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Then I could throw in the Philharmonitor 2s for a little more spice!!!!
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I am really curious how much better the Phil 1's are then comparably priced models from big brand manufacturers. What makes them better?

I priced out the drivers used in the Phil 1 and they all appear to retail at around $100 each. Is that comparable to what is inside big name brand speakers such as Focal, B&W, Kef, etc?
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I am really curious how much better the Phil 1's are then comparably priced models from big brand manufacturers. What makes them better?

I priced out the drivers used in the Phil 1 and they all appear to retail at around $100 each. Is that comparable to what is inside big name brand speakers such as Focal, B&W, Kef, etc?

Feel free to correct me Dennis!

Dennis chose the drivers he did due to performance not price. Perhaps there was some price stipulation IE. No more than X amount for the midrange ETC. But I think if Dennis had found a driver that was significantly better than the drivers he chose, he would have used it.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the cabinet and crossover are the source of most of the price.

Last we spoke about it (quite a while), Dennis didn't make a very large profit from the Phils.
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I am really curious how much better the Phil 1's are then comparably priced models from big brand manufacturers. What makes them better?

I priced out the drivers used in the Phil 1 and they all appear to retail at around $100 each. Is that comparable to what is inside big name brand speakers such as Focal, B&W, Kef, etc?

Performance, value and Dennis Murphy.
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Feel free to correct me Dennis!

Dennis chose the drivers he did due to performance not price. Perhaps there was some price stipulation IE. No more than X amount for the midrange ETC. But I think if Dennis had found a driver that was significantly better than the drivers he chose, he would have used it.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the cabinet and crossover are the source of most of the price.

Last we spoke about it (quite a while), Dennis didn't make a very large profit from the Phils.

If I remember correctly from my memory, I heard it said that 10 to 15 percent of the price of the speakers is in the drivers and crossover networks with comercial speakers. On a speaker like the Philharmonic 1 that would leave about an average of $25 or less for each driver on another 3 way.

Bob
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I really want to hear these. Anyone in the so cal area have a pair yet? I'll bring the beer.
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If I remember correctly from my memory, I heard it said that 10 to 15 percent of the price of the speakers is in the drivers and crossover networks with comercial speakers. On a speaker like the Philharmonic 1 that would leave about an average of $25 or less for each driver on another 3 way.

Bob

I'm sure the ratio of parts cost to final price is much higher on my speakers than on commercial speakers. It better be--I don't have to meet a payroll, advertise, or sell through dealers. I also use better crossover parts than I really have to--I suspect the Phil's would sound just as good with cheaper caps, coils, and resistors. But I would take more grief than it's worth. Just one Solen poly 150 uf
cap costs me about $33, and any commercial speaker company with any sense would just use a NP electrolytic for maybe a dollar. So if you do the math--you've got maybe $500 worth of drivers, $400 worth of cabinets, over $200 worth of crossover parts, terminals, banana plugs, wiring, commissions, donations, insignias.......better order before they take me away, away.
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I really want to hear these. Anyone in the so cal area have a pair yet? I'll bring the beer.

I should have a pair in the next year! :P
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I should have a pair in the next year! :P

Lets hope he's still doing this in a year.
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Then I could throw in the Philharmonitor 2s for a little more spice!!!!

That would be pretty awesome!
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..better order before they take me away, away.

I've got your 2's scoped out for my next pair of mains, but my circa 1987 Vandersteen 2Cs just keep on going!
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I'm sure the ratio of parts cost to final price is much higher on my speakers than on commercial speakers. It better be--I don't have to meet a payroll, advertise, or sell through dealers. I also use better crossover parts than I really have to--I suspect the Phil's would sound just as good with cheaper caps, coils, and resistors. But I would take more grief than it's worth. Just one Solen poly 150 uf
cap costs me about $33, and any commercial speaker company with any sense would just use a NP electrolytic for maybe a dollar. So if you do the math--you've got maybe $500 worth of drivers, $400 worth of cabinets, over $200 worth of crossover parts, terminals, banana plugs, wiring, commissions, donations, insignias.......better order before they take me away, away.

Dennis, I think Bob was pointing out that you get way more bang for the buck with your Phils than ANY commercial speaker. He was telling the guy who was wondering how Phils compare to commercial offerings, that in a commercial speaker of comparable price, they would only be using drivers that cost less than 1/4 the cost of the drivers in your speakers.

That's why all the rest of us are here; we know what amazing products these are at these pricepoints. Thanks again for making this level of performance available to the average Joe. I'll be placing my order for the 2's in the near future.


Max
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Dennis, I think Bob was pointing out that you get way more bang for the buck with your Phils than ANY commercial speaker. He was telling the guy who was wondering how Phils compare to commercial offerings, that in a commercial speaker of comparable price, they would only be using drivers that cost less than 1/4 the cost of the drivers in your speakers.

That's why all the rest of us are here; we know what amazing products these are at these pricepoints. Thanks again for making this level of performance available to the average Joe. I'll be placing my order for the 2's in the near future.


Max

Right--I wasn't really replying to Bob. Just affirming that Philharmonic Audio is run by a nut job. Help me before I produce a Phil 4.
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Right--I wasn't really replying to Bob. Just affirming that Philharmonic Audio is run by a nut job. Help me before I produce a Phil 4.

Ooooo... Phil 4? :drool:


Max
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I heard through the grapevine that the Philharmonic 4 is the subwoofer to beat all subwoofers, but it could just have been a rumor.
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Right--I wasn't really replying to Bob. Just affirming that Philharmonic Audio is run by a nut job. Help me before I produce a Phil 4.

Why you!!!!! <(^^/)> Don't make me come up there, until my center is done!

Awwwweeee! Your excited, glad to hear that!!!!

Sorry, still not surprised......don't neglect Ben or Gail will have your hide or Ben whichever comes first!

I would bet the latter as she is weary of speaker talk!!!!
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Right--I wasn't really replying to Bob. Just affirming that Philharmonic Audio is run by a nut job. Help me before I produce a Phil 4.

You should provide a copy of that old song "there coming to take me away, hehe haha" with every speaker purchase. Don't remember the name of the song but it was a hit.
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You should provide a copy of that old song "there coming to take me away, hehe haha" with every speaker purchase. Don't remember the name of the song but it was a hit.

That's the name of it - They're Coming To Take Me Away. By Napoleon, 1966, I believe.
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You should provide a copy of that old song "there coming to take me away, hehe haha" with every speaker purchase. Don't remember the name of the song but it was a hit.

It might be the "Funny Farm" to which he is already a member and is now resides
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You should provide a copy of that old song "there coming to take me away, hehe haha" with every speaker purchase. Don't remember the name of the song but it was a hit.

That's the one I was thinking of. Old. We're both old. And folks--I was KIDDING about the Phil 4.
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Lets hope he's still doing this in a year.

Dennis, will you be doing this in a year? :P
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That's the name of it - They're Coming To Take Me Away. By Napoleon, 1966, I believe.

Wasn't that the theme song of the Dr. Demento radio show?
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Wasn't that the theme song of the Dr. Demento radio show?

Found it:
They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa! - Napoleon XIV

On Dr. Demento's Delights from 1975.
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Lets hope he's still doing this in a year.

I see my mind games left an impact
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I see my mind games left an impact

They sure worked on me! :P
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Regarding Phantom Centers, I stumbled on to this:

There is a very good chance that your AVR or processor enables Dolby Dynamic Range Compression (DRC) if you play a DD 5.1 source with less than a full 5.1 speaker configuration; for example it may happen in a phantom center configuration. This is done without your knowledge and with no way to disable it. The result is that peak levels are noticeably compressed and you do not experience the full dynamic range of the original source.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/archi.../t-773497.html

Why isn't this mentioned more? I'd like to consider a Phantom center but not at the expense of audio quality.
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Found it:
They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa! - Napoleon XIV

On Dr. Demento's Delights from 1975.

I need to get that on my demo CD. I wonder if there's a SACD recording........
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I gotta ask, why no center version with the Neo 8?
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I gotta ask, why no center version with the Neo 8?

The neo8 is too tall.
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Why isn't this mentioned more? I'd like to consider a Phantom center but not at the expense of audio quality.

Just wait a little, I planned to remove center... First movie ill watch is lotr... And ill probably waste more time plugging and unplugging the center than watching. Ill tell you what i see... Euh hear

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