

The BMRs might not have the SPL and dynamics, even when high passed at say 80hz or so, than speakers with CDs, but I'm sure that they will still be more than loud enough for most people in a HT environment.

I do think a pair would be overkill for surrounds though. Is there a good CC option for those of us where a third BMR wouldn't work as the CC? A surrounds option too for that matter?
I have a couple of CC designs that would match the BMR's sonically. One is a MTM using a Fountek tweeter and the woofers in the Salk Song Tower. The other is an WMTW with the same drivers in the Slims (and the same tweeter in the BMR). I also did a custom WMTW for the divorce attorneys out there--Two Scan Speak Revelator 5" woofers, an Accuton mid, and the OEM RAAL tweet that Jim Salk uses a lot. That belongs in the "If you have to ask what the price is, you probably....." The others are more reasonable. I don't think I can give prices on the AVS forum.

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I have a couple of CC designs that would match the BMR's sonically. One is a MTM using a Fountek tweeter and the woofers in the Salk Song Tower. The other is an WMTW with the same drivers in the Slims (and the same tweeter in the BMR). I also did a custom WMTW for the divorce attorneys out there--Two Scan Speak Revelator 5" woofers, an Accuton mid, and the OEM RAAL tweet that Jim Salk uses a lot. That belongs in the "If you have to ask what the price is, you probably....." The others are more reasonable. I don't think I can give prices on teh AVS forum.
Are there any available in maple, cherry, or piano black Dennis? And i take it the one with the Slims drivers is the best sonic match?
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Are there any available in maple, cherry, or piano black Dennis? And i take it the one with the Slims drivers is the best sonic match?
The smallest prefab MTM cabint is .75 cu ft, which I think would be too large. And there aren't any big enough for the WWMT. So Jim would have to make them (in whatever veneer or finish you would like, other than true mirror black. He could do a gloss, but it wouldn't be a true mirror finish. The Slims version would probably be the best match, but the MTM would probably be perfectly satisfactory.
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The smallest prefab MTM cabint is .75 cu ft, which I think would be too large. And there aren't any big enough for the WWMT. So Jim would have to make them (in whatever veneer or finish you would like, other than true mirror black. He could do a gloss, but it wouldn't be a true mirror finish. The Slims version would probably be the best match, but the MTM would probably be perfectly satisfactory.
Thanks Dennis.

Actually, I wasn't planning on a surround/HT application for these, at least not anytime soon anyway, but it's nice to know the option does exist.

For now anyway, I got these for just what you said they were designed for - 2 channel music without a subwoofer, which was exactly what I was looking for in a stand mount/bookshelf.

There may be some that I either don't know about or am not thinking about right now, but I haven't seen another bookshelf model with the bass extension these are rated for. Atlantic Tech even has a transmission line bookshelf, the AT2s, that's not rated as low as these are. The BMRs are even rated with a little deeper extension than your Slims towers. I seriously considered the Slims instead, but ultimately decided on the BMRs.
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Thanks Dennis.

Actually, I wasn't planning on a surround/HT application for these, at least not anytime soon anyway, but it's nice to know the option does exist.

For now anyway, I got these for just what you said they were designed for - 2 channel music without a subwoofer, which was exactly what I was looking for in a stand mount/bookshelf.

There may be some that I either don't know about or am not thinking about right now, but I haven't seen another bookshelf model with the bass extension these are rated for. Atlantic Tech even has a transmission line bookshelf, the AT2s, that's not rated as low as these are. The BMRs are even rated with a little deeper extension than your Slims towers. I seriously considered the Slims instead, but ultimately decided on the BMRs.
The Scan 8545 woofer has long been known for its bass extension. When you see the cone, you'll know it's a heavy-duty machine. I'm not claiming it's flat to 30 Hz. But in a room, you will hear clean output if you play a 30 Hz tone.
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