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post #2521 of 4638 Old 05-28-2012, 10:29 PM
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Out of sheer curiosity, what causes the rise is SPL off axis between 1.5 and 4khz?

o, I know this one. it suppose to compensate for a slight dip in that region in the on axis.

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it suppose to compensate for a slight dip in that region in the on axis.

Just fyi, you can`t really "control" off-axis response separately from the on-axis response.... you can only equalize the sound power response as a whole, normally by taking the 0 degree on-axis response as the reference.

What you do there, will affect what happens everywhere else. Of course different drivers and crossover slopes contribute differently to that sound power, so you can play around a little with it, but overall, what you do on one axis, you automatically do to every other axis!

I guess what I mean to say is, that while the on-axis response might be slightly depressed for whatever reason, the goal isn't to "compensate" for it off-axis - the vice versa - to compensate for too much off-axis energy by depressing the forward axis in isolation - isn't necessarily true either.

as for what acoustic phenominon causes more energy off-axis than on, I don't know.
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Just fyi, you can`t really "control" off-axis response separately from the on-axis response.... you can only equalize the sound power response as a whole, normally by taking the 0 degree on-axis response as the reference.

What you do there, will affect what happens everywhere else. Of course different drivers and crossover slopes contribute differently to that sound power, so you can play around a little with it, but overall, what you do on one axis, you automatically do to every other axis!

I guess what I mean to say is, that while the on-axis response might be slightly depressed for whatever reason, the goal isn't to "compensate" for it off-axis - the vice versa - to compensate for too much off-axis energy by depressing the forward axis in isolation - isn't necessarily true either.

as for what acoustic phenominon causes more energy off-axis than on, I don't know.

First, you have to remember that the woofer continues to contribute some output above its nominal crossover frequency of 650 Hz, and that the tweeter also adds output below its crossover point of 2900 Hz. Then you have to remember that an 8" woofer will start to beam at higher frequencies, and that the much narrower midrange will have superior dispersion at its lower end. Same goes for the even narrower tweeter in relation to the midrange where they overlap. As you move further and further off axis, the relative ouput in the upper midrange and lower highs will start to increase relative to the lower frequencies, and the higher frequencies, where the tweeter starts to narrow its dispersion pattern. They only way to mitigate this problem is to deliberately even out the dispersion pattern of the tweeter with an acoustic lens of some kind. That's what the argument about "controlled directivity" is all about. The problem isn't as severe on the Phil's as on speakers with a wider midrange because the radiation pattern of the Neo8 and the RAAL aren't radically different where they overlap.
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Yes, I received an email from Del on Friday, my cabinets were stained, lacquer being applied early this week. The photo also showed a center channel speaker where it belongs, on my speakers.

Well, I could be wrong. It's not easy to tell, but I'm thinking that the attached pic is Fuzz speakers stained with my center on top of them. The only difference between the two cabinets is the smaller woofer, and the unstained to me looks to be the small one.
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Well, I could be wrong. It's not easy to tell, but I'm thinking that the attached pic is Fuzz speakers stained with my center on top of them. The only difference between the two cabinets is the smaller woofer, and the unstained to me looks to be the small one.

Nope those three on the left are yours and the "unstained" ones are mine jut stained very lightly. Maple was a bit too blonde for my significant other so a couple shades darker was in order.
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Nope those three on the left are yours and the "unstained" ones are mine jut stained very lightly. Maple was a bit too blonde for my significant other so a couple shades darker was in order.

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Thankee kindly, although I'll consider myself lucky only after they've survived the fedex journey
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although i'll consider myself lucky only after they've survived the fedex journey :d

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All you guys are gonna be blessed with these. The more I listen the more I love......<3

The marantz is just fantastico with them....somewhere between tube and SS.

You should truly, estactically sooooooo look soooooooo forward to receiving them!!!!
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All you guys are gonna be blessed with these. The more I listen the more I love......<3

The first song I'm going to listen to on my Phils:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3q9ExRobeQ

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Ok, maybe not, but tell me that song isn't hilarious!

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LOL funny, but, but do ThInK the PhIlS deserve more, hope DeNnIs doesn't go there, he will be InSuLaTeD!!!!:

It's a funny song though!!!! Ha HA!

I think you will enjoy the CD better!!
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LOL funny, but, but do ThInK the PhIlS deserve more, hope DeNnIs doesn't go there, he will be InSuLaTeD!!!!:

It's a funny song though!!!! Ha HA!

I think you will enjoy the CD better!!

I have a collection of propaganda (and some silly parody) songs from the 60s referring to the cold war. They are HILARIOUS.

Look up "Radioactive Mama" :P

No, the first song I will listen to is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR0DKOGco_o

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I have a collection of propaganda (and some silly parody) songs from the 60s referring to the cold war. They are HILARIOUS.

Look up "Radioactive Mama" :P

No, the first song I will listen to is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xR0DKOGco_o

Love that song!

Listen to "Woods" by Bon Iver, (No relation) LOL!

With the Roy Orbison Bluray, I like the 5.1, it is about as real as one can get without being there! And
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Love that song!

Listen to "Woods" by Bon Iver, (No relation) LOL!

With the Roy Orbison Bluray, I like the 5.1, it is about as real as one can get without being there! And

Me too! I figure, what song could be a more "powerful" first listen that that one?

After that, it's Mr. Charles then the rest of my collection.

I'll give a listen right now.

Dennis just sent over the tracking #. Let the tracking escapade commence!

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Me too! I figure, what song could be a more "powerful" first listen that that one?

After that, it's Mr. Charles then the rest of my collection.

I'll give a listen right now.

Dennis just sent over the tracking #. Let the tracking escapade commence!

Ha Ha your are a riot!!! You're gonna like the Sampler CD.
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What's your expected delivery date?

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What's your expected delivery date?

I don't have one. It's blank. For some reason, only two of the packages are showing up. Dennis said all four were picked up. Hopefully they'll all get here at the same time!

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Ha Ha your are a riot!!! You're gonna like the Sampler CD.

Thanks!! I try! I've heard the tracks. They are very good.

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Ha Ha your are a riot!!! You're gonna like the Sampler CD.

I'm guessing the sampler CD was chosen carefully, with Dennis' taste it will surely be a hit. This will of course be the first item that goes into my player, but from my own collection I am most interested in hearing Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade (I have two versions), which has beautiful violin (although not enough!) and oboe passages. From there I'm not so sure where to go. I have some Senegalese music with beautiful percussion and vocals that aren't taxing of the high end but will benefit from the Phil midrange drivers, and a few rock/alternative/acoustic that I am looking forward to hearing. And then a French group, Noir Desir, which includes beautiful clarinet solos.

Another I've been looking forward to is from the blu-ray of Concert for George, Anoushka Shankar's opening sitar solo. While it's not likely to be levels more spectacular on the Phils I have been saving this one up. I haven't seen her in a long time On the same disk, While My Guitar Gently Weeps by Eric Clapton will also be played.

I've been on hold listening to my own music. Other than a few disks to test out the new Denon Link connection I've been saving it for the Philharmonics. I'm looking forward to rediscovering what I have.

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I'm guessing the sampler CD was chosen carefully, with Dennis' taste it will surely be a hit. This will of course be the first item that goes into my player, but from my own collection I am most interested in hearing Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade (I have two versions), which has beautiful violin (although not enough!) and oboe passages. From there I'm not so sure where to go. I have some Senegalese music with beautiful percussion and vocals that aren't taxing of the high end but will benefit from the Phil midrange drivers, and a few rock/alternative/acoustic that I am looking forward to hearing. And then a French group, Noir Desir, which includes beautiful clarinet solos.

Another I've been looking forward to is from the blu-ray of Concert for George, Anoushka Shankar's opening sitar solo. While it's not likely to be levels more spectacular on the Phils I have been saving this one up. I haven't seen her in a long time On the same disk, While My Guitar Gently Weeps by Eric Clapton will also be played.

I've been on hold listening to my own music. Other than a few disks to test out the new Denon Link connection I've been saving it for the Philharmonics. I'm looking forward to rediscovering what I have.

Well, I spent 3 days trying to download AirPlay, but could not, so Marantz is sending me another, the phils are waiting again!!!
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Nope those three on the left are yours and the "unstained" ones are mine jut stained very lightly. Maple was a bit too blonde for my significant other so a couple shades darker was in order.

I received another photo, I'll post when back on my computer. They're lacquered and looking great.

It turns out the SB woofer is a tad bit larger than the Scan.

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The 2nd.

Yes, i'm already checking for updates.

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Go to trackthis.com and sign up, let them do the checking for you.

Thanks man! I have it set up with my Facebook and my Cell. Figured E-mail would be overkill.

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Listen to "Woods" by Bon Iver, (No relation) LOL!

Throughout the whole song I was waiting for the next set of lyrics. They never arrived. I felt like a Titanic surviver waiting for the damn RMS Carpathia!! :P

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Congrats, Monkish! We expect a full set of pictures followed by a review.

Thank you very much, Nuance!

I will take a plethora of pictures.

As for a review, I may not be as eloquent as some of my fellow AVS members but i'll do what I can. I have listened to quite a few very expensive and IMO great sounding loudspeakers (E.g. Salon 2, KEF Blade, KEF 201/2, TAD CR1, Pioneer S-1EX etc.) While a direct comparison is not valid (nor possible) as I listened in different rooms at different times, I can say whether the Philharmonic 2 gives me an experience that is equally enjoyable to that of the other speakers.

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Been listening to a lot of music lately and it is such a blast ....but i am running out of flac good quality music , where do you guys buy /download good quality music ?

BTW i bought a center channel (NHT TwoC) and when i play Phils in just stereo mode , 90% of the people walk up to the center to chek if its off ..no one beleives sound is not coming from the center channel ...its amazing
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The 2nd.

Yes, i'm already checking for updates.

Great choice, Monkish. Many congrats. Enjoy, man.

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Great choice, Monkish. Many congrats. Enjoy, man.

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Been listening to a lot of music lately and it is such a blast ....but i am running out of flac good quality music , where do you guys buy /download good quality music ?

BTW i bought a center channel (NHT TwoC) and when i play Phils in just stereo mode , 90% of the people walk up to the center to chek if its off ..no one beleives sound is not coming from the center channel ...its amazing

They are right about that one, I swear there is music coming from the center, I have to get up and check occasionally to see if I have the Marantz in Pure Direct Mode.

Hey make your own convert to FLAC! I don't download a lot of music, my son sends me most of what I have, unless I am listening to Pandora or Grooveshark.com.

The sound is so astounding, so much that I constantly notice the nuances, (not you Brandon), in the movies, evening the streaming that I never noticed before.

Can't wait till I get the new marantz in, hopefully this one will work properly, and run audyssey properly. Even without it, I was amazed what a good match the Marantz and Phils are!!!
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