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Beyond that, the rated 20wpc probably means about 30-35w into 4 ohms if that, which is not a lot of power for a lowish sensitivity speaker like this (87.5dB/2.83v/1M). It puts the typical max SPL around 90db which is rather low. Now for more compressed music this is fine but for classical and anything with lots of percussion, they could sound flat and restrained as SPL demands are normally 5-6db louder in the midrange. I would personally like to have 100db capability out of my amp, whether or not I ever actually use it. For these speakers, to fulful that requirement you'd need around 300w @ 4 ohms (> 150wpc amp). A bit less is normally adequate, but even then you'd still need an amp that can do 150w @ 4 ohms (> 75wpc amp)

Do you prefer the sound of the speakers, or the sound of the tube?

Thanks for your response. I have the Bryston 4B SST2 which is 300wpc into 8ohms for my main amp but I want to use the tube amp I have as well hence the question.
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Thanks for your response. I have the Bryston 4B SST2 which is 300wpc into 8ohms for my main amp but I want to use the tube amp I have as well hence the question.

The Bryston is a much better fit.

Finding speakers for a 20w tube amp is a tough calling. The watts are okay for a low powered setup, but the output impedance is the real issue. TRUE tube-friendly speakers can be counted on one hand.
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I guess I have to liquidate the tube amp.
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Thank you!

I have a 30 watt per channel Ideal Innovations Elite 80 tube amp. Do you all think they'll drive the phil2s at all?

I'm not qualified enough to answer that... after all I was mostly a projector guy until lately =) Chance are good Dennis can answer to that.

Was wondering the same for my pioneer 1019( 140watt x 7 for 8 ohm... not made for 4 ohm according to them). Guess ill just see on day 1 =)
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Was wondering the same for my pioneer 1019( 140watt x 7 for 8 ohm... not made for 4 ohm according to them). Guess ill just see on day 1 =)

Just FIY it doesn't have the same output impedance issues as the tubes, and also should have around 5db of relative headroom.

No it won't drive the phils to the loudest levels but it should also suffice for the most part.

It's the difference between an effectively 15w amp and an effectively 60w amp.
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The Bryston is a much better fit.

Finding speakers for a 20w tube amp is a tough calling. The watts are okay for a low powered setup, but the output impedance is the real issue. TRUE tube-friendly speakers can be counted on one hand.

Agreed.

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I'm not qualified enough to answer that... after all I was mostly a projector guy until lately =) Chance are good Dennis can answer to that.

Was wondering the same for my pioneer 1019( 140watt x 7 for 8 ohm... not made for 4 ohm according to them). Guess ill just see on day 1 =)

Pioneer says it won't work with a 4 ohm load? Really?
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I guess I have to liquidate the tube amp.

Hey--plug it in, hook it up, and see what happens. I doubt that the local volunteer fire department will get a call if you don't ram the volume up full tilt. The Phils are an easy load compared with some 3-ways I could mention, but won't on my lawyer's advice.
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Pioneer says it won't work with a 4 ohm load? Really?[/quote]

No they never said it wont work, but i had emailed customer service about 2 week ago. They said ( don't remember exact sentence) that they were not build optimally for it and the entrance lvl pioneer elite would work fine. Something around those lines.
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I did not find any challenges in driving these off any products. I think a really nice low wattage tube amp would be great.

My rig of the week - sn972 = emotiva xp3 on LCR, surrounds on sn972 - got a big old parasound at the repair shop - Salk ccaow1, another sn 972 downstairs

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Hey--plug it in, hook it up, and see what happens. I doubt that the local volunteer fire department will get a call if you don't ram the volume up full tilt. The Phils are an easy load compared with some 3-ways I could mention, but won't on my lawyer's advice.

lol thanks dude.
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No they never said it wont work, but i had emailed customer service about 2 week ago. They said ( don't remember exact sentence) that they were not build optimally for it and the entrance lvl pioneer elite would work fine. Something around those lines.

It sounds like they were pitching a sale to you. Regardless, I suppose it would worry me a bit, as it is considering an entry level receiver (no offense). I just looked at pics of it and see no preouts either. Bummer.
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No they never said it wont work, but i had emailed customer service about 2 week ago. They said ( don't remember exact sentence) that they were not build optimally for it and the entrance lvl pioneer elite would work fine. Something around those lines.

It sounds like they were pitching a sale to you. Regardless, I suppose it would worry me a bit, as it is considering an entry level receiver (no offense). I just looked at pics of it and see no preouts either. Bummer.[/quote]

Funny thing is I just emailed pioneer about a week ago to ask about the elite Sc-57 and if it supported a 4 ohm load and they said no. I still have the email somewhere, but I believe they said the receiver will only handle 6-16 ohms. Conflicting information much?
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It sounds like they were pitching a sale to you. Regardless, I suppose it would worry me a bit, as it is considering an entry level receiver (no offense). I just looked at pics of it and see no preouts either. Bummer.

Funny thing is I just emailed pioneer about a week ago to ask about the elite Sc-57 and if it supported a 4 ohm load and they said no. I still have the email somewhere, but I believe they said the receiver will only handle 6-16 ohms. Conflicting information much?[/quote]

Wow...isnt that their flagship like 2.5 k amp???, would be surprised if it doesnt handle 4 ohm speaker.
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Funny thing is I just emailed pioneer about a week ago to ask about the elite Sc-57 and if it supported a 4 ohm load and they said no. I still have the email somewhere, but I believe they said the receiver will only handle 6-16 ohms. Conflicting information much?

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Wow...isnt that their flagship like 2.5 k amp???, would be surprised if it doesnt handle 4 ohm speaker.

If Pioneer is handling their "flagship" receivers like they are their "flagship" BD players, then it wouldn't surprise me.
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Funny thing is I just emailed pioneer about a week ago to ask about the elite Sc-57 and if it supported a 4 ohm load and they said no. I still have the email somewhere, but I believe they said the receiver will only handle 6-16 ohms. Conflicting information much?

Wow...isnt that their flagship like 2.5 k amp???, would be surprised if it doesnt handle 4 ohm speaker.[/quote]

You have to realize that most speakers which claim to be 4 ohm, may very well be 2.5 ohm with difficult phase angles.

In comparision, even though they're almost entirely 4 ohm, most companies would pass the philharmonics off as 6 ohm!
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Wow...isnt that their flagship like 2.5 k amp???, would be surprised if it doesnt handle 4 ohm speaker.

You have to realize that most speakers which claim to be 4 ohm, may very well be 2.5 ohm with difficult phase angles.

In comparision, even though they're almost entirely 4 ohm, most companies would pass the philharmonics off as 6 ohm![/quote]

Right. But amps are boring. Back to speakers--I just packed these up and will send them Oklahoma-way tomorrow.
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Right. But amps are boring. Back to speakers--I just packed these up and will send them Oklahoma-way tomorrow.

LMAO!

Those look gorgeous!! Who are those going to, Dennis?
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LMAO!

Those look gorgeous!! Who are those going to, Dennis?

Someone who likes bright shiny red speakers, and who already owns Orions and some obscure speaker from the Harmon Group. The name escapes me now--Saloon? Balloon? No, that's not it. And one of those funny looking concentric driver thingies from KEF.
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Someone who likes bright shiny red speakers, and who already owns Orions and some obscure speaker from the Harmon Group. The name escapes me now--Saloon? Balloon? No, that's not it. And one of those funny looking concentric driver thingies from KEF.

LMAO! I don't know 'im. Tell me more about these Balloon's!!!

Yes!! I'm more excited than he is!!
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I'm in love with this speaker line, never heard them but I've been keeping up with this thread and I wish I could get a pair. The tweeter and mid range looks like a symphony all balled up into a beautiful work of art. Just sharing....
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Right. But amps are boring. Back to speakers--I just packed these up and will send them Oklahoma-way tomorrow.

LOL - nice segue, Dennis!
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Someone who likes bright shiny red speakers, and who already owns Orions and some obscure speaker from the Harmon Group. The name escapes me now--Saloon? Balloon? No, that's not it. And one of those funny looking concentric driver thingies from KEF.

I would be very interested in hearing a comparison to Orions.
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Shiny is nice. I like my SVS subs and NHTs that are all gloss black, but they reflect light. The Phils are going in the same room with the ht and projector, and hence I'm glad the finish is satin/matte to keep those reflections to a minimum. And no one is going to see them anyway but me lol.
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Someone who likes bright shiny red speakers, and who already owns Orions and some obscure speaker from the Harmon Group. The name escapes me now--Saloon? Balloon? No, that's not it. And one of those funny looking concentric driver thingies from KEF.

My understanding is that the Harmon "Balloons" are filled with helium and the image just floats in the middle of the room....amazing technology.
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Someone who likes bright shiny red speakers, and who already owns Orions and some obscure speaker from the Harmon Group. The name escapes me now--Saloon? Balloon? No, that's not it. And one of those funny looking concentric driver thingies from KEF.

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LMAO! I don't know 'im. Tell me more about these Balloon's!!!

Yes!! I'm more excited than he is!!

Got everything ready for the shiny red Phil3. All I have to do is hook them up once I get them. They will sit between the Salon2 & Orion3.

Sitting chart: 201/2 --> Salon2 --> Philharmonic3 --> Orion3

Hey, I just noticed the 2's go before the 3's.
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Got everything ready for the shiny red Phil3. All I have to do is hook them up once I get them. They will sit between the Salon2 & Orion3.

Sitting chart: 201/2 --> Salon2 --> Philharmonic3 --> Orion3

Hey, I just noticed the 2's go before the 3's.

Well, they're sitting out front waiting for the Fed Ex dude. Who pretty much hates me. I've never heard the Salons--what's their useful low end extension?
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Well, they're sitting out front waiting for the Fed Ex dude. Who pretty much hates me.

LOL He wont be buying you any electric knifes in the near future?
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I've never heard the Salons--what's their useful low end extension?

23hz @ -3db
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Got everything ready for the shiny red Phil3. All I have to do is hook them up once I get them. They will sit between the Salon2 & Orion3.

Sitting chart: 201/2 --> Salon2 --> Philharmonic3 --> Orion3

Hey, I just noticed the 2's go before the 3's.

Do you pull them out when you listen? Just curious. I am looking forward to seeing pics of the Three Amigos all next to each other.
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Well, they're sitting out front waiting for the Fed Ex dude. Who pretty much hates me. I've never heard the Salons--what's their useful low end extension?

I wouldn't worry too much ADTG, he probably won't mishandle the boxes that badly!

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