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post #6121 of 6138 Old 08-13-2017, 07:32 AM
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I have my Phil2s in a 25x27 room, open floor plan, mostly hard surfaces, half full upper cabinets, woofers ~18" from walls. Love my Phils!
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I am still loving my 3s and the rest of the speakers that Dennis put together. So good!
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Stupid question why not named speakers DennisHarmonic? Where does the Phil come into play??
Just a curious question

This came up in bar talk, talking about speakers when I said what I had...the young man said why didn't the speaker creator name his speakers DennisHarmonic? I said good question I'll ask....
I'm guessing none of you friends are into Classical music.
Philharmonic is like saying Symphony. Or like the word Band, Chore, group, etc.
I don't think it has any thing to do with a person named Phil.

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“Philharmonic,” a word we started using in English in 1813, roughly means “loving harmony.” It too is commonly used to describe large, multi-instrument ensembles.
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Room size is tough because it is an open floor plan. But, say 21ft x 21 ft approximately for main listening area.
Very live acoutic environment with lots of hard surface.
Back of woofer cabinet approximately 12 inches from wall.
I originally pulled about half of the fill out. Just took it down to roughly 1/4 of what was in there. Mine was packed tight.
Still loving those 3's ?
Yes, we are definitely loving them. I tried very sparse fill and found voices lost coherence. I did like that (sparse) better for Jazz, but overall like moderate fill. Probably, we should all weigh the fill. Mine have a fair amount of the material that Dennis uses to line the upper box. So, I already have some "fill, but may not directly influence sound coming out creating ambience. I also have lx521 speakers in theater setup with no backing. Definitely, need these to be farther from wall.

I like female voices better out of the phil3, but bass is tighter out of the lx521s. Love them both...

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I like female voices better out of the phil3, but bass is tighter out of the lx521s. Love them both...

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I know the Phil3's are full range but I think I would still pair them with a couple of Salk subs (with matching finish) crossed over at 60hz or lower.
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I know the Phil3's are full range but I think I would still pair them with a couple of Salk subs (with matching finish) crossed over at 60hz or lower.
Those look like rythmik based. I already have a f15h and a e15h. My wife would have serious problems with more boxes. The phil3s were a struggle...

But when she goes to visit family, maybe I'll borrow a dolly and try this out!!!

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lol, no need those are Rythmik units in a "better" box.
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I have visited Dennis at his home and saw a Grand piano, or (Baby Grand) and a Violin. I think that is when it was obvious to me that he loved music very much. Dennis is currently the assistant principal violist in the Washington Philharmonic Orchestra and also plays lead violin in two tango orchestras. This info is on his website and I think the inspiration for the Philharmonic Speakers. Correct me Dennis if I am wrong, but I believe I am right!

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lol, no need those are Rythmik units in a "better" box.
But they are not being used with the phil3s. I have a xsp-1 preamp that I could use to do the crossover. I am not disappointed in them, just a difference.

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I have visited Dennis at his home and saw a Grand piano, or (Baby Grand) and a Violin. I think that is when it was obvious to me that he loved music very much. Dennis is currently the assistant principal violist in the Washington Philharmonic Orchestra and also plays lead violin in two tango orchestras. This info is on his website and I think the inspiration for the Philharmonic Speakers. Correct me Dennis if I am wrong, but I believe I am right!

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Well based on the last page or so of discussion clearly it should have been Fillharmonic Audio!
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But they are not being used with the phil3s. I have a xsp-1 preamp that I could use to do the crossover. I am not disappointed in them, just a difference.

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Yes, OB bass is hard to match. At least that is what I have read. I have not heard OB bass. I did have a chance to heard GR Research Super V's but I did not make the drive.
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thanks to woodsart, i have a mtm center channel that matches my philharmonitor 2's making its way across the country as i type. now i just need something to power the speaker. looking at the cambridge audio cxr120 receiver. it doesn't have fancy features like dolby atmos, but it's be praised as being a great HT receiver for folks who like to listen to music a lot as well! excited to be getting the center - just not sure when i'll have it up and running.
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thanks to woodsart, i have a mtm center channel that matches my philharmonitor 2's making its way across the country as i type. now i just need something to power the speaker. looking at the cambridge audio cxr120 receiver. it doesn't have fancy features like dolby atmos, but it's be praised as being a great HT receiver for folks who like to listen to music a lot as well! excited to be getting the center - just not sure when i'll have it up and running.
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Hypothetical Subwoofer(s) recommendation with Phil3

I realize that it may be heresy to contemplate adding subs to these excellent full range speakers. However, even my wife asked why these speakers sound so much better than the previous ones with voice, but not quite as nice for her "Hip-Hop" moments. Don't laugh too hard as we are both mid 50's professional whites. The previous "Hip-Hop" speakers (BSI Model 4) had built-in dual 10" Scanspeak 26W/8861T with amp augmenting a MTM using Scanspeak 18WU/8741T and their Be tweeter. Very imposing speakers, but they were clean bass beasts and could fully bass load the large room.

So, I have a Rythmik F15HP serving LFE duties in our HT area and a very underutilized E15HP in our bedroom setup with some monitors (Wish I had gotten the Phil Monitors).
My first thought is to try just the one E15HP crossed over at 50-60Hz. The space is pretty large. Basically a large open room with vaulted ceiling.
Other ideas include buying another E15HP or should I look at 2xF12? This system is solely for music. Pretty much all music types including some Classical, Jazz, classic rock, 80's rock, new rock, Blues guitar, Jazz vocals, Singer song writer, etc...
1) Use the one E15HP
2) Get a second E15HP
3) Buy two other subs? F12, other...Rythmik office is literally two blocks from my office.

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I realize that it may be heresy to contemplate adding subs to these excellent full range speakers. However, even my wife asked why these speakers sound so much better than the previous ones with voice, but not quite as nice for her "Hip-Hop" moments. Don't laugh too hard as we are both mid 50's professional whites. The previous "Hip-Hop" speakers (BSI Model 4) had built-in dual 10" Scanspeak 26W/8861T with amp augmenting a MTM using Scanspeak 18WU/8741T and their Be tweeter. Very imposing speakers, but they were clean bass beasts and could fully bass load the large room.

So, I have a Rythmik F15HP serving LFE duties in our HT area and a very underutilized E15HP in our bedroom setup with some monitors (Wish I had gotten the Phil Monitors).
My first thought is to try just the one E15HP crossed over at 50-60Hz. The space is pretty large. Basically a large open room with vaulted ceiling.
Other ideas include buying another E15HP or should I look at 2xF12? This system is solely for music. Pretty much all music types including some Classical, Jazz, classic rock, 80's rock, new rock, Blues guitar, Jazz vocals, Singer song writer, etc...
1) Use the one E15HP
2) Get a second E15HP
3) Buy two other subs? F12, other...Rythmik office is literally two blocks from my office.

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Just to remind people, we're talking Phil 3's and not BMR's. I think the issue for you is simply cone surface area. Although the 3's can go as low as a lot of subs, there's only so much air one 8" woofer per side can move. So for home theater and some types of really bass-rich program material, I can see where a sub or two would up the ante. I would just try one and see where you are. But I'm sure there are a lot of more sub-savvy posters out there who can give you more specific advice.
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I realize that it may be heresy to contemplate adding subs to these excellent full range speakers. However, even my wife asked why these speakers sound so much better than the previous ones with voice, but not quite as nice for her "Hip-Hop" moments.
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The 3's are great for normal music but hip-hop is boosted, high energy, electronically generated bass. People want boom, boom, boom. That requires moving large masses of air.
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The 3's are great for normal music but hip-hop is boosted, high energy, electronically generated bass. People want boom, boom, boom. That requires moving large masses of air.
In my opinion in order to do that subwoofer (s) are a necessity...............taking absolutely nothing away from the 3's of course.
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Talk to Dennis I'm sure you are not the first person wanting to mate a sub with the 3's. Your options range from Dual F8's to the future F18, Dennis will know best.
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Talk to Dennis I'm sure you are not the first person wanting to mate a sub with the 3's. Your options range from Dual F8's to the future F18, Dennis will know best.
Actually, I won't. I have no experience with contemporary subs other than a $100 puppy from Parts Express. I have home brew subs in my HT, and none in my main listening room.
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