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Thanks..will post pics of my setup and I am sure I will have more questions. BTW do you guys use the Audyssey with Phil's ? Isn't the crossoverd optimized without the this technology ?

Congratulations Mr. Azb120, glad you got the phils and think it was the right decision for the money for me and I would buy them again!

My opinion of Audyssey, is yes I use it with the phils as they dub for the 7.1 sound in the theater. However, I am not sure I ran it when I changed out, think I did, but since I didn't have a center, will have to start over when I get it anyway.

And, my center cabinet has been made waiting for Dennis to pick up for installation.
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Thanks..will post pics of my setup and I am sure I will have more questions. BTW do you guys use the Audyssey with Phil's ? Isn't the crossoverd optimized without the this technology ?

The think the Audyssey technology is very useful for dealing with room peaks and dips in the bass region. It should not, however, be used above about 250 Hz. If the speakers in question have a properly optimized crossover, then you won't want to muck with the basic response and phase characteristics of the design.
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^ I agree with Dennis; I'd never use EQ above the Schroeder Frequency.

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The think the Audyssey technology is very useful for dealing with room peaks and dips in the bass region. It should not, however, be used above about 250 Hz. If the speakers in question have a properly optimized crossover, then you won't want to muck with the basic response and phase characteristics of the design.

Dennis,

How would using a program like Audyssey change the phase characteristics of a speaker? Thanks.

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Any equalization that changes the roll-off slopes of the drivers will change relative phase. The slopes have been optimized to keep the drivers precisely in phase at the relevant crossover frequencies. The exact impact of the equalization will depend on where it is applied. If it's just used to tip the high end up a bit, then probably there's no issue.
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Any equalization that changes the roll-off slopes of the drivers will change relative phase. The slopes have been optimized to keep the drivers precisely in phase at the relevant crossover frequencies. The exact impact of the equalization will depend on where it is applied. If it's just used to tip the high end up a bit, then probably there's no issue.

Dennis,

Thank you very much for the reply. Can I assume this would be present in before-after measurements (that show phase)? Thanks.

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Any equalization that changes the roll-off slopes of the drivers will change relative phase.

can line level EQ even do this for a passive loudspeaker?
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HD tracks directory = 700GB now...thanks dennis - they should have you as a sponsor or something.

REW...most expensive freeware ever...

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HD tracks directory = 700GB now...thanks dennis - they should have you as a sponsor or something.

Wow! Where are you getting all these from?

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Wow! Where are you getting all these from?

I had a collection of 20 or 30 HD songs...the files were HUGE. ONE 8 minute song was 500MB!

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Any equalization that changes the roll-off slopes of the drivers will change relative phase. The slopes have been optimized to keep the drivers precisely in phase at the relevant crossover frequencies. The exact impact of the equalization will depend on where it is applied. If it's just used to tip the high end up a bit, then probably there's no issue.

Interesting. I use the SVS ASEQ1 Audyssey eq for 80hz and below myself.
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Do Audyssey flat should do the trick? No upper band roll off there.
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Wow! Where are you getting all these from?

try usenet, there's plenty of lossless, just pm me if needed
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Oh hey there good lookin'
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Oh hey there good lookin'

Now that's what I call sexy! =D

Happy face speaker!

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Oh hey there good lookin'

I'm guessing that's your order?
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Happy face speaker!

More of a "really really stoned" face.
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I'm guessing that's your order?

I'm hoping that's two orders--one for a dude with a first name beginning with A, and the other beginning with J. I actually had to go out and hire a staff today. I never counted on running a real business. I wonder if the Federal Trade Commission will take me back. Less work, more pay. All at taxpayer expense.
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More of a "really really stoned" face.

Bahahhaah Let's hope not for my sake!

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What about some for a guy whose first name begins with Noah?

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Less work, more pay. All at taxpayer expense.

How many orders have you had so far, Dennis?

Hahahah Sounds like office of Vice President. :P

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I'm hoping that's two orders--one for a dude with a first name beginning with A, and the other beginning with J. I actually had to go out and hire a staff today. I never counted on running a real business. I wonder if the Federal Trade Commission will take me back. Less work, more pay. All at taxpayer expense.

lol nice.
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Yes indeed the pair on the left is me, and the other pair is for a guy who goes by the handle jcunwired over on audioholics.

This is pre-staining, but oddly enough we're both getting a similar stain color as well so it will look like a full 5 speaker set that was made for one person

Unfortunately its not, and even more disappointing its not for me
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Been following this thread for awhile now and am really interested in the Phil 3's since I'm mostly 2 channel music listening.

Since I'm mostly classic rock, progressive rock, seems the Phil's may not be for me. I haven't really read any reviews for awhile of anyone using the Phil's for rock music. Anyone?

I would love to hear some impressions from someone with similar listening taste. I wouldn't be listening at extreme levels anyway, but occasionally I would have to admit, I do crank it above 100 db for a few seconds. Should I even be considering the Phil's?
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Been following this thread for awhile now and am really interested in the Phil 3's since I'm mostly 2 channel music listening.

Since I'm mostly classic rock, progressive rock, seems the Phil's may not be for me. I haven't really read any reviews for awhile of anyone using the Phil's for rock music. Anyone?

I would love to hear some impressions from someone with similar listening taste. I wouldn't be listening at extreme levels anyway, but occasionally I would have to admit, I do crank it above 100 db for a few seconds. Should I even be considering the Phil's?

I listen to some of that material (at high db sometimes) and they sound pretty darn good.
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Been following this thread for awhile now and am really interested in the Phil 3's since I'm mostly 2 channel music listening.

Since I'm mostly classic rock, progressive rock, seems the Phil's may not be for me. I haven't really read any reviews for awhile of anyone using the Phil's for rock music. Anyone?

I would love to hear some impressions from someone with similar listening taste. I wouldn't be listening at extreme levels anyway, but occasionally I would have to admit, I do crank it above 100 db for a few seconds. Should I even be considering the Phil's?

I wonder why do you think the Phil's wont be good for this genre...!?
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I listen to some of that material (at high db sometimes) and they sound pretty darn good.

Thanks so much d_m, good to know. What are you driving your Phil's with? I have a marsh a400s amp that's 330 watts at 4 ohms. I'm hoping that amp would pair up ok with the Phil 3's...
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Been following this thread for awhile now and am really interested in the Phil 3's since I'm mostly 2 channel music listening.

Since I'm mostly classic rock, progressive rock, seems the Phil's may not be for me. I haven't really read any reviews for awhile of anyone using the Phil's for rock music. Anyone?

I would love to hear some impressions from someone with similar listening taste. I wouldn't be listening at extreme levels anyway, but occasionally I would have to admit, I do crank it above 100 db for a few seconds. Should I even be considering the Phil's?

Well IMO the 2.5db sensitivity advantage of the Phil 2s makes more sense for your purposes. I don't think any rock music will have content low enough (below 40hz) for the difference between the two speakers to be meaningfully audible.

The RAALs are very robust tweeters that can handle the compressed highs of rock music - probably better than all but a hand full of tweeters. Additionally, you've got a larger midrange playing up to almost 3khz (almost the top limit of around 80% of high power music content) and a larger midwoofer playing up to around 6-800hz (again, another frequency band where power demands are reduced above it).

The only possible problem is that an amp might clip, or you might get some thermal compression after extended periods (IE 2H) of listening at high SPLs. I wouldn't be worried though - feed them power and just be responsible I would use a Crown XLS2000 just to ensure the amp isn't clipping.

These speakers will do great on your music tastes, and pretty much any music tastes aside from dance club stuff with > 120db bass. They start from the basic principles of flat frequency response and wide, even off-axis response - which makes them very versatile barring poor mixes - which is never the speaker's fault.

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I have a marsh a400s amp that's 330 watts at 4 ohms. I'm hoping that amp would pair up ok with the Phil 3's...

That will be perfect! It'll get you into the 100db range just fine with the Phil 2s, and close enough with the Phil 3s in-room.
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I wonder why do you think the Phil's wont be good for this genre...!?

Well, it may be just me, but I've searched all the forums, all the user reviews I could not find anyone using the Phil's for rock? Hopefully I'm wrong
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Well IMO the 2.5db advantage of the Phil 2s makes more sense for your purposes.

The RAALs are very robust tweeters that can handle the compressed highs of rock music - probably better than all but a hand full of tweeters. Additionally, you've got a larger midrange playing up to almost 3khz and a larger midwoofer playing up to around 6-800hz.

The only real problem is that your amp might clip, or you might get some thermal compression after extended periods (IE 2H) of listening at high SPLs. I wouldn't be worried though - feed them power and just be responsible I would use a Crown XLS2000 just to ensure the amp isn't clipping.

These speakers will do great on your music tastes, and pretty much any music tastes aside from dance club stuff with > 120db bass. They start from the basic principles of flat frequency response and wide, even off-axis response - which makes them very versatile barring poor mixes - which is never the speaker's fault.



That will be perfect! It'll get you into the 100db range just fine with the Phil 2s, and close enough with the Phil 3s in-room.


Sweet, thanks so much EV!
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