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I am requesting advice on a new mini home theater speaker system.

I am not a fan of the HTIB's but have come to realize that my room (and WAF) do not allow the bookshelf speaker's either.

Please provide your advice based on the following inputs:
- Small sized speakers
- 10' H x 13' B x 16' L Living room opening into the kitchen
- Wall mount preferred
- Budget of $700 (with another $300 - $400 for AVR)
- Clarity (dialogue and music) comes as the top priority
- Sensitivity / Freq response comes in as second priority
- Bass (thump and low freq) blending is third priority

From the research I have done, the choices are as mentioned below (not in any particular order):

HSU Performance 2:
http://hsuresearch.com/products/performance2.html

Klipsch Quintet SL:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...D=wzozsppcw2n7

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Polk Blackstone TL250 / TL 2600 (with Sub)
TL250:
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TL2...2891982&sr=1-2
TL2600:
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TL2...2891982&sr=1-1

Polk Blackstone TL350:
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-TL350-5-0...2892069&sr=1-2

However I haven't been able to audition "apples to apples" in any of the AV stores near to my area and am solely depending on the advices being provided here.
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Hi AVS Forum !!!

Any suggestions ?
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See if you can find a set of kef eggs used
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Thank You stran69.

I am not allowed to post URL's yet. (EDIT: Allowed now)

I did a search and came up with the KEF KHT1005.2GB 5.1 Subwoofer Satellite System with KUBE-1 (Gloss Black) in Amazon for $382.xx
http://www.amazon.com/KEF-KHT1005-2G...pr_product_top

Do you have or heard these ?
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Just be advised about one thing (which you likely already know, but...)...I have yet to see a freq response plot on a set of "satelite" speakers that can hold a candle to speakers with 4 inch drivers or bigger. You won't get full range sound with 2 or 3 inch drivers...

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
Set up #3: JBL130, JBL120C and Klipsch synergy sub
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Just be advised about one thing (which you likely already know, but...)...I have yet to see a freq response plot on a set of "satelite" speakers that can hold a candle to speakers with 4 inch drivers or bigger. You won't get full range sound with 2 or 3 inch drivers...

Thx Elihawk.

So, does this mean that none of the choices given above will give me a decent sound as compared to a bookshelf ?

If that is the case, I am willing to pick up this fight with .... and try and push for "good looking" bookshelf speakers.

Any suggestions ?
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I have a different ver of the kef but for small setups I liked the most I now have kef q900 which are floor standers as my mains with eggs as surrounds
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I think you can get decent freq response from satelites, but not good. I will defer to experts in this group... but I have yet to see a freq resp from small satellites that didn't have gaps and usually not very flat.
Maybe a good compromise...some decent size bookshelves (with matching center) for the front L-C-R and then some wireless surround satellite for the rear. That way, no wires running to the back of the room and small speakers in the back..

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
Set up #3: JBL130, JBL120C and Klipsch synergy sub
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Thanks for the suggestion Elihawk. This might become the strongest point in the pending argument with ....

Any suggestions for the "bookshelf" L-C-R and the wireless surround ?

From some other threads I see :
Polk Audio Monitor 40 : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1vs8q7xi1ndj5
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Polk Audio CS1 Series II :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1am5atnmi06jr
as the suggestions. Do you think these will be good enough ? Are these wall mountable ?
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I was going to suggest the Polks...great price, although I have not heard them. People on this forum say the Polks are a very good speaker for the dollar.
Wall mountable? Not sure how the Polk M40s, but technically, anything is wall mountable with the right hardware. How about these...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ALAQLAKJ574UN

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
Set up #3: JBL130, JBL120C and Klipsch synergy sub
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I was going to suggest the Polks...great price, although I have not heard them. People on this forum say the Polks are a very good speaker for the dollar.
Wall mountable? Not sure how the Polk M40s, but technically, anything is wall mountable with the right hardware. How about these...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=ALAQLAKJ574UN

Wow!...I think you just ruled out the WAF. I am sure she is going to appreciate the looks (although I am not so sure about my wallet - $400 a piece is substantially more than what I had in mind - Does not mean that I am ruling this out).

Are you suggesting these for L / R as well as for CC ?
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If you are going to consider those Definitive Technology speakers, you might as well consider these guys http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20024736-47.html ($1750 for the set incl the sub) from same guy who founded Polk and Def Tech.

The clarity of these speakers is beyond most satellite or other wall mountable systems due to the advanced tweeter.

So what is your budget exactly?

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For a tight budget with good sound and wall mountable - NHT
Good with voices and music.
http://www.nhthifi.com/bookshelf-spe...&category=3830
http://www.nhthifi.com/

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If you are going to consider those Definitive Technology speakers, you might as well consider these guys http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20024736-47.html ($1750 for the set incl the sub) from same guy who founded Polk and Def Tech.

The clarity of these speakers is beyond most satellite or other wall mountable systems due to the advanced tweeter.

So what is your budget exactly?

I am looking at $1000 to $1100 for the total experience ( 5.1 + AVR)

EDIT: So leaving ~ $300 for the AVR, I am looking at $700 to $800 bucks for the 5.1 speaker system
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The Monitor Audio Radius 225, is also real good and wall mountable
http://www.saturdayaudio.com/picture...s_closeout.htm
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/suppo...rch_highlight1

And I would look at Martin Logan - the word through the grapevine, is that
Paradigm had a hand in the design. Also sold at Newegg
http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-ML.../dp/B0049P2000

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There is an excellent option...the Monitor Radius speaker looks very good (haven't heard them), is half the price of the Def Tech. Get a three for L-C-R and either wait with surrounds or get some cheaper ones to start with an upgrade later...I would budget for a sub woofer pretty soon, if watching movies is a priority.

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
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Set up #3: JBL130, JBL120C and Klipsch synergy sub
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There is an excellent option...the Monitor Radius speaker looks very good (haven't heard them), is half the price of the Def Tech. Get a three for L-C-R and either wait with surrounds or get some cheaper ones to start with an upgrade later...I would budget for a sub woofer pretty soon, if watching movies is a priority.

Thanks zieglj01 and Elihawk.

Has anyone heard the MA Radius 225's ?

What Sub should I pair up these with ? The Radius 720 states that it has a "paper cone" woofer (...Bose like ???)
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Thanks zieglj01 and Elihawk.

Has anyone heard the MA Radius 225's ?

What Sub should I pair up these with ? The Radius 720 states that it has a "paper cone" woofer (...Bose like ???)

I like the Radius better than NHT

A paper woofer, does not mean bad sound.

I would look at the Emotiva Ultra 12
http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub12.shtm

And the HSU
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1.html

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OK. I apologize that I made a general assumption about paper woofers, without having much background.

Since you are suggesting the HSU VTF-1 as the Sub, I was wondering if i should also look at the Ventriloquist VT-12 as a "complete" solution from HSU ?
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OK. I apologize that I made a general assumption about paper woofers, without having much background.

Since you are suggesting the HSU VTF-1 as the Sub, I was wondering if i should also look at the Ventriloquist VT-12 as a "complete" solution from HSU ?

The speakers/sats, do not need to be the same brand as the subwoofer.
Your choice - however, I prefer that the woofers in the speakers, be at
least 4" or larger.

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The speakers/sats, do not need to be the same brand as the subwoofer.
Your choice - however, I prefer that the woofers in the speakers, be at
least 4" or larger.

OK. Thanks for the tip.

Any suggestions for the rear satellites ?

Will the Polk M30 Series II blend acoustically well with this set up ?
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Any suggestions for the rear satellites ?

Will the Polk M30 Series II blend acoustically well with this set up ?

The main thing is for the front 3 speakers to timbre (voice) match.
If you listen to surround music - then it would be better for all 5
to timbre match.

If you are mainly HT - then a different brand is OK. If you can deal
with the difference in box appearance, and is WAF approved, then
Polk is OK. I like the SuperZero - NHT
http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-spe...&category=3772

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Good point. Its not just about Acoustics. Aesthetics is also important.

Did you mean to point to the Absolute zeros http://www.nhthifi.com/Absolute-Zero...&category=3776 instead of the Super Zero ?

Are you suggesting this for the rear surrounds or as a set of 5 speakers ?
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Did you mean to point to the Absolute zeros instead of the Super Zero ?

Are you suggesting this for the rear surrounds or as a set of 5 speakers ?

I meant to reccomend the SuperZeros as surrounds - I edited my post.

The 5.1 SuperZero is a good system for those who want small - however,
to me the Monitor Audio Radius 225 is better than NHT - and the NHT is
still a good one. Your choice - you should be happy with either one.

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I took some time to think (research - read and read and read) over this topic and have narrowed to the following (should say that I am thoroughly confused now). Please suggest which is better with respect to sound quality:

Ascend HTM 200SE (5 pcs in 5.0 configuration) + BIC Sub :
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...00/htm200.html
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...ource=googleps

or
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NHT Super Surround 5.1:
http://www.nhthifi.com/bookshelf-spe...&category=3830

or
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Infinity - P152 + Infinity - Primus C350 + BIC Sub:
http://www.electronics-expo.com/make...ty/P152/1.html
http://www.electronics-expo.com/inde...&source=google
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...ource=googleps

or
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JBL ES20BK + JBL ES25CBK + JBL ES250PBK:
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20BK-3-W...=5336055023-20
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES25CBK-Ce..._bxgy_e_text_b
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES250PBK-4..._bxgy_e_text_c
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